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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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How to tell your getting old

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  • #16
    Re: How to tell your getting old

    Originally posted by GuffeyRay View Post
    Youngsters! Now if they were discussing Wilt or Russell and you could remember seeing them play, you damn well know you are old.

    That's what I hear, but I refuse to believe it. Wilt was the better player, he just didn't have the supporting cast Russell did to win the Championships Russell won.

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    • #17
      Re: How to tell your getting old

      I said it in another thread... I've seen them both play plenty and it's not particularly close. MJ easy. Even if you hadn't seen them, the accolades aren't even near the same level either.

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      • #18
        Re: How to tell your getting old

        Wilt and Shaq are (were) about equal from the free throw line. I'm old, I remember Wilt towards the end of his career standing at the top of the key to shoot free throws underhanded.
        “It is what we learn after we know it all that really counts” - John Wooden

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        • #19
          Re: How to tell your getting old

          Originally posted by dlewyus View Post
          Wilt and Shaq are (were) about equal from the free throw line. I'm old, I remember Wilt towards the end of his career standing at the top of the key to shoot free throws underhanded.

          Rick Barry style, and Wilt was still a poor FT shooter.

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          • #20
            Re: How to tell your getting old

            How to tell your getting old?

            If you're old enough to forget your middle school lessons on "your" and "you're."





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            • #21
              Re: How to tell your getting old

              Originally posted by Graham Mernatsi View Post
              How to tell your getting old?

              If you're old enough to forget your middle school lessons on "your" and "you're."





              In that case, pretty much everybody is "old."

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              • #22
                Re: How to tell your getting old

                Kobe will have a superior career to Lebron when all is said and done.

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                • #23
                  Re: How to tell your getting old

                  Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                  Kobe will have a superior career to Lebron when all is said and done.
                  It certainly helps playing in L.A. as opposed to Cleveland.

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                  • #24
                    Re: How to tell your getting old

                    Originally posted by Shade View Post
                    It certainly helps playing in L.A. as opposed to Cleveland.

                    That made it true, but it helped Jordan that he played in Chicago over a small market (like Portland, who could have drafted him). Or it helped Magic that like Kobe, he too played in L.A. And Larry Bird in Boston....and the list could go on and on......

                    Many legends have had the benefits of being in large markets. Kobe is making the most of the good fortune of being a Los Angeles Laker.

                    Lebron should go to New York City. Lebron plus New York market is going to equal success pretty quickly. Add Lebron to the Knicks right now and they are a 50+ win team, I don't care who is on the roster. Anywhere Lebron goes at this point, he wins.
                    Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-08-2009, 11:58 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: How to tell your getting old

                      Bushy eyebrows? Nose hair?
                      {o,o}
                      |)__)
                      -"-"-

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                      • #26
                        Re: How to tell your getting old

                        When your favorite pro basketball team you enjoyed watching was the Indianapolis Kautskys.

                        http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?ti...polis_Kautskys

                        http://www.tribstar.com/archivesearc...040200524.html

                        Historical Perspective: George Chestnut and pioneer pro basketball in Indiana By Mick McCormick
                        Special to the Tribune-Star

                        TERRE HAUTE —
                        The owner of a small family-operated grocery story on Madison Avenue on the southside of Indianapolis, Frank H. Kautsky was a sports enthusiast.

                        Kautsky especially loved baseball, a sport he played at the semi-pro level until he was 37 years old in 1926.

                        Frank knew nothing about basketball until Paul “Pete” Bailey, a former Indiana Central College (now the University of Indianapolis) star invited him to watch a pickup game at an Indianapolis elementary school in 1930.

                        As the two men left the school together that evening, Kautsky asked Bailey if he could organize an independent amateur basketball team. The grocer offered to buy uniforms for the players and provide sponsorship as the “Kautsky Athletic Club.”

                        Bailey agreed, recruiting former players from Indiana Central, Butler and Indiana University. Frank was extremely happy with the white jerseys Bailey designed with blue letters on the front spelling “Kautskys.” Later that year Kautsky’s squad piled into a giant Chrysler two or three nights each week to visit gyms around Indianapolis for games against opponents, including barnstorming women’s teams such as the Hoosier Demons or the Red Silk Girls Club.

                        Meanwhile, Kautsky began scouring the Midwest to find better players.

                        In December 1931, the Kautskys won the Indianapolis Gold Medal basketball tournament sponsored by the Central States Basketball Association, beating Bond Bread, the perennial favorite, in the championship game, 20-11. Then they captured the Indiana independent basketball title in 1932 by edging Bond Bread in two overtimes.

                        The next year (1932-33), the grocer decided to make the Kautskys a professional team, playing home games on the second floor of the National Guard Armory on North Pennsylvania Street. Abe Goldsmith, who made basketball goals and operated a retail supply store, became the team’s business manager.

                        The decision to go professional was made easier when a three-time All-American from Purdue who was teaching English and coaching basketball in Dayton, Ky., spurned more lucrative offers to play in Indianapolis.

                        John Wooden was a hot basketball property but the country was in the midst of a depression and pro basketball was a risky profession. Several pro leagues, including the American Basketball League with the Fort Wayne Hoosiers among its constituents, folded at the end of the 1931-32 season.

                        Wooden opted to play basketball in Indianapolis while keeping his teaching and coaching job, which paid $2,000 annually. Kautsky paid him $50 a game plus expenses.

                        A second income during those bleak times enticed Charles “Stretch” Murphy, Wooden’s 6-foot-7 teammate at Purdue; Clarence Christopher, a former 6-foot-7 center at IU; and Branch McCracken, another former Hoosier star, to join him.

                        The players liked Kautsky. “He was a very, very wonderful person for whom to play,” Wooden reminisced a few years ago. “And he loved the sport. You always had your money in cash in an envelope after every game. Sometimes there was a little extra in there.”

                        Kautsky’s team was so good that there was little competition nearby. One exception was the Akron Firestone Non-Skids, coached by Paul Sheeks, recreation director of Firestone Tire and the former Wabash College basketball coach.

                        After a career in pro baseball, Roy Burris — the great Indiana State Teachers College athlete — was an accountant for Firestone in Akron and a top player for the Non-Skids.

                        Kautsky and Sheeks concocted a schedule for the new National Basketball League, consisting of pro teams from Indiana and Ohio. The circuit eventually included the Akron Goodyears, Toledo Crimson Coaches, Fort Wayne Chiefs, Kokomo Kelts, South Bend Guardsmen, Muncie Whys and, for awhile, the Lorain (Ohio) Fisher Foods.

                        The Non-Skids won the 1932-33 title but the Kautskys gave them a battle, losing in Indianapolis, 32-31, before 4,000, despite Wooden’s 21 points.

                        Most teams in the 1932-33 National Basketball League could not survive the Depression. Not many statistical records endured either. The following year the Kautskys — already considered among the premier pro basketball teams in the nation — played independent and barnstorming teams, usually on weekends at sites close enough to permit players to return to their jobs on Monday. Yet it was tough duty.

                        Opponents included the legendary barnstorming professionals from the East, such as the New York Renaissance, also known as the “Harlem Rens,” and the New York Celtics.

                        Kautsky added Helms Foundation All America Frank Baird of Butler and Indiana State center George Chestnut, one of the state’s top collegiate scorers for two seasons, to the roster in 1933-34. A three-sport star (football, basketball and baseball) from Odon in Daviess County, Chestnut gave up collegiate athletics during his senior year to become a pro.

                        Bill Perigo of Delphi and Western Michigan, Marshall Tackett of Butler and Leroy “Cowboy” Edwards, the Kentucky All American from Indianapolis, played for the Kautskys from 1933 to 1935. During 1934-35, the team had a 15-game winning streak.

                        In late 1935 Sheeks and Kautsky collaborated to found the Midwest Basketball Conference, considered a predecessor of the National Basketball Association, which was founded after World War II. The Kautskys won the West Division, which included the Chicago Duffy Florals, Detroit Hed-Aids, Indianapolis U.S. Tires and the Windsor Cooper Blues. “Cowboy” Edwards played for the U.S. Tires.

                        During one stretch in the 1935-36 season, Wooden hit 134 straight free throws. Joining the Kautskys that year was former Butler captain Searle T. “Cy” Proffitt of Lebanon, then coaching at Spencer High School but later a popular Terre Haute teacher, coach and school administrator. So did Bob Kessler, Big Ten Player of the Year at Purdue.

                        The Firestone Non-Skids won the East Division of the MBC in 1936 over the Pittsburgh YMHAs, Buffalo Bison and the Dayton Metropolitans. The Duffy Florals were the surprise playoff winner. Using “tricky passwork,” the New York Rens defeated the Kautskys at the former Indiana State gym on Tuesday, Feb. 16, 1937. Proffitt and rookie John Miklozek, the 6-foot-6 former Wiley and Indiana State star, joined Chestnut in the Kautskys lineup.

                        Next Saturday, on the 71st anniversary of that game, Chestnut will be inducted into the ISU Athletic Hall of Fame posthumously during ceremonies at the Ohio Street Building at 670 Ohio St. Sycamore legends Brian Dorsett (baseball), Chris Hicks (football), Julie Koebcke (track) and John Sherman Williams (basketball) also will be enshrined.
                        Last edited by RamBo_Lamar; 12-09-2009, 10:07 AM. Reason: additional info

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                        • #27
                          Re: How to tell your getting old

                          Besides the nose and ear hair growing like corn , I can remember a young Julius Erving swooping in and smoothly dunking on people.

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                          • #28
                            Re: How to tell your getting old

                            Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
                            Besides the nose and ear hair growing like corn , I can remember a young Julius Erving swooping in and smoothly dunking on people.
                            Hell yes!!!!
                            http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                            "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                            • #29
                              Re: How to tell your getting old

                              Originally posted by Graham Mernatsi View Post
                              How to tell your getting old?

                              If you're old enough to forget your middle school lessons on "your" and "you're."



                              Better yet then and than. Grrr

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                              • #30
                                Re: How to tell your getting old

                                When you can remember the indiana pacers having a winning season

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