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I like competitive Danny...a lot

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  • I like competitive Danny...a lot

    This was originally going in the Sixers thread but it evolved. Did we win that Sixers game? The post-game thread certainly doesn't reflect that. Did Danny punch someone in the face? Because the post-game thread certainly reflects that.

    Honestly, it's becoming borderline unbearable to me how we treat Danny. The man is playing hurt, he's leading the team, he is the only Pacer save TJ and Obie that seems to care about winning and losing, and we're complaining.

    Obviously he sees the writing on the wall - his teammates aren't going to stay healthy/play through pain and just don't care as much as he does about the team's overall success. And as a result, we are slowly playing ourselves out of playoff contention. You wouldn't be getting frustrated?

    What bothers me even more is that if Danny wasn't getting bothered by this, we'd still be complaining. Then we'd be complaining about a lack of fire. How do I know? Because that's what happened last year on this board. It seems Danny flipped a switch this year. He's stepped his game, mentally, emotionally, and physically. That's as much as any of us could have asked of him.

    We have one of the top players in the league on our team. And he hates losing to boot! Even better, he feels connected to this franchise to the point that he can't take losing. Toronto has a guy like Chris Bosh who hates losing so much that he is going to leave Toronto in two years to win more/demand a trade before that. Unfortunately, we seemed to have stumbled upon a Reggie Miller type determined to make this franchise a winner.

    My god, what is up with us? Are we the most cynical fanbase there is at this point? Did the brawl really screw us that badly? Guys, let's enjoy our star player. It's ok. Yes, he's a star and yes, he's going to act like it. Thank God. Why? Because if he doesn't stand up for his team and his franchise, nobody else will. And I think people will respect him more, not less, for this.

    And I'm sure Danny knows of his defensive short-comings as well. I just feel like in this system, a player has to decide where to focus their energy. Danny (or Obie) has chosen offense for him, I guess. Considering our lack of go-to scorers, I'm ok with that. The problem I have is that Obie basically forces our guys to make that choice.

    I don't mean this against a particular poster or group of poster. It's just my own two cents about this situation. I was fortunate enough to see the Pacers in person a couple of weeks ago for the first time in a year or so and my perception of Danny changed. In person, he is such a warrior. He did not look even 80% healthy but he stepped up and took/hit the big shots (Caron just made one more) when the rest of team behaved like the ball was a hot potato. More impressively for me, his body reacted with every positive and negative part of the game. At points, it was like watching Jordan out there, staring down Jack for letting Butler abuse him, high-fiving Jack for hitting a three in the corner, etc. And Danny is not JO. When crunch time came, he took - and hit - the big shots and he guarded Caron. He blamed himself for the failure to cover Caron on that last shot much more than he did anybody else that night. You win championships with guys like this (Danny) as your number one or number two guys.

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    Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

    I love Danny, I just wish he would have handled last night differently. I'd rather he do what my example in the other thread on how Lebron handled it.

    I think we can still make observations about certain aspects of his game or him, but still really be thankful for him. That Boston tooth crushing incident is one of the top 3 toughest things I have seen a player do in my life.

    Danny still needs better handles (especialy in traffic and going left), he could still elevate his defensive game, consistently. I mean DG has room for growth, which is exciting.

    I love his fire to win, but there is no reason posters can't say that he shouldn't shake his head in disgust when Roy flops around like an unathletic fish sometimes. Now there is a rip on probably my two favorite current Pacers.

    Lastly, I am a fan of the uniform, I have to admit. It's been hard in recent history, but it's true. I've been a fan of the team, not just it's players. Any criticizm is said with the hope it brings them to the promise land someday.

    Danny's frustration is understandable. They were swallowing their whistles last night. Also, the team is 11 games under .500. You are right, I'd be pissed if he wasn't pissed. However, I'd rather he learn how to channel it better. If I was Salvatore (I think it was) I would have T'd up Danny in the first half when he overeacted, imo.
    Last edited by Speed; 02-18-2009, 01:22 PM.


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      Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

      I love everything Danny brings to the court. I am in the camp that wouldn't trade Danny for anyone else in the league. Agreed, he still has room to grow and that is a good thing.

      To be fair and honest, yes the brawl and some of our past years have made me a bit weary of certain things. I love the Pacers and will defend them to anyone, but I can't tolerate players whining to the officials like Jack and JO (the main two that stick out to me) used to do. I don't think Danny is ANYWHERE near that level, I just don't want it to get there. That is my ONLY concern, and frankly I'm sure I'm premature in showing concern.

      Like I said in the post-game thread I love that Danny stood up to Andre Miller. I just watched the clip a minute ago and in my opinion it looked a lot worse in person. In person it looked as if Danny sprinted over to him, but watching the clip I didn't think it looked as bad. I want Danny to let the rest of the league know that coming to Indiana is not going to be a pushover. Danny has become the leader that this team has needed for quite some time now and I think most of us are aware of that and embrace it wholeheartedly.
      Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers


      • #4
        Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

        I agree with the OP.


        • #5
          Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

          If this was refereed like college ball in the 70s, then I'd say Danny's behavior is a bit too much.

          Unfortunately, this is the NBA third millennium. It's not so much strict objective following of the rules. There is also a clear tip of the hat by officials to all-stars. Wish it weren't so, hate it, and don't believe in it.

          But it is what it is. That being the case, Danny's behavior is arguably spot on. He is establishing himself and gaining the edge we have lacked of late in the eyes of officials. And I'd like to think Danny only needs to do this for a season of time.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


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            Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

            Well said rexnom.

            I think people forget how emotional playing sports can be be... and how that emotion can help or hurt you. I think in Danny's case it helps him. Now I agree that I don't want to see Danny turn into 'Sheed or even JO when it comes to complaining about calls, however I don't see this from Danny. I see a guy who genuinely wants to win and it's not just about his personal stats, but a real will to win.

            How many people LOVED it when Reggie was at the height of his trash-talking, instigator days? I know I did. My favorite playoff series ever is still the one in which Reggie and Spike went at each other, when Reggie did the whole "choke" signal. It shows fire and as long as it's not hurting anyone and it's focused on the team, I think it's great.

            I personally am one of the people who doesn't like the new "calling-it-tight" style of refereeing the games. It annoys me when two guys are jawing at each other, or someone reacts to a cheap-shot and they call a double-tech. Just separate them and keep playing. This is the way it was in the 90's and I'd like to see it be that way again. Sport is emotional, these guys aren't robots.

            I want to see a guy who has fire and intensity, will stand up for his teammates and wants nothing more than to win every game. Along with that, I want to see a guy with good sportsmanship. This is what I've seen from Danny so far.


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              Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

              Good grief, quit bein' a buncha pansies. That incident last night was absolutely nothing to get worked up about.
              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.


              • #8
                Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                Most of the guys that played in the late 80s/early 90s NBA would probably be surprised that people think Danny was being over aggressive.


                • #9
                  Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                  Basically I like Danny b-being aggressive, b-being aggressive! But I don't want him to reach LeBron levels of whining. That's part of the reason I can't stand him, and I would hate to see my favorite player take the same route.

                  Beyond that, if he doesn't cost us a game, get suspended, or go into the stands seeking higher ground because he thinks he's drowning in beer, I'm fine.


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                    Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                    I can't believe there are such rigid protocols about reactions to cheap fouls and complaining to referees.

                    I agree with Rexom 100%.


                    • #11
                      Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                      I'm thrilled to death with Danny, and I'm very appreciative of his efforts.

                      However, that doesn't preclude me from thinking that he over-reacted last night and looked a bit closer to silly than tough.

                      I think Danny's made a huge leap in asserting himself on the court. He's grown during this season alone in the ability to come up big in the fourth quarter. He has definitely shown the ability to be a team leader.

                      That being said, the incident with Miller wasn't his finest hour, IMO. I don't think there's anything damaging in saying so, either.

                      As to the guys from the '80's and 90's, they probably would have wondered what he was getting so puffy about, because it wasn't much of a hit. They probably would have been less than impressed that he was going after a 6'2" point guard.


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                        Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                        Originally posted by count55 View Post
                        I'm thrilled to death with Danny, and I'm very appreciative of his efforts.

                        However, that doesn't preclude me from thinking that he over-reacted last night and looked a bit closer to silly than tough.

                        I think Danny's made a huge leap in asserting himself on the court. He's grown during this season alone in the ability to come up big in the fourth quarter. He has definitely shown the ability to be a team leader.

                        That being said, the incident with Miller wasn't his finest hour, IMO. I don't think there's anything damaging in saying so, either.

                        As to the guys from the '80's and 90's, they probably would have wondered what he was getting so puffy about, because it wasn't much of a hit. They probably would have been less than impressed that he was going after a 6'2" point guard.
                        Point is, this is how the NBA has changed. One minor altercation in a game sets off a huge hullabaloo.


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                          Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                          Originally posted by count55 View Post
                          I'm thrilled to death with Danny, and I'm very appreciative of his efforts.

                          However, that doesn't preclude me from thinking that he over-reacted last night and looked a bit closer to silly than tough.

                          I think Danny's made a huge leap in asserting himself on the court. He's grown during this season alone in the ability to come up big in the fourth quarter. He has definitely shown the ability to be a team leader.

                          That being said, the incident with Miller wasn't his finest hour, IMO. I don't think there's anything damaging in saying so, either.

                          As to the guys from the '80's and 90's, they probably would have wondered what he was getting so puffy about, because it wasn't much of a hit. They probably would have been less than impressed that he was going after a 6'2" point guard.
                          Very well said. I agree on all accounts.
                          "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                          -Lance Stephenson


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                            Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                            I have no problem with what he did last night


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                              Re: I like competitive Danny...a lot

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I have no problem with what he did last night
                              I can mostly get behind this, but I also don't see much in the way of value in what he did, either.