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Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

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  • #16
    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

    I know that this team s**** (I can't say that word anymore)and that is the one reason people expect Rush to be the answer, they guy is the best defender on the team he does all the small things you need from a player to win the game but people keeps giving him crap, his number are not that bad for a second player either, Rush at worst could be a nice young rotational player for years to come, why that is so bad?
    Last edited by vnzla81; 02-20-2010, 11:11 AM.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #17
      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
      (and I was a guy happy about the upgrade from Rush to Henderson even)
      Upgrade? Yeah right. That's debateable. I think Rush is better than that. Defensively they may be in the same class, but I don't think Henderson is much more than Dahntay offensively.
      "man, PG has been really good."

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      • #18
        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        The putting of Rush in a trade says:

        A) Bird missed judged Rush's talent when he went for a "NBA ready" pick.

        B) TPTB have come to the conclusion Rush is never going to be the starting SG they wanted for the future.

        C) That Rush is not Jimmy's type player.

        D) That Jimmy will be the coach most of next season if not all of the season.

        E) It shows another failed pick by Bird. Lets hope Tyler isn't ANOTHER one.
        C & D
        I'm not perfect and neither are you.

        Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
        Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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        • #19
          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

          I don't think they misjudged his talent, but maybe his phychie.

          Pacers hoped for a Type A personality & got a Type B.

          Thing is, I'm not sure Rush won't change some (as he did at Kansas) as he becomes a "vet" he will become more "Type A". IMO he just needs a leader to mentor him. We do not have that locker room gut. Maybe Foster was for Hibby, but Danny is not that for Brandon.
          "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
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          • #20
            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            As to Ford my guess is he was probably ready to get out of this nuthouse and away from this coach.

            Well that is until he realized that Larry Brown would have been his next coach. That would have been fun to see.

            However again I want to actually in all honesty show some admiration for the way that Ford has handled everything this year. He is not really a good point guard at all but to go from starter to 12th man would take its toll on anyone and I can tell you from sitting near the bench and watching him that the guy never once pouted or stood away from the team. He usually was the first person to greet the players coming off of the floor and he was always telling Price things whenever he would go by him.

            Think what you will of him as a player but as a team mate I would have to say that at least in public view you could not ask for much better than that.
            I agree, as much as I don't like him as a point guard, he seems like a pretty nice guy, and a pretty good teammate. He seems to make an effort to talk to and encourage the younger guys. Wasn't it TJ that took Hans out for "soul food" earlier this year?

            And although JOB has a preference for TJ, and TJ hasn't performed well, he has been in Jim's bipolar system (now you're playing, now you aren't) shuffle too. And that's hard on any player.

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            • #21
              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

              I think Rush could thrive as a complimentary player after Indiana adds some talent. He's never going to be "the man" on a team as far as scoring loads of points every game. He's the guy that makes the other team pay when he gets an opening from the team focusing on options 1 and 2. He's the guy that plays tough defense every game. He was never known for gunning a bunch of shots and being your primary scoring option. I personally really like Rush and think it would be a mistake to get rid of him right now. He could be a terrific asset down the road. If we rated defensive effort and skill, where would he rate among players on this team? There's more to basketball than scoring points. If you can prevent the other team from scoring, that's just as important.

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              • #22
                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                By Mike Wells
                Posted: February 20, 2010



                Thursday's proposed deal shows that the Pacers aren't sure if Rush, one of the most talented players on the roster, fits into their future plans. Rush has had an up-and-down first two seasons. His inconsistent play has frustrated many in the organization.
                REALLY.....ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER????? ummmm.......maybe Mike Wells has been hanging out with JOB...
                I CANT SPELL!

                THERE ARE THOSE THAT HAVE AND THOSE THAT WILL!

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                • #23
                  Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                  So I guess if you look at the trade that almost was it's basically trade TJ's contract and Rush for one unproven physical specimen and two decent backups. Or, taking out financials all together, Rush for the other three.

                  My guess is that Rush will ultimately be better than all three of them. We have a lot of good role players and backups around as is. From that standpoint I'm glad we skipped it. I just can't forsee Augustin as anything more than a career backup.

                  I guess that means I'm okay that it didn't transpire. Sort of.
                  I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                  -Emiliano Zapata

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                  • #24
                    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                    Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                    I am actually VERY surprised that Rush was going to be a part of a trade such as was proposed.. I mean I could halfway see it , if we offered him in a trade with tj or murph only IF it netted us a VERY good young player who is already on his way to borderline starter/all-star.. But COME ON!!..
                    I just do not understand the logic.. Hell Rush is already ON HIS WAY to one day making the All Defensive Squad... Seriously if he keeps it up I can envision it one day...
                    His defense is damn good for only being a 2nd year player.. Not to mention he is already probably our top on-man defender..

                    I really think it was a "vote of no confidence" by the Pacer's Front Office in Rush...
                    And quite frankly, I don't think Rush deserves it.. and the flak that JOB talks out the side of his mouth about him..

                    Sure he may have been overly passive the 1st half of the season.. but COME ON!!! this is only his 2nd year !! (restating AGAIN!)

                    I really hope that this doesn't affect Brandon's fragile personality

                    I was half being sarcastic/ half serious on that last line.. cause if I were him, I would be kinda hurt that my team has no confidence in me and wants to trade me after
                    only 1 and 1/2 season from being drafted by them...

                    I think for a 2nd year player he is coming along just fine.. I mean sure I wish he had become more assertive/consistant sooner and earlier on the offensive end.. but you couldn't ask more from him on defense as a 1 and 1/2 year player..


                    I really think Bird and co. fumbled the ball with Rush on this one.. Let's hope not...

                    .
                    Why does everyone assume that because some guy is mentioned in trade discussion that it means that "we" or "TPTB" don't think he's good enough?
                    Want something of value? You usually have to give up something of value.
                    Apparently many here think other teams should send us quality for our scrap.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                      Originally posted by MLB007 View Post


                      Want something of value? You usually have to give up something of value.
                      Apparently many here think other teams should send us quality for our scrap.

                      This great "something of value" you are talking about that Charlotte has is a seldom used rookie and a 2nd year PG of which neither is getting much PT. To me that says a lot about how they feel about Rush and his future with the Pacers!

                      JMO, but I'd say Rush's days are #ed as a Pacer. He's trade filler to make a future trade happen.
                      Last edited by Justin Tyme; 02-20-2010, 01:05 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                        The putting of Rush in a trade says:

                        A) Bird missed judged Rush's talent when he went for a "NBA ready" pick.

                        B) TPTB have come to the conclusion Rush is never going to be the starting SG they wanted for the future.

                        E) It shows another failed pick by Bird. Lets hope Tyler isn't ANOTHER one.

                        How do you figure any of this?

                        Including a player in a trade -- especially having him on a short side of a 2-for-3 deal -- suggests his value is recognized by both his own team and the other one.


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                        It all dries up and blows away
                        I'd hang around just to see
                        But they never had much use for me
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                        • #27
                          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                          I spite of how well Brandon's done lately, plus being a very good defender, for the balance of the year he was a shooting guard that didn't shoot. Hopefully, he can use this as some motivation to prove that he belongs instead of going back into the shell...
                          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                          • #28
                            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                            I really get tired of comments like this.... How naive do you have to be.
                            "I was definitely more shocked than anything," Rush said. "I didn't see it coming. Nobody told me anything about being on the trade block. It was more of a shock."
                            To me this trade was all about Fords contract than Rush's inability to play for the Pacers.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                              I'm glad this trade did not go down. I would be very disappointed with the direction of the franchise if we got rid of a promising player like Rush just to save some money.

                              Rush will be gone, eventually. It will be kind of a shame because I am a fan of Brandon, but I won't judge until I see what we get back.

                              DJ Augustin is a career backup, undersized PG. Gerald Henderson doesn't even look big enough to be an NBA player. People love to crow about how these guys are "prospects" but they're lipstick on a pig when it comes to the attractiveness of this trade.
                              Last edited by idioteque; 02-20-2010, 03:09 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                                I don't see how this could be a shock for anyone. TPTB have been sending out signals on this for the past month.
                                This space for rent.

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