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Re: I do not want to see this become a habit
So, whose call is it, when it comes to whether he plays or not? Because when you're going 1-11, that "himself before the team" element does start to creep back into the discussion... (keep in mind the last game I saw was, I think, the PHX game. I'm just asking Q's, seeing how you guys think.)You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?
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Re: I do not want to see this become a habit
My take is that Danny is who we think he is. He isn't JO or Jalen (who was the bad influence on JO). The frustration got to him a bit. He made a mistake. He probably knows it, and was probably told all about itComment
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I understand everyone's concern from this, but I think it's way too hard to call one way or the other. Danny has shown us absolutely nothing to indicate this sort of personality before. Granted JO didn't either til his last few years here, but Danny just seems too genuine. If he complains to the refs every once in a long while, I really don't care. All really good players will do that from time to time. IF it becomes something he is doing 10-15 times a game, then we have an issue.
As far as falling back to Earth, The season Danny has had so far is absurd and so far above any expectation we could have had for him. He hasn't been 100% for a while and while I appreciate the fact that he wants to play in the All Star game and probably more importantly get to wear the jersey, I hope the coaching staff at the game will only play him 5 minutes or so.Last edited by Trader Joe; 02-11-2009, 10:33 PM.
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Ive started to notice this too. I really hope Granger isnt getting 'cocky' now. Hes been a good kid thus far, we dont need him to turn out to be a cancer. The positive about this is that Granger is taking EACH game to heart and wants to win game, but he needs to learn that complaining to refs for a call during the game is only going to hurt the team because we'll be one man short on defense"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
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"He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
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Re: I do not want to see this become a habit
I agree. But let me take it further, and bear in mind I'm Danny=Pip, so I don't criticize him lightly....
Danny is NOT a good defender. Yet.
He's great helping out and he often hustles down a play, makes that huge block, etc. But his overall awareness is often poor and he's still making the same one on one mistakes he did in year 1. He gives his guy room, he over-closes out and gets burned, he bites shot fakes like a starving child, and so on.
Tonight in a perfect example of why I call Rush=McKey, Rush is having a great night sticking with his man and in the 4th he got a lot of time on RJeff with great effect. The problem is you get zero stats out of just making your man not get the ball or forcing him to pass it away over and over.
So...the Bucks try to get him going by running that freaking high post ball screen they killed them with all night using Chucky V with Danny on him and running Jeff with dribble past it to the left. Rush reads it ahead of time and tries to pull himself around Villi, but there is nothing you can do alone there.
The problem is that Danny was literally not paying attention. He was looking at another player or the ref or I wasn't sure what, but he did a Saras "hey, was that just a play I was supposed to be in" double take once Jeff was already 10 feet past him. Rush actually almost caught up to Jeff while Danny was still dumbfounded.
So one guy has a "quiet, modest night" and the other is your high scoring AS. And I'm not trying to just jock Rush here, he's just the best example of good but non-stat producing defense on the team that I use as a benchmark for where Danny needs to get.
I punted on guys like Troy, Dun, TJ and Graham getting there long ago. But I expect more from Danny. There is no excuse for this on a play like that. With his length and Rush's awareness the play should have gone so that Danny went with Jeff, denied his turn jumper and with Rush denying the return pass to Villi the Bucks would have been forced to recycle the play. I saw Rush do just that later on a different PnR when he was forced onto the taller player (deny return pass on a PnR).
Danny has been great, he's grown his game and by far the biggest knock last year on him was going off dribble, drawing fouls and passing the ball. He improved that stuff a ton which is why he's an AS. I'm just saying that he's not done yet because to truly be Danny=Pip he's going to have to take some cues from how Rush defends.
If there is one thing that makes you wish Artest had stayed it's this, because that first year Danny was learning how to one on one defend from a master. And if he can get to Rush's level then you could really hurt a lot of teams who count on big scoring from the 2-3.
PS - Danny's defense still destroys the defense we are getting out of the PG spot; it's an insult to the word defense to put it in that sentence even.
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I agree with this too. He's an AS player even without that defensive issue. I'm hoping that the ref bickering is born out of the frustration of losing, which has to be catching up to him.
This is the reason that some of us are concerned with the coaching situation or team makeup, whichever it is. The guy doesn't need insta-help, that's not realistic, but he's gotta see a direction and he needs a positive voice in his head to help keep things in perspective.
How can Danny not be more frustrated than we are, and most of us are pretty frustrated.Comment
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I think it could be a little early for this..
He hasn't shown this in the past even when compared to a lot of the stars he would seem to complain the least.Comment
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I hope he doesn't believe that complaining incessantly to the refs is what leading is all about.
I have not really seen too much yet, but I am not comfortable with the direction things are headed. The fuse just seems a little short and a little hot. Maybe he has a little of his daddy in him. May not be a bad thing...Comment
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