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  • Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
    Well you sure as heck implied it...but thanks for clarifying...which then makes my point...which you clearly made...Myles opens his mouth all too often and out comes the garbage like in the Woj podcast...these narratives you speak of have originated with Myles...as Freddie pointed out, some dont care what he says...but thats a dying breed as the athletes today talk a great deal about wanting to be heard and using their platforms, etc.. Which then opens things up to the Kyrie and Myles of the world who just cant help themselves and inevitably say some of the most stupid ****....but u cant have it both ways, as everyone is finding out...u cant want to be heard, but then pretend it never happened when u say stupid ****...
    Comparing what Myles said to what Kyrie said is honestly ****ed up. Myles didn't give a platform to hateful propaganda like Kyrie did. I know that you didn't like what Myles said in that podcast but, please, do not compare it to Kyrie. You're doing everyone a disservice.

    I'd be glad to discuss the Myles podcast with you if that's what you want to do but it has to be a good faith discussion. And it cannot be a good faith discussion as long as that comparison looms over it.

    Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
    as for it doing me good to hang out on other boards....while ive certainly seen other boards and on rare occasion actually engage in such, i have zero desire to troll other teams' boards like Kstat does...and definitely dont see much good from doing so..my passion is the Pacers and thats been the case since the days at the Fairgrounds and giving my saved up allowances to Slick and Nancy at the telethon...but i also have a life and prefer to allocate my time and energy to the Pacers' passion and not waste it in other areas that dont have the same significance.
    Troll other teams' boards? Do you honestly think that this is what happens on neutral NBA forums? If that's what you think then you're mistaken.

    The good thing with neutral NBA boards is that you get the perspective of fans of other teams. You listen to what they have to say about your team and what they have to say about their teams. And then you get to see all the similarities and parallels that exist in these arguments. You'll see that there is a percentage of fans who, regardless of the team they support, will always think that the refs have it out for their team, will always think that their team's coach sucks and that their rotations are what lost them said game, will always think that their FO sucks at drafting, will always harp on one or two specific players on the team and will try to blame all of their team's failures on those few players and the list goes on.

    Because that's how human beings work. When you become invested in something, you inevitably develop biases. You focus so hard on something that you lose the forest for the trees. But fans of other teams who aren't focusing solely on your team and aren't invested in it won't do that. They won't lose the forest for the trees and they usually have not developed any biases towards it. They will look at the big picture and they will try to generally be objective. And that's why their perspective is invaluable. Because their perspective will make you cognizant of the biases that you have developed and the first step at combatting our own biases is to be cognizant of them. Their perspective will help you re-calibrate and try to work towards adopting a more objective viewpoint.

    PD used to have a number of regulars that weren't Pacer fans. They provided a lot of worth to the site and they were one of the reasons why this forum used to be more objective and level-headed than other team forums. Sadly, they rarely post anymore and that development hasn't been good for the forum, imo.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
      He wanted Halliburton so bad they made a bad deal in giving up an allstar plus draft capital
      Wait a second. You still consider this a bad deal even after everything that Haliburton has done? This deal got us a potential superstar for an All-Star. How can you still view it as a bad deal?
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

        Comparing what Myles said to what Kyrie said is honestly ****ed up. Myles didn't give a platform to hateful propaganda like Kyrie did. I know that you didn't like what Myles said in that podcast but, please, do not compare it to Kyrie. You're doing everyone a disservice.

        I'd be glad to discuss the Myles podcast with you if that's what you want to do but it has to be a good faith discussion. And it cannot be a good faith discussion as long as that comparison looms over it.
        Its all garbage...primarily from the standpoint of it all being selfish, self-serving, self-indulgent, insensitive BS...are there varying degrees based on the audience's background? certainly...were the jews more impacted by Kyrie's comments? yes...was there a huge number of African Americans that actually supported Kyrie and felt he had done nothing wrong? Yes there were...feel free to visit Twitter if you dont agree...thats the whole point-depending on one's background, one may or may not be as offended as another depending on how close it hits to home...and many like to be judgemental when they arent really invested, yet ridicule others for doing the very same when they do. Im not Jewish, so I wont pretend to fully understand the gravity and depth of the hurt-to do so would be insensitive and shallow on my part, IMO. I am, however, a lifelong Pacer fan...and its been very very clear to me throughout the 8 years or so that Myles has been here that he cares far less about this franchise than I do and most that have worn the uniform before him...and theyve paid him around 80 million dollars whereas I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting the franchise...so yea, i have taken great offense at a number of things Myles has said-especially when its clear that he cares only about himself...that he doesnt love the game of basketball-let alone the Pacers...that he is a me-first individual versus a team-first individual...and he has repeatedly done things from that standpoint regardless of the negative impact it had on the team-because his priority is himself and not his teammates, the franchise or the fans...

        And just because you feel something is a disservice, doesnt make it so...you are entitled to your opinion, as am i, as is everyone...depending on how and what we all are invested as well as what our backgrounds are will shape those opinions...as you have shown here, some are far too quick to judge other opinions when they dont agree versus just sharing an opposing opinion...this isnt a forum designed for personal discussions and I have zero interest in having such with you as I typically dont find your opinions particularly compelling -but for the record this whole thread- which is pages and pages long- is exactly a discussion about what Myles said in the Podcast ...and everyone including yourself and yours truly have shared opinions on such...and its neither your right or mine to suggest what constitutes a good faith discussion and what does not.

        Judge not, lest you be judged...



        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

        Troll other teams' boards? Do you honestly think that this is what happens on neutral NBA forums? If that's what you think then you're mistaken.

        The good thing with neutral NBA boards is that you get the perspective of fans of other teams. You listen to what they have to say about your team and what they have to say about their teams. And then you get to see all the similarities and parallels that exist in these arguments. You'll see that there is a percentage of fans who, regardless of the team they support, will always think that the refs have it out for their team, will always think that their team's coach sucks and that their rotations are what lost them said game, will always think that their FO sucks at drafting, will always harp on one or two specific players on the team and will try to blame all of their team's failures on those few players and the list goes on.

        Because that's how human beings work. When you become invested in something, you inevitably develop biases. You focus so hard on something that you lose the forest for the trees. But fans of other teams who aren't focusing solely on your team and aren't invested in it won't do that. They won't lose the forest for the trees and they usually have not developed any biases towards it. They will look at the big picture and they will try to generally be objective. And that's why their perspective is invaluable. Because their perspective will make you cognizant of the biases that you have developed and the first step at combatting our own biases is to be cognizant of them. Their perspective will help you re-calibrate and try to work towards adopting a more objective viewpoint.

        PD used to have a number of regulars that weren't Pacer fans. They provided a lot of worth to the site and they were one of the reasons why this forum used to be more objective and level-headed than other team forums. Sadly, they rarely post anymore and that development hasn't been good for the forum, imo.
        you seem to have this tendency to create issues where there arent really any...and then like to undermine this false pretense you yourself created...some call it strawman...all in some sort of apparent desire to be right...and at times almost has a 'holier than thou' vibe to it...I believe we all should stick to our own opinions and why we feel what we feel about them, no matter how strongly....interpreting and creating other peoples opinions so as to criticize or judge them is not only bizarre but screams to the very thing you mentioned earlier about proceeding in a manner that suggests good faith, IMO...

        Finally, please dont preach to me about how PD used to be...Ive been around way longer than you have probably even been a Pacer fan...ive seen it take on many different iterations and like most things in life it certainly has been a continual evolution. But I would probably agree with you that there used to be more thoughtful, invested, informed and level-headed posters that dont seem to be around nearly as much and have been somewhat replaced by posters like yourself who seem to have a different set of values and are more interested in 'winning on the internet' so to speak versus having old-school sharing of good-faith opinions...but again, this is just my opinion/2 cents worth...


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        • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

          Wait a second. You still consider this a bad deal even after everything that Haliburton has done? This deal got us a potential superstar for an All-Star. How can you still view it as a bad deal?
          yes...as i stated then...im of the opinion that they overpaid...regardless of how great one or the other might become, the transaction is done at that moment...at that moment Hali was not all-star, Domas was...Hali was not the best player on his team, Domas was. I was very clear then about the busness notion that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Thats just how business typically works. As i stated back then I had a real issue with the Pacers giving up a draft choice-and felt a more plausible deal would have been the Kings giving up a second. Even moreso with the albatross of a contract that Hield brought with him.

          Do people sometimes overpay for non-rational reasons? absolutely...especially if we are enamored with certain objects...Rick has made it clear he has been fond of Hali for a while...and Rick is one who goes after his guys...will that mean he might overpay sometimes? yes..similar to what some have suggested happened with drafting Nembhard at 31 instead of later...

          Doesnt mean those of us that might feel we overpaid for certain things arent glad we have Nembhard...or Hali...love both of them...before either transaction took place...but im not a 'do the deal, no matter the cost' kinda of guy...this is the real business of basketball, not some video game...the compensations and dollars are all very real and every detail matters...

          I realize not everyone is like this and many feel like the costs dont really matter...its not 'their' money...im just not like that...thats my opinion...

          Im also not one who believes you can go back in time and review a deal's veracity based on values that are later determined...i dont believe that is truly objective..so no matter how great either player ultimately becomes...the deal was done Feb. 8, 2021 and regardless of even whether both teams benefit equally or not...doesnt change the values of that moment in 2021...

          even so...both players are playing great....I, like many, love watching Hali play and develop...and his future is bright...

          but the same can be said for Domas as well...hes lead his team to a completely different trajectory just as Hali has...and in fact. Sacramento has won more games since the trade than the Pacers have...what does that prove? probably about the same as if anything else of significance happens in the future...which is kinda my whole point...people are so concerned about "winning the deal"...both teams were trying to get what they wanted..and probably both feel like they did for the most part...did one team overpay slightly? probably...it happens...if Hali becomes a superstar and Domas does not, then time has a way of having people forget and get over it...

          but it doesnt erase it either...but thats just my opinion...and i respect that others have differing opinions...
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          • Originally posted by cinotimz View Post

            Its all garbage...primarily from the standpoint of it all being selfish, self-serving, self-indulgent, insensitive BS...are there varying degrees based on the audience's background? certainly...were the jews more impacted by Kyrie's comments? yes...was there a huge number of African Americans that actually supported Kyrie and felt he had done nothing wrong? Yes there were...feel free to visit Twitter if you dont agree...thats the whole point-depending on one's background, one may or may not be as offended as another depending on how close it hits to home...and many like to be judgemental when they arent really invested, yet ridicule others for doing the very same when they do. Im not Jewish, so I wont pretend to fully understand the gravity and depth of the hurt-to do so would be insensitive and shallow on my part, IMO. I am, however, a lifelong Pacer fan...and its been very very clear to me throughout the 8 years or so that Myles has been here that he cares far less about this franchise than I do and most that have worn the uniform before him...and theyve paid him around 80 million dollars whereas I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting the franchise...so yea, i have taken great offense at a number of things Myles has said-especially when its clear that he cares only about himself...that he doesnt love the game of basketball-let alone the Pacers...that he is a me-first individual versus a team-first individual...and he has repeatedly done things from that standpoint regardless of the negative impact it had on the team-because his priority is himself and not his teammates, the franchise or the fans...

            And just because you feel something is a disservice, doesnt make it so...you are entitled to your opinion, as am i, as is everyone...depending on how and what we all are invested as well as what our backgrounds are will shape those opinions...as you have shown here, some are far too quick to judge other opinions when they dont agree versus just sharing an opposing opinion...this isnt a forum designed for personal discussions and I have zero interest in having such with you as I typically dont find your opinions particularly compelling -but for the record this whole thread- which is pages and pages long- is exactly a discussion about what Myles said in the Podcast ...and everyone including yourself and yours truly have shared opinions on such...and its neither your right or mine to suggest what constitutes a good faith discussion and what does not.

            Judge not, lest you be judged...



            you seem to have this tendency to create issues where there arent really any...and then like to undermine this false pretense you yourself created...some call it strawman...all in some sort of apparent desire to be right...and at times almost has a 'holier than thou' vibe to it...I believe we all should stick to our own opinions and why we feel what we feel about them, no matter how strongly....interpreting and creating other peoples opinions so as to criticize or judge them is not only bizarre but screams to the very thing you mentioned earlier about proceeding in a manner that suggests good faith, IMO...

            Finally, please dont preach to me about how PD used to be...Ive been around way longer than you have probably even been a Pacer fan...ive seen it take on many different iterations and like most things in life it certainly has been a continual evolution. But I would probably agree with you that there used to be more thoughtful, invested, informed and level-headed posters that dont seem to be around nearly as much and have been somewhat replaced by posters like yourself who seem to have a different set of values and are more interested in 'winning on the internet' so to speak versus having old-school sharing of good-faith opinions...but again, this is just my opinion/2 cents worth...

            I only have a couple of things here:

            1) Kyrie giving a platform to hateful propaganda is not an opinion. It is a fact. The movie he promoted was hateful propaganda and no one can dispute that. There is a freaking Hitler quote in the damn movie, for crying out loud.

            2) Everyone can have their opinion when it comes to what Myles said in that interview. I never said that you cannot feel offended by what he said. You have the right to be offended and I'm not going to judge anyone for feeling that way. What I will insist on, though, is that the two situation are miles apart. There is no comparison between the two. The movie that Kyrie posted can lead to violence against Jewish people. It causes actual, physical harm to people. What Myles said cannot lead to violence against Pacer fans or anyone else. It doesn't cause physical harm to anyone. They are not comparable in any way, shape or form and pretending that they are is doing everyone a disservice indeed.

            3) It is really ironic to say "judge not, lest you be judged" and then immediately turn around and spent two paragraphs judging me. I don't care about winning on the internet, Taz. That would probably be you. Good job projecting.
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
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            • Originally posted by cinotimz View Post

              yes...as i stated then...im of the opinion that they overpaid...regardless of how great one or the other might become, the transaction is done at that moment...at that moment Hali was not all-star, Domas was...Hali was not the best player on his team, Domas was. I was very clear then about the busness notion that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Thats just how business typically works. As i stated back then I had a real issue with the Pacers giving up a draft choice-and felt a more plausible deal would have been the Kings giving up a second. Even moreso with the albatross of a contract that Hield brought with him.

              Do people sometimes overpay for non-rational reasons? absolutely...especially if we are enamored with certain objects...Rick has made it clear he has been fond of Hali for a while...and Rick is one who goes after his guys...will that mean he might overpay sometimes? yes..similar to what some have suggested happened with drafting Nembhard at 31 instead of later...

              Doesnt mean those of us that might feel we overpaid for certain things arent glad we have Nembhard...or Hali...love both of them...before either transaction took place...but im not a 'do the deal, no matter the cost' kinda of guy...this is the real business of basketball, not some video game...the compensations and dollars are all very real and every detail matters...

              I realize not everyone is like this and many feel like the costs dont really matter...its not 'their' money...im just not like that...thats my opinion...

              Im also not one who believes you can go back in time and review a deal's veracity based on values that are later determined...i dont believe that is truly objective..so no matter how great either player ultimately becomes...the deal was done Feb. 8, 2021 and regardless of even whether both teams benefit equally or not...doesnt change the values of that moment in 2021...

              even so...both players are playing great....I, like many, love watching Hali play and develop...and his future is bright...

              but the same can be said for Domas as well...hes lead his team to a completely different trajectory just as Hali has...and in fact. Sacramento has won more games since the trade than the Pacers have...what does that prove? probably about the same as if anything else of significance happens in the future...which is kinda my whole point...people are so concerned about "winning the deal"...both teams were trying to get what they wanted..and probably both feel like they did for the most part...did one team overpay slightly? probably...it happens...if Hali becomes a superstar and Domas does not, then time has a way of having people forget and get over it...

              but it doesnt erase it either...but thats just my opinion...and i respect that others have differing opinions...
              The transaction may be done at that moment but the potential of a player factors into that. Haliburton may not have been an All-Star at the time of the trade but everyone knew that he'd be one soon. He was highly regarded as a rising star in the league which is why everyone around the NBA was shocked that the Kings made the deal. Hali didn't suddenly discover his superstar potential this year. He always had that potential which is why he became that so soon.

              Personally, I don't care about who wins the deal and I'm inclined to believe that most trades are "win-win" type of deals. I think that this deal made sense for both teams and that it has helped us both. The idea that the Pacers overpaid will not find a lot of support outside of PD (most people thought that the Pacers got a steal at the time and Hali's play is probably going to reinforce that) but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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              • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                I only have a couple of things here:

                1) Kyrie giving a platform to hateful propaganda is not an opinion. It is a fact. The movie he promoted was hateful propaganda and no one can dispute that. There is a freaking Hitler quote in the damn movie, for crying out loud.

                2) Everyone can have their opinion when it comes to what Myles said in that interview. I never said that you cannot feel offended by what he said. You have the right to be offended and I'm not going to judge anyone for feeling that way. What I will insist on, though, is that the two situation are miles apart. There is no comparison between the two. The movie that Kyrie posted can lead to violence against Jewish people. It causes actual, physical harm to people. What Myles said cannot lead to violence against Pacer fans or anyone else. It doesn't cause physical harm to anyone. They are not comparable in any way, shape or form and pretending that they are is doing everyone a disservice indeed.

                3) It is really ironic to say "judge not, lest you be judged" and then immediately turn around and spent two paragraphs judging me. I don't care about winning on the internet, Taz. That would probably be you. Good job projecting.
                Yet you keep "insisting"...

                And u keep creating others opinions in an effort to then "insist" otherwise

                Just because u insist or say otherwise doesn't make it true...no matter how many times u do so..

                Just because u say something doesn't compare....doesn't make it true..it's your opinion...it's neither right nor wrong...one should respect people's opinions and realize these are NOT clearly defined subjects such as whether something is black or white-regardless of how some might try to represent otherwise
                Kylie is an idiot when it comes to alot of the things he says...myles is the same..these are my opinions...you're free to have an alternative one...what Myles says generally offends me more because unfortunately hes associated with something very near and dear to my heart and something ive invested a lot of time and resources in over more than 50 years...kyrie? I literally could give two ***** about him or anything having to do with him..but thats me..my opinion and the basis for such...everyone is different...and everyone is entititled to feel differently
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                • Originally posted by cinotimz View Post

                  Yet you keep "insisting"...

                  And u keep creating others opinions in an effort to then "insist" otherwise

                  Just because u insist or say otherwise doesn't make it true...no matter how many times u do so..

                  Just because u say something doesn't compare....doesn't make it true..it's your opinion...it's neither right nor wrong...one should respect people's opinions and realize these are NOT clearly defined subjects such as whether something is black or white-regardless of how some might try to represent otherwise
                  Kylie is an idiot when it comes to alot of the things he says...myles is the same..these are my opinions...you're free to have an alternative one...what Myles says generally offends me more because unfortunately hes associated with something very near and dear to my heart and something ive invested a lot of time and resources in over more than 50 years...kyrie? I literally could give two ***** about him or anything having to do with him..but thats me..my opinion and the basis for such...everyone is different...and everyone is entititled to feel differently
                  Once again, you have every right to think that Myles is an idiot when it comes to a lot of the things he says. You can view Myles however you want to view him, it's your right. You just cannot compare what he said with what Kyrie did because that minimizes what Kyrie did. I will say it once again in order to be as clear as possible:

                  Kyrie used his platform to promote a movie that perpetuated anti-Semitic stereotypes. A movie that had a freaking Hitler quote in it. That's not an opinion. It is a fact.

                  We could argue about that Myles interview until we're blue in the face. One side can say how awful it was and how Myles should have never said what he did and express their disappointment and disdain for him. Others can just say "meh, I don't care". It is entirely subjective and everyone is entitled to feel differently.

                  The Kyrie thing isn't subjective, though. There is no arguing about the fact that the movie that Kyrie promoted was hateful propaganda.
                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                  • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                    ....
                    The Kyrie thing isn't subjective, though. There is no arguing about the fact that the movie that Kyrie promoted was hateful propaganda.
                    while I guess in theory most anything can be argued...we aren't supposed to be here to argue...but this is what u have a tendency to do...I don't recall anyone saying that the movie wasn't hateful propaganda...I know I sure as **** didn't....in fact I've trashed kyrie repeatedly...I don't think there's many bigger douchebags on the planet...

                    So why you arguing with yourself? With the things u say because noone else did...
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                    • Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                      while I guess in theory most anything can be argued...we aren't supposed to be here to argue...but this is what u have a tendency to do...I don't recall anyone saying that the movie wasn't hateful propaganda...I know I sure as **** didn't....in fact I've trashed kyrie repeatedly...I don't think there's many bigger douchebags on the planet...

                      So why you arguing with yourself? With the things u say because noone else did...
                      I'm not saying that you argued that the Kyrie movie isn't hateful propaganda.

                      My argument is this: There is no comparison between what Kyrie did (giving a platform to hateful propaganda) with what Myles said (that the Lakers should trade for him). The comparison between their actions is disingenuous at best.

                      There is a ton of other comments that you could bring up and that would make a good comparison for Myles' comments. You want to use PG's Jimmy Kimmel interview? Go for it. You want to bring up Dipo's "can I come play for you" comments to the Knicks, Raptors and Heat? Be my guest. You want to use a non-Pacer example? Knock yourself out. You could use any of these comments and make an accurate comparison.

                      But that's not what you did. You specifically brought up Kyrie because you wanted to attack another poster. Freddie Fan said the following:

                      Originally posted by Freddie fan View Post
                      But he said blah, blah, blah. Guess what? I don't care what Myles Turner said on some podcast. He's a 26-year-old NBA player and I already knew he isn't exactly Abraham Lincoln or Winston Churchill. All this concern about what he said and the various name calling and insults reminds me of the annoying kids in high school. Why act like that?
                      And your response to that was this:

                      Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                      I knew it...you are auditioning to be an internet shrink!!!!!

                      so you subscribe to the theory that they should all just shut up and dribble....because u dont care what they say...

                      got it...

                      lemme guess...ur a huge Kyrie fan too?
                      You brought up Kyrie completely unprovoked and tried to use it to attack another poster. And you also threw in a couple of ad hominems and other BS assumptions in there for good measure. Freddie Fan shared his opinion that he doesn't care what Myles Turner said on some podcast and called out the various name calling and insults that have taken place in this thread. You didn't like that and then proceeded to throw out more name calling and insults. You didn't respect Freddie Fan's opinion here, did you? You were the one doing all the arguing and being openly hostile in this exchange.
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                      • Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                        I'm not saying that you argued that the Kyrie movie isn't hateful propaganda.

                        My argument is this.
                        there u go AGAIN...

                        arguing with yourself...

                        in a pacer's forum designed to share and discuss opinions, im guessing most are not too interested in your incessant single-voice, self-created arguments...let alone when you put your words in other peoples mouths...

                        when you come up with an actual original opinion, please by all means, feel free to shout from the mountaintops if youre so inclined...

                        and you may want to consider joining a debate club ...theyre better suited to deal with your seeming craving to argue...and maybe there you can find someone other than yourself to do so with...and you can maybe even satisfy your apparent desire to WIN such arguments!!!!!!

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                        • Softner fanboys have lied to us again, acting like he really got better and took it to another level, bunch of liars, give me my money back
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                          • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Softner fanboys have lied to us again, acting like he really got better and took it to another level, bunch of liars, give me my money back
                            HIs performance these last 3 games...with so much on the line regarding some of the secondary storylines...alleging to be a team leader as they embark on their longest roadtrip in decades...and on his private stage he effectively created after his proclamations on the Woj podcast....just beyond woefully embarassing...

                            and likely crushed any meaningful trade value he might have developed with a couple of decent games scattered about the start of the season...
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                            • Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              Why haven't we cut this bum Turner? What are we waiting for? Nobody will trade for him.
                              the way its going...it may come to that
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                              • Myles Turner is the Danny White of Pacers basketball.

                                You'd have to be a bit of an obscure Dallas Cowboys fan, but the successor to Hall of Famer Roger Staubach was a guy named Danny White. His stats were unbelievable. Great passer, few interceptions, lots of touchdowns.

                                ... in the regular season.

                                When it mattered, Danny White always seemed to choke. But look at his stat line and he was better than the great finisher Roger Staubach.
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