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20 games into the 22/23 season, what do we believe or not believe

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    For those that are upset that we are not still headlong into a tank I need to address the following. Tyrese Haliburton is just that good.

    Honestly unless we sit him for extended games I just don't see how this team is a bottom 5 team. I'm not saying you aren't right to be upset, I'm not even saying the Pacers wouldn't agree with you. But at the end of the day he has turned out to be a very special player that I don't believe anyone honestly expected to be this good. So while yes adding another top 4-5 pick wouldn't hurt, it just isn't in the cards. So while I thought this season was going to be about a season or two from now myself, it's time to improvise adapt and overcome. It now may be time to start targeting that young player who is stuck behind someone else on a championship team who needs to be freed and use our assets to bring him in. I don't know who that player is or even if one exists, but right now that's probably what they need to start targeting because like it or not winning 12 game already means you can't really win more than 10-15 games tops the rest of the year to be in the top 5 of the draft. Again, Haliburton.

    So while I feel your pain, it's just something we have to now pivot from
    so is SGA...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      For those that are upset that we are not still headlong into a tank I need to address the following. Tyrese Haliburton is just that good.

      Honestly unless we sit him for extended games I just don't see how this team is a bottom 5 team. I'm not saying you aren't right to be upset, I'm not even saying the Pacers wouldn't agree with you. But at the end of the day he has turned out to be a very special player that I don't believe anyone honestly expected to be this good. So while yes adding another top 4-5 pick wouldn't hurt, it just isn't in the cards. So while I thought this season was going to be about a season or two from now myself, it's time to improvise adapt and overcome. It now may be time to start targeting that young player who is stuck behind someone else on a championship team who needs to be freed and use our assets to bring him in. I don't know who that player is or even if one exists, but right now that's probably what they need to start targeting because like it or not winning 12 game already means you can't really win more than 10-15 games tops the rest of the year to be in the top 5 of the draft. Again, Haliburton.

      So while I feel your pain, it's just something we have to now pivot from
      There was a thread before the season in which Tyrese Haliburton was discussed. Several posters stated that he had potential to make All-NBA teams, and were told that they were living in a fantasy world.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by cinotimz View Post

        Is it ironic that Turner was on that Pacer team that ur alleging he wanted to leave because they couldnt win?

        Coincidence?
        No, Alanis, that is not what ironic means.

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        • #34
          I am pleasantly surprised although I did predict they would make the playoffs before the season started I think the only concern I have is how long will it keep up and the fact that we haven't played any dominant teams in fact who was or is the best team we've played so far?
          Sittin on top of the world!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

            There was a thread before the season in which Tyrese Haliburton was discussed. Several posters stated that he had potential to make All-NBA teams, and were told that they were living in a fantasy world.
            I don't think that was so much that he had the potential to make an All-NBA team, it was more that I don't think we expected to see him in the conversation in his FIRST full year in Indiana (and if thats the case, I think the allure of playing alongside him may potentially land us a big free agent signing)..

            If I recall correctly at Squealers, I was leaning towards a 30 to 35 win season, I still am prioritizing player development over the WL record this season, but even for someone who thought the team wasn't that far off, I gotta admit they are better than I expected so far.

            Also, that Nembhard thread is looking like it's going to go up there with "his value will never be higher."

            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

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            • #36
              Peck, that's why you never listen to the devil. The devil has and will always be full of ****. Just brings down the quality of your post and the entire forum.

              We have a good YOUNG team. If we remain in 4th spot, fall to the play-in games, fall out of the playoffs all together and into the lottery, it doesn't matter. We are ahead of schedule.

              Just enjoy the ride, there is no guaranteed way to rebuild. Anyone telling you there is, is full of ****.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                I am pleasantly surprised although I did predict they would make the playoffs before the season started I think the only concern I have is how long will it keep up and the fact that we haven't played any dominant teams in fact who was or is the best team we've played so far?
                The Pelicans Nuggets back-to-back games were a pretty strong showing. The Nets are in a stretch of 7 games in which they were 5-2, the two losses being the Pacers and Sixers. The Lakers had been playing well, they also had a 7 game stretch where they were 5-2, the two losses being the Pacers and Suns. Seeing as we didn’t finish the Nuggets game with a win, I would say one of the other three games would be our strongest win of the season.

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                • #38
                  I am pleasantly surprised by the team as well as Turner.

                  For now I agree with Hoop. I am just enjoying the ride.

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                  • #39
                    To be fair, our friend Roaming Gnome said at the gathering over the summer that he felt Haliburton was going to be on the level with John Stockton. While that is still a ways a way (a long long long way away) it's not as outlandish now as it seamed at the time.


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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      To be fair, our friend Roaming Gnome said at the gathering over the summer that he felt Haliburton was going to be on the level with John Stockton. While that is still a ways a way (a long long long way away) it's not as outlandish now as it seamed at the time.
                      He’s at that level now. It has only been 20 games though, lol.

                      They had numbers on the broadcast, I think the numbers were 18 points, 12 assists and 2 steals for the month of November, there were three guys, Magic, Stockton, and Hali. Got to start somewhere.

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                      • #41
                        Peck
                        I like your "Angel vs Devil" analogy of the key players: Turner, Haliburton, Hield, Smith, Mathurin, IJax, McConnell, NeSmith, Membhard and Brisset. I think you're spot on about each one of them. So, I won't attempt my own player analysis. However, I will assess the team at the 20-game mark.

                        I really didn't expect the Pacers to be above .500 right now. Hell, I didn't expect they'd be among the top 5 in the East (currently in 4th place) let alone the top 10 in the league (currently in 7th overall). I love how the players have gelled. Team chemistry is off the chart! It showed in their come-from-behind win over the Lakers w/Nembhard's buzzer beater 3 to steal victory from the jaws of defeat. WHAT A GAME!...down 17pt to come back and win. That was one for the ages; an instant classic. But I've notice that with one or two exceptions, this team fights all the way down to the wire. Yes, they often find themselves playing from behind, but Pacers teams of old would have cashed it in when they'd get down by 20 pts. You'd see it in their body language. But not this team. THEY FIGHT! Now, would I love to see this team lead from start to finish? YES! But I know that's impossible even for elite teams, i.e., the Celtics or Bucks. Nonetheless, I'd like to see them keep games closer from start to finish...give themselves more of a chance to win where they're not having to use up so much energy on either end of the ball. Thing is THIS TEAM plays with so much energy and HAS SO MANY PLAYERS WHO SCORE CONSISTENTLY IN DOUBLE-FIGURES, it's hard to stay mad at them when they're playing from behind. It's almost like that's how they prefer to play. (Reminds me of the Paul George years when the Pacers would make the adjustments at half-time, come from behind and win.)

                        This team is full of confidence. I think that began with their first win over Kyrie and KD. And when they did it again, it was like, "Hey, we just beat a team with 2 All-Stars...TWICE!". And then to defeat the Lakers with LeBron, Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook...CONFIDENCE!

                        The Pacers still have a long way to go, but I like the upward trajectory they're on right now. I believe as long as players remain healthy and they keep playing together the way they have, they could surprise more than just Pacers fans.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                          PG demanded a trade because we didn’t try to win hard enough, or so I’m told. Now we don’t want to try to win when we have Hali? How do you expect that to turn out? Some of you have the amazing ability to be on both sides of every single issue.
                          Absolutely this. It is going to take some wise decisions from this point but losing intentionally or stealthily is a no no.
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                          • #43
                            The tank has definitely rolled right out of town. 20 games in, 62 games left. We could go 29-33 to finish with a .500 record, but that probably puts us in the play-in at worst, and I don't really think we'll lose that many. This team appears headed for a 5-8 seed, which of course is the dreaded "treadmill" territory. So I understand people being upset about not tanking again.

                            For me though, I love the fight in this team, and I would not do anything that could damage that culture. Keep playing to win. This is a growing group that will benefit from the experience, including a tough playoff series.

                            The onus is on Kevin Pritchard & staff not to lose sight of the long-term plan, and on Simon to let them work instead of loving this little team.

                            We have a bevy of young talent. We have multiple established veteran role players. We have 3 first round picks and 2 second rounders this year, as well as all of our own firsts for the coming years. We have cap flexibility. Options to renegotiate or extend Myles. And a GM that has a good track record in the trade market. Whatever this team is by the trade deadline or end of the season, we must not lose focus on the long-term because we have incredible building blocks and the best opportunity in decades to capitalize on them to reach another level of competition.

                            I've always been a Myles fan, no apologies. I like TJM and his fiestiness. Buddy has been great here. Oshae, Theis, and even Duarte are quality players that other teams are likely to have interest in. But there needs to be some very difficult decisions made by this deadline and offseason. Because while this team is ridiculously fun to watch and I'm fully on board with winning and making the playoffs and getting bounced by Giannis, I do not want to commit to the vets that are not in line with the age of our stars or the contracts that will strap us down with a 5th-seed ceiling. At the end of the day, I do love this team, I'm thrilled Myles is playing well, and I want to continue building on Haliburton and Mathurin and ruthlessly pursue the best roster we can put around those two.
                            It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                            • #44
                              Anti tankers really have a way of acting like they have been right all along, no you haven’t, if Pacers had followed anti tankers lead we would probably still have Brogdon as the point guard with Rudy Gay as the power forward fighting to get into the play in games just because “this is Indiana and blah blah blah”.

                              Mathurin greatness should remind all of you every single game about how wrong you were.

                              And nope losing games is not going to create a losing mentally or whatever made up bs some of you keep believing, if that was the case the tanking last year would have contaminated that whole team and they wouldn’t be winning now as they are.

                              Right now is a good time for anti tankers to take a seat, stop been so arrogant and just take the L
                              Last edited by vnzla81; 11-30-2022, 08:32 PM.
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                              • #45
                                Most everyone was on board with last seasons tanking, ALL MOST EVERYONE. Most including me thought we'd be at least semi tanking this season. Nobody, but a few crazys, wanted a long term tank, more than a couple of years, This team has been a complete surprise to most everyone.

                                The clown still wants to make up ****, about the so called anti-tankers. Always making up ****, and then beating it to death.
                                "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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