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  • Peck
    Administrator
    • Jan 2004
    • 19930

    Originally posted by BornReady

    Isn’t it odd that we apparently did better with lesser picks in a weaker draft than when we had more and better picks in a deeper draft?
    Some ot that is scouting, which the team both deserves credit and blame. Some of it though is Carlisle as a coach. IMO he does much better with players who have low ceilings but high floors vs players who have high ceilings and low floors. Like almost all coach's he can't stand mistakes and sadly rookies often make mistakes but young inexperienced players make more mistakes often times than their counterparts who have a couple of more years of college experience.



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    • CableKC
      Member
      • Mar 2005
      • 36687

      Originally posted by Peck

      Some ot that is scouting, which the team both deserves credit and blame. Some of it though is Carlisle as a coach. IMO he does much better with players who have low ceilings but high floors vs players who have high ceilings and low floors. Like almost all coach's he can't stand mistakes and sadly rookies often make mistakes but young inexperienced players make more mistakes often times than their counterparts who have a couple of more years of college experience.
      I suspect that Carlisle has been more involved in the Draft process over the last couple of seasons. Some misses but some hits as well. As for Furby, he was more of a Player that just dropped to us that wasn't expected to be there. So, more luck than not in that pick.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • BobbyMac
        Most optimistic member!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3518

        Originally posted by BornReady

        Isn’t it odd that we apparently did better with lesser picks in a weaker draft than when we had more and better picks in a deeper draft?
        The draft is always a crap shoot. You can look thru the draft tables over the years and you will see many failures of first round picks.
        Go Pacers!

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        • LongTimePacerFan
          Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 1666

          Originally posted by BobbyMac

          The draft is always a crap shoot. You can look thru the draft tables over the years and you will see many failures of first round picks.
          1st round picks are exponentially more likely to hit than 2nds. The dice are way more weighted in your favor the earlier you're drafting.

          https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com...07.4%25%20rate.

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          • LongTimePacerFan
            Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 1666

            Originally posted by BobbyMac

            The draft is always a crap shoot. You can look thru the draft tables over the years and you will see many failures of first round picks.
            1st round picks are exponentially more likely to hit than 2nds. The dice are way more weighted in your favor the earlier you're drafting.

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            • BobbyMac
              Most optimistic member!
              • Aug 2006
              • 3518

              Originally posted by LongTimePacerFan

              1st round picks are exponentially more likely to hit than 2nds. The dice are way more weighted in your favor the earlier you're drafting.
              I agree, however while the odds are higher the results are not guarenteed. There are several 2nd round draft choices that are doing very well in the NBA.
              Go Pacers!

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              • jrwannabe
                Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 5023

                Oscar is going to the Jazz.

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                • 712Jefferson
                  Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 5041

                  Wish Oscar nothing but the best. What a likeable kid. Think it was the right move to let him go and sign Freeman instead though.

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                  • PR07
                    Member
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 7226

                    Bummer on Tshiebwe. I really thought he had a skill-set that the Pacers: A) Both need more of, and B) would be useful off the bench with his elite rebounding skills.

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                    • MrHale
                      Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 618

                      Originally posted by PR07
                      Bummer on Tshiebwe. I really thought he had a skill-set that the Pacers: A) Both need more of, and B) would be useful off the bench with his elite rebounding skills.
                      the one thing we lacked he had, wanted to at least see him in action

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                      • jrwannabe
                        Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 5023

                        I like QJ because he has that dog mentality, but if I'm picking based on need, I'm signing Oscar over him. QJ has zero chance of ever being used on the main roster. Oscar could be used.

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                        • stew
                          Member
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 460

                          Originally posted by jrwannabe
                          I like QJ because he has that dog mentality, but if I'm picking based on need, I'm signing Oscar over him. QJ has zero chance of ever being used on the main roster. Oscar could be used.
                          I disagree.

                          oscar was played off the floor in the g league playoff.

                          If he cannot stay in front of g league players, what makes you think he can stay in front of nba talent.

                          Freeman also outplayed Oscar in the summer league.

                          qj also have a better summer league showing. So the decision is correct (regarding 2 ways) based on what they have shown..

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                          • jrwannabe
                            Member
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 5023

                            Originally posted by stew

                            I disagree.

                            oscar was played off the floor in the g league playoff.

                            If he cannot stay in front of g league players, what makes you think he can stay in front of nba talent.

                            Freeman also outplayed Oscar in the summer league.

                            qj also have a better summer league showing. So the decision is correct (regarding 2 ways) based on what they have shown..
                            My point is, QJ will be so behind in the depth chart that seeing the floor for the Pacers is slim. Oscar brings rebounding where we struggled. I agree that Freeman has more promise.
                            But overall it kind of fell on Oscar because a two way was offered but he waited too long, the Pacers pulled the offer.

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                            • 712Jefferson
                              Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 5041

                              Imo, Oscar just didn't really seem to have length or explosiveness to do what he does so well in the G-League against NBA big men. Ideally, you need at least one of the two... or shooting or something to hang your hat on. Think he will crush it overseas though.

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                              • Pacemaker
                                Member
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 2276

                                I favor Freeman over Oscar both dogs Freeman can shoot

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