How do we make sure that we do not become the 2020-21 Atlanta Hawks

[able]

Turner ? YES PLEASE (does he need a ride?)

Mathurin is not up for discussion until the end of the year.
others perhaps

[festar35]

Believe me, I have always been a fan of developing young Players and using that as a means to build and bolster a Team around a superstar and a strong Starting linup. But I think that with the emergance of Nembhard, the potential of Nesmith, Mathurin and Sheppard ( at least as quality to solid Bench Players ), the mystery box of Walker and even Furbie; you also have to start looking at look at the Pacers current situation and consider making some consolidation trades. The Pacers are finally in a position to have a very solid 6 to 10 man bench rotation. We just need to solidify the Starting lineup more.

I say that the Pacers should package and trade Turner simply because I don't want to pay and lock him into a 4 year contract that will be way more than I am comfortable paying him. His overall game ( especially his defense ) is regressing as he gets older. I don't see him improving at all and I don't want to pay him what he will likely want from the Pacers for the next 4 years. I'd rather get something for him while Teams think that his shotblocking is still an asset ( it is but not as good as it used to be ) and his rebounding is still garbage.

As for my suggestion to include Sheppard, we have a lot of quality Guard and Wing options but not enough minutes. Nesmith and Mathurin are really good at something. We need a solid wing defender to come in and hassle the opposing wing? Give me Nesmith. We need a guy to come in, get some buckets by attacking the basket? Give me Mathruin. Believe me, I LOVE the no nonsense play of Sheppard. He's not the king of anything, but he's a decent to solid jack of all trades Player. If some opposing GM wanted one of Nesmith, Mathurin or Sheppard along with Turner that nets us the Starter that we really want; then I'd give any of them up. But if it was left up to me? I'd include Sheppard while keeping Nesmith and Mathurin.

We only have 3+ years to build the best roster that we can to contend for a Championship. Tear off the bandaid and move on from Turner while packaging him with one of our young Players to improve our Starting lineup.

If we trade Turner, we need to replace Turner. James Wiseman has shown nothing in 4 years, and Isaiah Jackson is a nice piece, but not a starting C. So my question is, how do you replace Turner?

Having a stretch-5 is huge for Haliburton, as shown by the fact they are the best pick'n'roll/pop duo in the entire league. Siakam likes to operate in the post/mid-range, and Turner lets him do that.

To me, the prime candidate to trade, beyond this season, as this season, it's I-Jax, which does nothing for us capwise next year. It's Mathurin + Walker. There isn't really room for both of them, then next up it's like Nesmith or Toppin, then Nembhard. The only way we pay tax to me is if we can acquire a 3rd All-Star, and I can't help wondering what a package of Mathurin, Nesmith, + Jackson could get us in terms of getting a legit SF.



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[CableKC]

If we trade Turner, we need to replace Turner. James Wiseman has shown nothing in 4 years, and Isaiah Jackson is a nice piece, but not a starting C. So my question is, how do you replace Turner?

Having a stretch-5 is huge for Haliburton, as shown by the fact they are the best pick'n'roll/pop duo in the entire league. Siakam likes to operate in the post/mid-range, and Turner lets him do that.

To me, the prime candidate to trade, beyond this season, as this season, it's I-Jax, which does nothing for us capwise next year. It's Mathurin + Walker. There isn't really room for both of them, then next up it's like Nesmith or Toppin, then Nembhard. The only way we pay tax to me is if we can acquire a 3rd All-Star, and I can't help wondering what a package of Mathurin, Nesmith, + Jackson could get us in terms of getting a legit SF.



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I know for sure that any new Starting Center isn't on the roster. I-Jax isn't that guy and Wiseman for sure ain't that guy.

I am sure that I am not the only one that is enamored with the idea of locking in Turner to the price of a long term contract that should be paid to someone that is the 3rd option on the Team. We know that Turner isn't that guy, he's no Bam Adebayo and shouldn't be paid accordingly. At best, he should be paid as a solid 4th / low end 3rd Starter on the Team. Whatever that is, I'd be okay with that ( my guess is $22 mil to 24 mil? a year ). I just don't want to lock in so much money on a Player that I am 99% has peaked and isn't going to be worth the amount of money that he thinks he should be paid.

I know that we are in "win now" mode, but I don't think that we are going to be there for another season or two short of Mathurin and Nembhard making a huge leap along with increased chemistry from Haliburton and Siakam.

Yes, I know that I have no clue who that Player is that could replace Turner. I just know that I don't think that Turner is the long term answer at the Starting Center spot at the price that he wants to be paid. As I said before; if the FO comes to the conclusion that Turner isn't the real long term answer at the Starting Center spot AT THE PRICE THAT HE WANTS TO BE PAID, rip the bandaid off sooner rather than later and figure out who to replace Turner with. We have 2 seasons ( tops ) to find a replacement.

[festar35]

I know for sure that any new Starting Center isn't on the roster. I-Jax isn't that guy and Wiseman for sure ain't that guy.

I am sure that I am not the only one that is enamored with the idea of locking in Turner to the price of a long term contract that should be paid to someone that is the 3rd option on the Team. We know that Turner isn't that guy, he's no Bam Adebayo and shouldn't be paid accordingly. At best, he should be paid as a 4th / 3rd Starter on the Team. Whatever that is, I'd be okay with that ( my guess is $22 mil to 24 mil? a year ). I just don't want to lock in so much money on a Player that I am 99% has peaked and isn't going to be worth the amount of money that he thinks he should be paid.

I know that we are in "win now" mode, but I don't think that we are going to be there for another season or two short of Mathurin and Nembhard making a huge leap along with increased chemistry from Haliburton and Siakam. As I said, rip the bandaid off sooner rather than later and figure out who to replace Turner with. We have 2 seasons ( tops ) to find a replacement.

We will be trading even more pieces to acquire a new starting C. We are already over the salary even if we let Turner walk for nothing, so we can't go buy a new one. If Bam is available, then give them the farm, I'll take him, but C still matters and will be giving up assets to get one.

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[712Jefferson]

Man, I know it's probably a fair-ish range for him given the going market rate, but even the thought of giving Myles a new contract in the low 20s gives me heart palpatations, considering all of the other existing and upcoming salary obligations we're going to be dealing with.

[Peck]

I might be crazy, scratch that I am crazy, but I just am holding out hope beyond hope that Tyrese Haliburton can unlock the game of James Wiseman. As bad as his career has been, and yes for a # 2 pick it's not good, he's still a 9 point and 6 rebound a game player on average. I just hope that playing along side both Haliburton but mostly McConnel consistently allows him to grow his game to where he is at least a solid backup. But time will tell.

[712Jefferson]

Fwiw, I agree about Wiseman and think we will see a decent showing from him.

[stew]

The pelicans seems like a perfect pacers trade partner.

they need a starting center, and we need a wing. They like trey Murphy, so maybe they are open to something like turner for herb Jones and filler / pick.

[Jose Slaughter]

If the Pacers are playing well enough where they feel they can contend then they keep Turner.

[CableKC]

If the Pacers are playing well enough where they feel they can contend then they keep Turner.

I suspect that the FO will decide to extend and keep Turner if they return to the Playoffs, regardless of how they do. Short of him being paid in the low 20 mil range, which is unlikely, I think it will be a mistake to pay him anything more than what you'd pay a Starter that is considered a 4th best Player in the Starting lineup. Anything beyond that will be a mistake, simply because we don't have a 3rd Best Player in the Starting lineup. The FO has to spend the majority of their $$$ on finding an "Wonder Woman" to Haliburton's "Superman" and Siakam's "Batman". Turner ain't "Wonder Woman", he's ( at best ) paid to be "Aquaman" or even Wonder Dog in the Pacers Superfriends lineup.

Before anyone asks; NO, I do not have an answer as to who can replace him in the Starting lineup. It's a tough choice to make, but I'd rather make that choice and start the search sooner rather than later ( which is something that I've been pushing for since last season ). KP and Carlisle will have 2 seasons to find a new Starting Center and then really compete in Year 3 and 4.

To be clear, this isn't hating on him ( at least on the level of vnzla81 ). It's more that I don't want to pay him to be the 3rd best Player on the Team when it's clear that he isn't. Pacers can't afford to make moves like that out of sheer loyalty or a false sense of continuity that isn't really the best fit.

[McKeyFan]

The FO has to spend the majority of their $$$ on finding an "Alfred" to Haliburton's "Batman" and Siakam's "Robin". Turner ain't "Alfred", he's ( at best ) paid to be Aquaman or Wonder Dog in the Pacers Superfriends lineup.

This is why I frequent PD, to get the references to solid literature.

[zallen541]

lol wonder dog is harsh! Are there any players we could pull from the scrap heaps of Portland, Brooklyn, Washington, or even the midseason LA Clippers that would fit the bill? I don’t think New Orleans is ready to move on from Herb or anyone else that’s decent besides Brandon Ingram obviously. And Brandon Ingram will probably turn on his team, he reminds me more of Harvey Dent that’s about to get his face melted

[festar35]

This is why I frequent PD, to get the references to solid literature.

I mean, Alfred organizes everything and lingers in the background, so that's Carlisle right?

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[yoadknux]

I'm gonna surprise people and say that the difference comes to Mathurin.
We made very good progress regarding the addition of talent to this roster and it showed. But the rest of the east also improved since last year, and honestly, we had luck with injuries.
I expect Haliburton to have a down year, I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling tells me he's in that "Stardom" phase that causes players to regress. I don't think he's going full Oladipo though.
It's Mathurin that is most responsible for the future of this team, not Haliburton, not Nembhard.

[owl]

I might be crazy, scratch that I am crazy, but I just am holding out hope beyond hope that Tyrese Haliburton can unlock the game of James Wiseman. As bad as his career has been, and yes for a # 2 pick it's not good, he's still a 9 point and 6 rebound a game player on average. I just hope that playing along side both Haliburton but mostly McConnel consistently allows him to grow his game to where he is at least a solid backup. But time will tell.

One can hope. I am curious to see him play