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What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

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  • #31
    Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

    OK, I'll play. And I'll answer the question as it is written. The question which NBA head coaches are worse than Jim O'Brien. That is considerably different than which are doing a worse job this season . So I am taking into account Jim O'Brien overall as a coach, not just this season . if you want to me to address that, I will.

    If I were putting together a complete list I would group probably 8-9 coaches in elite, good, excellent, bad, type categories, I'll repeat something I say often, I don't haveto agee with a coachs system to think hes a good coach. Personally i'm not a big fan of the triangle offense and that doesn't mean Phil isn't a great coach

    These 8 coaches are worse than JOB - in no particular order
    Kiki Vandeweighe
    Eddie Jordan
    Joh Kuester
    Kurt Rambis
    Paul Westphal
    Alvin Gentry
    Vinny Del Negro
    Don Nelson

    These 8 are either too close to call, or coaches that I just don't know enough about
    Mike D'Antoni
    Jay Triano
    Woodson - his halfcourt ofense should be better
    Erik Spoelstra - I like his defense, but they are so inconsistant
    Flip Saunders
    Jeff Bower - not enough info
    Dunleavy
    Lionel Hollins

    OK, that leaves these 13 as better - and if you can get any of these to replac JOB that would be fine with me
    Brown
    Phil jackson
    Sloan
    Popovich\
    Skiles
    - in fact IMO those are the 5 best coaches in the game today
    Karl
    Mike Brown
    Doc Rivers
    Stan van Gundy
    Scott Brooks
    Carlisle
    Adelman
    Nate McMillan
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-27-2010, 11:53 PM.

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    • #32
      Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

      Is there any other coach that is out of the playoffs and not playing the younger guys?

      If not, there isn't one. JOB's decision making doesn't make sense. At all. He seems desperate and stuck in his stupid ways.

      I will say, for me, I'm judging Jim for this season. Because that's all I've seen of him. He just seems like he doesn't know what he's doing.
      Last edited by Sookie; 02-27-2010, 11:52 PM.

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      • #33
        Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

        I actually agree with you Buck. Not that's a surprise. I just appreciate the way you stick to your guns.

        Now for this season alone? JOb's rotations are extremely suspect.

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        • #34
          Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

          For those of you judging coaches by what they show on TNT, ESPN in the huddles when they are wired - you do realize those are heavily edited, they don't air any negative comments about opposing players and they never ever air the coaches calling players, diagramming plays. so I wouldnt judge any coach this way because they all say the same things in what we hear, but that is maybe 25% of what they actually say in a huddle

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          • #35
            Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
            Is there any other coach that is out of the playoffs and not playing the younger guys?
            I was thinking about that the other day and I don't have the energy to research that question, but it is an excellent question. My off the top of my head guess - I suspect those coaches play some of the young guys but not all of the youg guys
            Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-27-2010, 11:55 PM.

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            • #36
              Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              OK, I'll play. And I'll answer the question as it is written. The question which NBA head coaches are worse than Jim O'Brien.
              I was expecting you to come up with a list with about 29 names on it with various comments for each one why Jim O'Brien could be considered better....

              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #37
                Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                I was thinking about that the other day and I don't have the energy to research that question, but it is an excellent question. My off the top of my head guess - I suspect those coaches play some of the young guys but not all of the youg guys


                Nets: yeah they suck but are playing everybody.

                Minnesota: They are playing everybody, must of their players are young.

                Golden State: playing everybody(they only have eight players)

                Sacramento: they also play all their young players for long periods.

                Indiana: they play with a team "that gives them a better chance to win"

                Clippers: they play their young players but their team is built of veterans.

                Washington: they don't have a real team righ now, they are playing everybody.

                New York: they are playing everybody who is part of the future(three players)

                Detroit: they are maybe in the same boat with the pacers, they keep playing Prince and Hamilton and don't give much playing time to the young players

                Philadelphia: they are not that young anymore

                Memphis:they are playing everybody

                Houston: they play everybody

                Note: this are all from the top of mi head.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #38
                  Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I was thinking about that the other day and I don't have the energy to research that question, but it is an excellent question. My off the top of my head guess - I suspect those coaches play some of the young guys but not all of the youg guys

                  I did this pretty quickly, basically, I looked at the standings, figured out which teams were definitely out of the playoffs:

                  Detroit, Washington, NY, Indiana, New Jersey, Philly

                  Clippers, sacremento, Golden state, Minnesota

                  I knew, Minny, Golden State, and Sacremento were playing their "kids"

                  So then I just looked at the box score in a close game to see who got minutes.

                  All of the teams, except us, were giving their "kids" (however much they had) playing time.

                  Only exception is that the clippers and philly have a few young players that aren't playing that much, because they have young players playing the same position that they want to play more.


                  Bottom line. No other team, in our position, is doing what we are doing. Specifically giving the majority of the minutes to players the organization doesn't even want, and has been clear about that. Instead of developing the players they do want.

                  And honestly, at some point, if Bird doesn't step in, it's partly Bird's fault too.

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                  • #39
                    Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                    You have to look to see if the coaches are playing different players than they did earlier in the year. It isn't a fair comparison if the coach has been playing the young guys all season like JOB has with Roy and Rush, or if the teams best players are young guys or if the only healthy players are young guys. are any of those teams not playing any of their young guys - that is a better question

                    I'm calling your research into question.
                    we can't even agre with who the "young guys" are
                    Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-28-2010, 12:18 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                      It just amazes me how some people can still "defend/justify" JOB. Point blank, he's not the coach that we need for this team.


                      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                      • #41
                        Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                        It just amazes me how some people can still "defend/justify" JOB. Point blank, he's not the coach that we need for this team.
                        That doesn't mean he's the worst coach in the NBA though.

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                        • #42
                          Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                          Originally posted by cdash View Post
                          That doesn't mean he's the worst coach in the NBA though.
                          No, but let him be bad with someone else's team.


                          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          • #43
                            Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                            No, but let him be bad with someone else's team.
                            I don't disagree, and I think everyone knows it at this point. But there is a difference in him needing to go and being the worst coach in the league.

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                            • #44
                              Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                              It just amazes me how some people can still "defend/justify" JOB. Point blank, he's not the coach that we need for this team.
                              What is the question in the thread title. Is the question: is JOB the coach that we need for this team? That is not the question. So I was not in any way addresing whether he is what we need for this team. As I said in my post, I am addressng/answering the question as it is stated.

                              Edit: let me add this every coach I listed in my post and I mean every coach on the list of 13 who IMo are better than JOB receive heavy and ponted criticism from their home fans. Every single one of them
                              Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-28-2010, 09:18 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Re: What Other NBA Coaches Are Worse Than JO'B?

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                yeah but at least he puts the players in the right position, I have not seen a line up with Rose as power forward or anything like that.
                                Most of the 2nd half of last nights Bulls/Pacers affair contradicts your statement. Del Negro had 4 point guards and a power forward (Rose, Heinrich, Flip & Pargo w/ T. Gibson) on the floor during long stretches bridging the 3rd and 4th quarter.
                                ...Still "flying casual"
                                @roaminggnome74

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