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Woj: Celtics coach Ime Udoka facing possible suspension for violation of organizational guidelines

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
    From what I have read, that Boston pick is top 12 protected. So let’s hope Boston doesn’t slide too far this season.
    I think Boston has too much talent to fall that far. Hopefully though this will knock them down a bit. If that pick falls into the teens that would be a big win. Next draft season we'd get to listen to the pundits discuss how the Pacers got a decent pick in a loaded draft, and hopefully Brogdon will recover from his injuries soon.
    Danger Zone

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rogco View Post

      I think Boston has too much talent to fall that far. Hopefully though this will knock them down a bit. If that pick falls into the teens that would be a big win. Next draft season we'd get to listen to the pundits discuss how the Pacers got a decent pick in a loaded draft, and hopefully Brogdon will recover from his injuries soon.
      If Brown or Tatum (just one) stays away from injuries they will be a top 5 team in the east. If both stay healthy probably a lot better. We should not be worried.
      Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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      • #18
        I would be real surprised if he ever returned to Boston tbh

        https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ve-immediately


        Boston Celtics suspend coach Ime Udoka for 2022-23 season, effective immediately

        The Boston Celtics have suspended coach Ime Udoka for the 2022-23 season, the team announced Thursday night.

        The team cited violations of team policies in its announcement. Sources previously told ESPN that Udoka had an intimate relationship with a female member of the franchise's staff.

        The suspension is effective immediately, and a decision about Udoka's future with the Celtics will be made later, the team said.

        "I want to apologize to our players, fans, the entire Celtics organization, and my family for letting them down. I am sorry for putting the team in this difficult situation, and I accept the team's decision. Out of respect for everyone involved, I will have no further comment," Udoka said in a statement.

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        • #19
          Well, sounds like it goes further than just the hook-up:

          https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-investigation

          The Celtics suspended coach Ime Udoka for the upcoming season after a monthslong investigation by an external law firm that found multiple violations of team policies, team owner Wyc Grousbeck said Friday.
          I doubt that we'll ever hear the true details though. Regardless - moronic move(s).

          RYAN - any inside info ??

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          • #20
            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
            Well, sounds like it goes further than just the hook-up:

            https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-investigation



            I doubt that we'll ever hear the true details though. Regardless - moronic move(s).

            RYAN - any inside info ??
            I absolutely believe Udoka or people close to Udoka leaked this initially, not the Celtics. They leaked that it was a consensual relationship and he would be suspended for the season, when the reality appears to be much worse, to make him look better.

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            • #21
              The great and ancient slayer of men.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #22
                Wait, so Boston suspended their head coach for some kind of “abuse of power” thing involving a female staff member, and replaced him with a guy that was arrested for domestic abuse in 2009?

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                • #23
                  Any word yet on her suspension?


                  Name-calling signature removed

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                  • #24
                    ESPN: "Mazzulla's only head-coaching experience is two seasons at a Division II college, Fairmont State in West Virginia, before being hired by Stevens as an assistant in 2019." ....very Bjorkgren vibes

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                    • #25
                      https://www.si.com/nba/2022/09/23/im...-wyc-grousbeck

                      Ime Udoka’s Suspension Clouds Celtics’ Future
                      Boston leadership declined to elaborate on the nature of Udoka’s suspension, doing little to clarify a murky situation for an NBA title favorite.


                      Wyc Grousbeck looked shaken. Brad Stevens, too. Hours after the Celtics announced a season-long suspension for Ime Udoka, an unprecedented punishment for what the franchise termed “a violation of team policies,” the two most powerful men in Boston’s organization struggled over the course of a 28-minute press conference to explain why Udoka was no longer a part of it.

                      “It was a long, thorough process,” said Stevens. “Obviously it’s been a hard time.”

                      The Celtics issued a terse, three-sentence statement announcing Udoka’s suspension on Thursday. On Friday, they revealed little more. Grousbeck declined to delve into the team’s investigation of Udoka, citing privacy reasons. He said the Celtics learned of an issue with Udoka over the summer and that the team has hired an outside legal firm to investigate. The investigation, Grousbeck said, “had some twists and turns” before revealing “a volume of violations.” He said Udoka’s suspension will run through June 30—but made no commitments to Udoka coming back.

                      “We haven’t made any decision about going forward,” Grousbeck said. “I don’t have a substantive answer to that.”

                      What a mess.


                      It’s impossible to overstate Udoka’s impact on the team’s success last season. He was the architect of the NBA’s top-rated defense. His pointed—and often public—criticisms were an energizing cudgel for a team that badly needed to be clobbered by one. Under Udoka, Jayson Tatum regained his All-NBA status, Grant Williams developed into a reliable rotation player and Marcus Smart won Defensive Player of the Year. Robert Williams III, after having his toughness questioned by Udoka early in the season, dragged an aching left knee around for two months in the playoffs.


                      The players deserve the bulk of the credit for Boston’s trip to the Finals. Udoka deserves plenty of it, too.

                      And now he’s gone.

                      Was a season-long suspension necessary? Grousbeck believes so. “I personally feel this is well-warranted and appropriate and backed by substantial research and facts,” he said.

                      Udoka’s violation, multiple sources told Sports Illustrated, was what Boston deemed an inappropriate relationship with a female staffer. But we don’t know how it started, how it ended or what happened to bring it to the front office’s attention—and how all of that may have impacted the punishment. The Celtics, for now, are not saying.

                      “I want to apologize to our players, fans, the entire Celtics organization, and my family for putting the team in this difficult situation,” Udoka said in a statement. “I accept the team’s decision. Out of respect for everyone involved, I will have no further comment.”

                      Ime Udoka
                      Udoka will miss the entire season after having an inappropriate relationship with a female staffer.

                      What was Udoka thinking? If nothing else, he had to know a relationship with a subordinate—and as head coach, anyone outside of the upper reaches of the front office is a subordinate—was dangerous. In a lengthy interview with SI last week, Udoka expressed excitement about the Celtics’ season. He raved about the addition of Malcolm Brogdon and opened up about the new wrinkles in the game plan he hoped would spark Boston’s late-game offense. “We want to hit the ground running,” Udoka told me. Now he has to wonder whether he will ever be back.


                      What were the Celtics thinking? This has hardly been a clinic on crisis management. ESPN, which aired Friday’s press conference under a flashing banner “UDOKA UNDER FIRE,” as if Udoka were taking heat for a five-game losing streak and not serious allegations of misconduct, first reported a Udoka problem Wednesday evening with The Athletic revealing key details—specifically the improper relationship with a staffer—hours later. A full day passed before Boston announced Udoka’s suspension, which allowed social media sleuths to ID every woman who works in the organization and baselessly connect several of them to the story. On Friday, Stevens’s voice cracked as he reflected on how the women working for the team have been treated.

                      “Nobody can control Twitter speculation, rampant bulls---,” said Stevens. “But I do think that we as an organization have a responsibility to make sure we’re there to support them now, because a lot of people were dragged unfairly into that.”

                      What, now, is Stevens thinking? The Celtics will name Joe Mazzulla interim head coach, Stevens confirmed. Mazzulla, 34, is considered a rising star in the coaching ranks, a candidate for the Jazz job last summer—a job that, ironically, went to Will Hardy, Udoka’s lead assistant—who played a key role in developing the Celtics’ defense last season. But Mazzulla is young, with three years of NBA coaching experience and two years as a head coach, at Division II Fairmont State, in the college ranks. Asking him to take over a title contender is a tall order.


                      Did Stevens consider coaching the team himself? Grousbeck said there was a discussion about it. “A brief one,” Grousbeck said. Stevens was more defiant. He called Mazzulla “the best choice by a long shot.” He said Mazzulla, who spent two seasons on Stevens’s staff, “is an exceptionally sharp and talented person.” As to Mazzulla’s own checkered past—he was arrested twice while in college at West Virginia, including once, in 2009, for domestic battery stemming from an incident at a bar—Stevens claimed to have no issues with Mazzulla’s character. "That shaped him into who he is today, and in a good way,” Stevens said. “He is 110% accountable for that. I believe in him.”

                      Still, the most qualified coach in Boston now is Stevens. He’s just a year removed from ending his own successful eight-year run on Boston’s bench. He knows the players. He knows the staff. As basketball minds go, Stevens is brilliant. Perhaps Stevens sees something in Mazzulla. Grousbeck called Mazzulla “passionate,” praising his energy. Stevens did hire Udoka, who was far from an obvious choice. But if the Celtics struggle early, the pressure will build for Stevens to rejoin the bench.

                      For months Boston has ranked among the betting favorites to win an NBA championship. It has been compared favorably to Milwaukee and Philadelphia, penciled into Finals matchups with the Warriors and Clippers. And maybe the team will still get there. But the Celtics who hoped to pick up where last season left off is in need of a new leader to steer them. Udoka was critical to Boston’s success last season. We’ll soon learn whether his absence will impact this one.


                      “This will be an unbelievable challenge,” Stevens said. “But I’m really confident in the team and coaching staff that’s going to take the court on Tuesday.”

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Banta View Post
                        Any word yet on her suspension?
                        Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

                        It is common practice for executives at certain levels to have a clause that does not allow fraternizing with subordinates.

                        You can argue all you want that it takes two to tango but the bottom line is when you sign those contracts you know darn well those rules are in place

                        One theory I heard last night (or maybe I read it on twitter, IDR) was that Udoka or his camp leaked the story a day early to make it not sound as bad. Stories started coming out yesterday that while this was consensual the other party continued to receive unwanted advances (or something to that effect). The Celtics hired a law firm to investigate after the complaints were made - which screams of CYA mode by the organization

                        It’s hard to say what’s true and what’s not - and due to the embarrassment factor I imagine the Celtics will keep everything as hush hush as possible.

                        All that to say, ignoring the personal choice of cheating on a significant other, there is zero reason to suspend/punish the other party in this case.

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                        • #27
                          This is all allegedly

                          https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-i...ick-lynch/?amp

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post

                            Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

                            It is common practice for executives at certain levels to have a clause that does not allow fraternizing with subordinates.

                            You can argue all you want that it takes two to tango but the bottom line is when you sign those contracts you know darn well those rules are in place

                            One theory I heard last night (or maybe I read it on twitter, IDR) was that Udoka or his camp leaked the story a day early to make it not sound as bad. Stories started coming out yesterday that while this was consensual the other party continued to receive unwanted advances (or something to that effect). The Celtics hired a law firm to investigate after the complaints were made - which screams of CYA mode by the organization

                            It’s hard to say what’s true and what’s not - and due to the embarrassment factor I imagine the Celtics will keep everything as hush hush as possible.

                            All that to say, ignoring the personal choice of cheating on a significant other, there is zero reason to suspend/punish the other party in this case.

                            They're probably asking because if this is a consensual affair between two people who work there and are colleagues it would be believed they were following the same rules. Unless she's connected to someone higher up in the organization and the rules don't apply to her(which is a rumor I've heard about this). I see why people are wondering this..

                            If it wasn't consensual? Why not just fire him(which I'm sure they will anyways but suspending him is more about making sure other teams won't hire him for the season).

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                            • #29
                              Has there ever been anyone who has been the head coach for both the Celtics and Lakers? If not, I suspect there soon will be.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                                Has there ever been anyone who has been the head coach for both the Celtics and Lakers? If not, I suspect there soon will be.
                                I wish that for my enemies yes please.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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