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  • wintermute
    Artificial Intelligence
    • Jan 2004
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    couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading



    Pacers aren't done with trade market
    Team hopes to gain power forward, deal Tinsley before next season

    By Mike Wells

    The Indiana Pacers began introducing new players Tuesday.

    Team president Larry Bird said he isn't finished remaking the roster, however.

    Bird said he hopes to trade for or sign a power forward and is confident he can trade point guard Jamaal Tinsley.

    "As we made deals, we knew we were probably going to have an area that we needed to still address, and right now it's a power forward that can score down low," Bird said after Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush -- two of the seven players the team acquired through trade -- were introduced. "Hopefully we're not done this summer."

    The Pacers have 16 players under contract -- one over the maximum allowed during the season. Team officials said they can fill the hole at power forward through a trade because the Pacers have expiring contracts and a $2.7 million trade exception to offer teams. The Pacers also have their mid-level exception, which is about $5.9 million, to spend on a free agent. Bird said he will probably use only part of the exception if the Pacers use it at all.

    "There's different ways we can take care of our needs," general manager David Morway said. "I think at this point, we're looking at the trade market at the moment."

    The Pacers tried to solve both issues in one deal by offering Tinsley to Miami for power forward Udonis Haslem, but the Heat are reluctant to give up Haslem.

    "We're talking to some teams, but it depends on if they are going to make the decision or not," Bird said. "We'll see where it goes."

    Pacers officials said they expect to be able to trade Tinsley because 10 or 12 teams need a point guard. How soon that happens might depend on whether the Memphis Grizzlies trade one of their three young point guards -- Mike Conley Jr., Kyle Lowry or Javaris Crittenton.

    Teams looking for a point guard might prefer to acquire one of the young Grizzlies.

    Bird said Tinsley has lost weight and has passed physical tests by team trainers.

    "It was obvious after the trades they made that they are trying to reshape the team, and we understand that," Tinsley's agent, Raymond Brothers, said. "We have a lot of respect for Larry Bird and David Morway because they have treated (Tinsley) well. David continues to check on him on a weekly basis."

    Call Star reporter Mike Wells at (317) 444-6053.
  • Unclebuck
    Administrator
    • Jan 2004
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    #2
    Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

    If Bird could have pulled off the JT for Haslem trade, I would have never criticized Bird ever again for as long as I lived.

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    • wintermute
      Artificial Intelligence
      • Jan 2004
      • 7008

      #3
      Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading



      Not going over the luxury tax
      Posted by Mike Wells

      I had a chance to catch up with Pacers Larry Bird about a couple things after the press conference Tuesday afternoon.

      Bird said he doesn't expect the Pacers to go over the $71.150 million luxury tax.

      The Pacers are in the midst of trying to trade point guard Jamaal Tinsley and acquire a power forward while also watching their money.

      "We're up around $69 million right now and we don't want to go over the tax," Bird said. "You always like to save some money, but the thing is, our owners are not going to save money and not have a productive team out there, especially when we did the deals we did this summer. I think it's being able to move some pieces to get the type of player we want at (power forward)."

      What the Pacers have in their favor is that there are several teams that need a point guard. Miami, Golden State and Cleveland are teams that come to mind right away. It's just a matter if those teams are willing to take on the remaining three years of Tinsley's contract and his injury problems.

      Bird and general manager David Morway are actively working the phones trying to make a deal, but Bird said they aren't willing to give up any of their core players.

      "We're not going to compromise some of our good players or our future," he said. "I can't say our roster is set because there are some things we're trying to do. "
      all i can say is, bird and morway both seem very confident they can move tinsley.

      and i don't think any pf we can acquire with the pieces we're offering will be very good. haslem isn't too bad though, but i guess the heat aren't that desperate yet.
      Last edited by wintermute; 07-16-2008, 09:00 AM.

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      • DGPR
        Go Blue and Gold!
        • Aug 2006
        • 2392

        #4
        Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

        I would welcome a Tinsley for Haslem trade. And then Riley would be welcomed into his new home in the insane asylum.

        "I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about." - Peter Griffin

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        • MillerTime
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          • May 2008
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          #5
          Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

          Originally posted by wintermute
          http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...oing_over.html



          all i can say is, bird and morway both seem very confident they can move tinsley.

          and i don't think any pf we can acquire with the pieces we're offering will be very good. haslem isn't too bad though, but i guess the heat aren't that desperate yet.
          I think Crit from the Grizzz will go to Miami. Theyre seriously considering a trade for him. But if we can package a deal for Haslem, that would be amazing:

          Ford/Jack
          Dunleavy/Rush
          Granger/Williams
          Haslem/Rasho
          Murphy/Hibbert

          looks good
          "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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          • Doddage
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            • Oct 2006
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            #6
            Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

            Holy crap yeah, Tinsley for Haslem would be great. Do it, LB

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            • MillerTime
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              • May 2008
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              #7
              Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

              Originally posted by TheDoddage
              Holy crap yeah, Tinsley for Haslem would be great. Do it, LB
              Tinsley + 2nd rounder for Haslem...

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              they make the same about of money but Haslem has one year less on his contract
              "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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              • Anthem
                White and Nerdy
                • Jan 2004
                • 24482

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                Bird said Tinsley has lost weight and has passed physical tests by team trainers.
                Ok, this could be a flat-out lie... but I doubt it.

                So... to everyone who gave me crap about not believing Tinsley had gained 40 pounds and was done with basketball... your thoughts?
                This space for rent.

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                • Anthem
                  White and Nerdy
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 24482

                  #9
                  Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                  Originally posted by TheDoddage
                  Holy crap yeah, Tinsley for Haslem would be great. Do it, LB
                  The problem isn't that Bird won't do it. The problem is that Miami won't.
                  This space for rent.

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                  • MagicRat
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                    • Jan 2004
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                    #10
                    Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                    Originally posted by Anthem
                    Ok, this could be a flat-out lie... but I doubt it.

                    So... to everyone who gave me crap about not believing Tinsley had gained 40 pounds and was done with basketball... your thoughts?
                    Now he's only up 38 lbs.......
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                    • rexnom
                      Headband and Rec Specs
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 8726

                      #11
                      Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                      Even if they have no offers and trading prospects are dim, at least they're sticking to trading JT vs. buying him out, which is great if they ever hope to actually trade him.

                      That sounds redundant, but it makes a world of difference.

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                      • MillerTime
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                        • May 2008
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                        #12
                        Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                        Originally posted by Anthem
                        Ok, this could be a flat-out lie... but I doubt it.

                        So... to everyone who gave me crap about not believing Tinsley had gained 40 pounds and was done with basketball... your thoughts?
                        i think those were just speculations. For sure he didnt gain and lose 40 pounds already. I dont know who said that Tinsley gained 40 lbs but the only place I read it was here. If Bird says he passed physicals then i guess its true, hes the most crediable source.

                        Bottom line, Tinsley isnt going to be a Pacers this season. If this means a trade or a buyout....hes gone
                        "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                        • Speed
                          Member
                          • Jan 2006
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                          #13
                          Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                          2.7 trade exception, helpful.

                          Mid level exception helpful.

                          expiring contracts helpful.

                          He does have the makings of a trade there, so its not inconceiveable. I'd rather use Marquis expiring contract, if any, at this moment.

                          You could also us Maceos contract as expiring with the 2.7 exception and take on a player for around 5 million.

                          If they really can move Tinsley they'd still be under the luxury, or if they buy him out, I still think they would be JUST under it.

                          I've changed my mind on moving Foster, I want him to retire a Pacer. He is everything you want as a Pacer.

                          What low post type player can you get? I really can't think of any off the top of my head.

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                          • Doddage
                            AIDIW
                            • Oct 2006
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                            #14
                            Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                            Originally posted by Anthem
                            The problem isn't that Bird won't do it. The problem is that Miami won't.
                            Oh, I know... but Bird needs to be aggressive with it. If that means advertising Tins to be a point God, he's gotta do it.

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                            • Hicks
                              Member
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 53117

                              #15
                              Re: couple of mike wells' articles on tinsley, trading

                              Originally posted by Anthem
                              Ok, this could be a flat-out lie... but I doubt it.

                              So... to everyone who gave me crap about not believing Tinsley had gained 40 pounds and was done with basketball... your thoughts?
                              He gained wait from April until _____, and is now getting rid of it.

                              Also, no one said 40 pounds, and if they did, they're lying. It was supposedly 25lbs.

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