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  • 712Jefferson
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    • Dec 2009
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    #31

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    • 712Jefferson
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      • Dec 2009
      • 5118

      #32
      I agree that Mathurin's first quarter defense in that Philly game was abysmal, unfortunately. My issue though is Rick holding only certain players accountable. Tyrese, Andrew and co. can do whatever the **** they want. Ben or Jarace make a couple of mistakes (still literally two of the youngest guys on the team) and it's the end of the world. That postseason success last year made Rick think we're better than we are and he's more or less abandoned the idea of development, which was never really his strong suit anyway.

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      • yoadknux
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        • Jan 2011
        • 2114

        #33
        Originally posted by 712Jefferson
        I agree that Mathurin's first quarter defense in that Philly game was abysmal, unfortunately. My issue though is Rick holding only certain players accountable. Tyrese, Andrew and co. can do whatever the **** they want. Ben or Jarace make a couple of mistakes (still literally two of the youngest guys on the team) and it's the end of the world. That postseason success last year made Rick think we're better than we are and he's more or less abandoned the idea of development, which was never really his strong suit anyway.
        Nembhard averages 2 rpg. our starting center averages 6 rpg and our starting SF averages 3.8 rpg. And Rick is like "bUt MaThUrIn dOeSnT rEbOuNd" Jesus Christ dude
        Originally posted by Piston Prince
        Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
        "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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        • 712Jefferson
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          • Dec 2009
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          #34

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          • LilSean320
            Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 657

            #35
            I think one of the biggest issues with Rick is that he has a specific style of play he prefers, and if a player doesn’t fit that mold, they often end up in his "dog house." He has a track record of clashing with certain players, like Luka, Rondo, and Dennis Smith Jr. There’s even an article out there about Jalen Brunson looking forward to playing against the Pacers because Rick Carlisle is coaching us.

            What frustrates me most about Benn not playing is that he’s one of our most talented scorers. Instead of starting him at the 2, we’re starting Nembhard, a scrappy but undersized shooting guard who would be better as a backup point guard. Then there’s Nesmith, who’s more of a hustle guy but doesn’t bring great defense. It feels inconsistent that Benn is held accountable for his defense, but Hali isn’t scrutinized in the same way. And with our team’s poor rebounding, why is Benn benched for that when players like Myles stay in despite his bad rebounding performances? Myles should have been pulled when he couldn't grab the rebound in front of him yesterday and ultimately it led to him having to foul the Orlando big.

            There’s this perception that our team is deep, but in reality, we’re not as deep as we’re made out to be. I know it’s early in the season, and Rick is still working on rotations, but if he can’t find a way to get Mathurin 25-30 minutes a game, then he might need to go.

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            • yoadknux
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              • Jan 2011
              • 2114

              #36
              Originally posted by LilSean320
              I think one of the biggest issues with Rick is that he has a specific style of play he prefers, and if a player doesn’t fit that mold, they often end up in his "dog house." He has a track record of clashing with certain players, like Luka, Rondo, and Dennis Smith Jr. There’s even an article out there about Jalen Brunson looking forward to playing against the Pacers because Rick Carlisle is coaching us.

              What frustrates me most about Benn not playing is that he’s one of our most talented scorers. Instead of starting him at the 2, we’re starting Nembhard, a scrappy but undersized shooting guard who would be better as a backup point guard. Then there’s Nesmith, who’s more of a hustle guy but doesn’t bring great defense. It feels inconsistent that Benn is held accountable for his defense, but Hali isn’t scrutinized in the same way. And with our team’s poor rebounding, why is Benn benched for that when players like Myles stay in despite his bad rebounding performances? Myles should have been pulled when he couldn't grab the rebound in front of him yesterday and ultimately it led to him having to foul the Orlando big.

              There’s this perception that our team is deep, but in reality, we’re not as deep as we’re made out to be. I know it’s early in the season, and Rick is still working on rotations, but if he can’t find a way to get Mathurin 25-30 minutes a game, then he might need to go.
              ******* I hate it when the Pacers are called deep
              Whenever we're called deep it just means "our starters are not much better than our bench players" which is the case for all of our players except Siakam
              Originally posted by Piston Prince
              Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
              "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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              • yoadknux
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                • Jan 2011
                • 2114

                #37
                Mathurin with 30 pts 11 rebounds against the champs. But Rick will find some dumb reason not to give him minutes like "he ties his shoe laces in the opposite direction".
                Originally posted by Piston Prince
                Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
                "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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                • BornReady
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                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3420

                  #38
                  Originally posted by yoadknux
                  Mathurin with 30 pts 11 rebounds against the champs. But Rick will find some dumb reason not to give him minutes like "he ties his shoe laces in the opposite direction".
                  Right. Blaming it on rebounding and defense is cheap lip service to me - that's just a copout answer, particularly when nobody in those games were rebounding or defending well. Sometimes, it has to be about scoring when nobody else is able to reliably.
                  Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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                  • Cubs231721
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                    • Aug 2006
                    • 3812

                    #39
                    Originally posted by yoadknux
                    ******* I hate it when the Pacers are called deep
                    Whenever we're called deep it just means "our starters are not much better than our bench players" which is the case for all of our players except Siakam
                    If your starters aren't much better than your bench players, you are either terrible across the board or you are deep. The Pacers are absolutely deep. Their 6-11 would rank what, 7th in the league at worst and probably better than that? It's just they don't have as much top end talent as some teams.

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                    • CreekShow
                      Hoosier for Life
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 504

                      #40
                      Just asked my buddies Saturday what the o/u on games until Benn is a starter. My guess was 10 but feels more like 3-5 tbh.
                      I Bleed Blue

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                      • MillerTime
                        FREE LANCE
                        • May 2008
                        • 7626

                        #41
                        Originally posted by CreekShow
                        Just asked my buddies Saturday what the o/u on games until Benn is a starter. My guess was 10 but feels more like 3-5 tbh.
                        Its still hard to tell. I would prefer Ben starting but Rick seems like he wants to balance line up (between the starters and bench). It would be interesting to swap Nembhard and Turner to the bench and start IJax and Ben. It'll never happen but its a good idea
                        "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                        • yoadknux
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                          • Jan 2011
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Cubs231721

                          If your starters aren't much better than your bench players, you are either terrible across the board or you are deep. The Pacers are absolutely deep. Their 6-11 would rank what, 7th in the league at worst and probably better than that? It's just they don't have as much top end talent as some teams.
                          The wakeup call is that other than Siakam, Haliburton and Mathurin no other player would start on a good team. I always bring up the days people called us deep for having Tyler Hansbrough and Josh McRoberts until the day we signed a real NBA-level PF in David West, then nobody discussed who should start.
                          Originally posted by Piston Prince
                          Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
                          "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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                          • Cubs231721
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                            • Aug 2006
                            • 3812

                            #43
                            Originally posted by yoadknux
                            The wakeup call is that other than Siakam, Haliburton and Mathurin no other player would start on a good team. I always bring up the days people called us deep for having Tyler Hansbrough and Josh McRoberts until the day we signed a real NBA-level PF in David West, then nobody discussed who should start.
                            I think normally when people talk about deep they are talking about how many players does that team have who would be rotation players on a good team. So that might be the disconnect, is that they are thinking of it with a completely different definition.

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                            • MillerTime
                              FREE LANCE
                              • May 2008
                              • 7626

                              #44
                              Originally posted by yoadknux
                              The wakeup call is that other than Siakam, Haliburton and Mathurin no other player would start on a good team. I always bring up the days people called us deep for having Tyler Hansbrough and Josh McRoberts until the day we signed a real NBA-level PF in David West, then nobody discussed who should start.
                              I don’t think we need too many “good players”. I think we’ll be fine with Hali Siakam and Mathurin being our stars and others being roll players.

                              looking at the old Spurs team, they had a core of Manu Parker and Duncan (for the most part) and then had a ton of guys that just knew their role
                              "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                              • BornIndy
                                INDIANA
                                • May 2013
                                • 8586

                                #45
                                I definitely think Mathurin should be the long term SG. I also like Nembhard and think this current team should get one more go at the playoffs together.

                                With that said, who could we trade Nembhard for?

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