The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

[Star] Defend the paint

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Re: [Star] Defend the paint

    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
    [Foster]'s the least physical and most reliant on speed/ jumping.
    Plus, that speed and jumping is going to start to fade eventually. Jeff has trade value. Which is more than you can say for a lot of our roster (although things have gotten better there.)

    Roy looks absolutely huge in that picture - like he could pick Danny up by palming his head.
    You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
    All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

    - Jimmy Buffett


    • #17
      Re: [Star] Defend the paint

      It looks like Mike is going to help us out. His response to my email:

      Originally Posted by Mike Wells
      I'll try to do a blog on it today. If not, I'll definitely do something on it tomorrow.

      Wow. Cool. Thanks.
      Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?


      • #18
        Re: [Star] Defend the paint

        Originally posted by Doug View Post
        Plus, that speed and jumping is going to start to fade eventually. Jeff has trade value. Which is more than you can say for a lot of our roster (although things have gotten better there.)

        Roy looks absolutely huge in that picture - like he could pick Danny up by palming his head.
        I was beginning too wonder if I was the only one who noticed that. Roy is large!!

        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.


        • #19
          Re: [Star] Defend the paint

          I have so many things to say about this article, but first.....isn't it great to have basketball back again? It's truly the best time of year!

          .................................................. .................................................. .....

          Coaching in the first few days of practice were, at least for me, my very favorite time to be coaching. All of the things you've planned, worked on, researched, labored over, and discussed are now being implemented.

          As a coach during this period, you find yourself (or at least I do) about the most schizophrenic you will ever be. There are times when you look out there on the floor and you think "Damn, my team is tough! We are going to be a hard team to beat!"

          The next practice, those same players look awful, and you think "Crap, we may not win a game!"

          The truth of course is always in the middle. The old coaching axiom of "you are never really as bad as you look when you struggle, and you are never really as good as you look when you are winning" comes becomes so evident.

          .................................................. ..................................................

          Lets not get too excited about these defensive changes just yet.

          Basically, let me first just say that there arent nearly as many "wing pick and rolls" as there used to be in the NBA anyway. The reason being that with the defensive weakside defensive rules changing, it is easier for help defenders on the opposite side of the ball to be nearer to the "screen/roller". To adjust for this, there are many fewer side pick and rolls to defend in a given game anyway.

          For Mike Wells to act like forcing the side pick and roll to the baseline instead of to the middle is a new idea is just way too simplistic of a statement.

          For instance, WHERE A SCREENER IS COMING FROM ON THE FLOOR is going to make a difference to most coaches. If a screener is running to the wingman from the top of the circle, almost certainly teams would play that defensively with a "hard hedge" and force the ballhandler to the corner....that only makes sense, and most coaches would already do that. That isnt new for us or anyone else.

          If a screener comes from the lane or the low block, how you defend a ballscreen in this situation has to factor in other details. For instance, THE SIDE OF THE BALL THE SCREENER CHOOSES TO SET THE SCREEN. If he sets it in the middle of the floor to attempt to free up the ballhandler to drive middle, or if he sets it up on the low side in order to free up the dribbler to go baseline, the defense can react in a few different ways.

          Now, if Wells is saying the Pacers are going to force a wing screen/roll to the baseline REGARDLESS of where the screener comes from or where the screener sets up, that will be news. I'd need some clarification on video study before I get too involved in "new" defensive concepts we are trying.

          As an offensive coach, if the Pacers are indeed forcing EVERYTHING to the baseline/corner, it isnt like I wouldnt have adjustments for that situation. One easy one is to send a "big" from the elbow or higher on the floor to set a wing "fake ballscreen" or "slipscreen" and just sprint to the basket. The defender of the screener is no doubt being taught to "hedge hard" (as I mentioned above) in order to turn the ball back to where it came from. That means the screener will effectively have a step or two on him as he sprints to the bucket, and the other helpers likely will be off guard, waiting on a ballscreen that never actually happened.

          There are other adjustments smart coaches can make also. Dont be surprised if this little simple adjustment is effective for us, but also dont think it is foolproof.



          • #20
            Re: [Star] Defend the paint

            Originally posted by pizza guy View Post
            I was beginning too wonder if I was the only one who noticed that. Roy is large!!

            Damn....I thought that Granger was TJ in that picture.

            All Hibbert has to do ( much like in that picture ) is set his feet and wave his hands in the air ( where he can wave them like he doesn't care ) to deter any player from driving to the hoop where they would either have to shoot the ball over Roy's tall wingspan or force a bad pass.

            I've said this before.......last season....when Harrison finally figured out that he could stay out of Foul Trouble by simply planting his feet and using his length and size to defend......instead of trying to swat the ball all the time....he became far more effective on the defensive end....simply by acting as a huge wall that opposing players had to shoot over.
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


            • #21
              Re: [Star] Defend the paint

              I've said this before.......last season....when Harrison finally figured out that he could stay out of Foul Trouble by simply planting his feet and using his length and size to defend......instead of trying to swat the ball all the time....he became far more effective on the defensive end....simply by acting as a huge wall that opposing players had to shoot over.
              Another graduate of The Kemo School of Punctuation.

              But, yeah, it is remarkable the difference a few inches makes. Hibbert even looks large standing next to Foster!
              And I won't be here to see the day
              It all dries up and blows away
              I'd hang around just to see
              But they never had much use for me
              In Levelland. (James McMurtry)


              • #22
                Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                Well, maybe we can dub him the "Human Detour" ala Mark Eaton.
                ...Still "flying casual"


                • #23
                  Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                  Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                  Another graduate of The Kemo School of Punctuation.
                  Yep........I graduated with honors!!!!!
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                  • #24
                    Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                    Well, he followed through! As I said elsewhere, I guess he thought my use of the word "hardcore" to be funny.


                    Pick. Roll. Dunk.

                    Posted by Mike Wells

                    I got an email from a "hardcore" fan this morning asking about how the Pacers plan to defend the pick-and-roll this season.

                    That's a good question, especially since opposing point guards were able to pad their assists total and big men could increase their field goal percentage by dunking all the time against the Pacers pick-and-roll defense.

                    I remember Josh Boone dunking and laying the ball up for 21 first-half points against the Pacers because they couldn't defend the play in a game in late March. Devin Harris made them pay for going under the screen by knocking down open jump shots. That's just one of several examples.

                    Jeff Rabjohns touched on it in his story today, but here's what Pacers coach Jim O'Brien says about their pick-and-roll defense.

                    "(In the past) we blitzed all pick-and-rolls on the side," O'Brien said. "Now we are what we call 'blue,' which is our signal for sending the ball handler on the side pick-and-roll down to the corner to the baseline so it'll keep our bigger guys closer to home, closer to the lane than they have been in the past.

                    "We're starting out the year attacking the offensive glass. We rarely had more than two people attack the offensive glass. We're attacking with three, which will put more pressure in practice on our defense from the standpoint the defense will have to hit people more in practice than they did last year."

                    The addition of T.J. Ford and Jarrett Jack should allow the Pacers to defend the pick-and-roll better because both players should be able to get over top the pick.

                    As you guys may already know, Travis Diener is out indefinitely with a sore left foot. Diener's soreness is in the same foot he had surgery on to remove bone spurs from his left big toe in May.

                    Mike Dunleavy (knee) also didn't practice today, but there's a chance he could practice tomorrow.


                    • #25
                      Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                      Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
                      I just hope that Hibbert will not spend most of his time on the bench with foul trouble due to ticky-tacky fouls
                      I'm fine if he does. As long as he fouls out at 6 instead of 2, I'm happy.
                      This space for rent.


                      • #26
                        Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                        Hardcore Hicks.

                        Sounds like a Southern pornstar
                        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


                        • #27
                          Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                          Another really interesting tidbit in the blog. Pacers are sending three to the offensive glass vs two and mostly only 1 in the past......should be interesting.

                          As many of you know I am a proponent of not seding more than 1 to the offensive glass as I want the team to get back on defense.

                          One thing I do know is if you are going to make a huge change like they are it is something you must start doing the first day of training camp and practice it everyday.


                          • #28
                            Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                            Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                            Another graduate of The Kemo School of Punctuation.
                            LOL ... Thanks for noticing .... I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now ..
                            Even though I know it was a light-hearted jab .

                            Really though, the only reason I got in the habit of doing that, is because I found it easier to separate thoughts while I am typing....... and conveying a long pause in between them........

                            I also tend to do ALOT of run-on sentences ... usually on purpose ... but not for lack of "knowing" how to correctly punctuate.

                            It is usually because sometimes I tend to be thinking a hundred miles a minute while trying to convey a bunch of things in a post.
                            Last edited by Kemo; 10-02-2008, 12:11 AM.
                            "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."


                            • #29
                              Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                              Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                              But, yeah, it is remarkable the difference a few inches makes.
                              Resisting temptation to reply to this.

                              Anyway, I like the way the Pacers are being aggresive on both ends of the floor, and while I dont care much for having lots of people on the offensive glass (especially with a smaller guard like TJ being 1 of your two defenders back on D), its at least aggresive and the team is forcing other teams to react to them rather than the other way. As UB said, there's certain guys like Sheed and KG where this sort of defense doesnt work as well, but for the most part it can be effective if used properly.
                              "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                              ----------------- Reggie Miller


                              • #30
                                Re: [Star] Defend the paint

                                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                                Hardcore Hicks.

                                Sounds like a Southern pornstar
                                Not the star, the movie title.


                                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...