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Is Myles Turner Worth it? Or do our other Big Men need to step up their game?

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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ozys Nepimpis View Post
    The Lakers‘ trade talks with the Pacers continued this week, but they’re not willing to meet Indiana’s demand of two unprotected first-round picks, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic (video link). The Pacers have been seen as a possible destination for Russell Westbrook, with L.A. hoping to land Myles Turner and Buddy Hield in return. The Lakers only have two first-rounders that they can offer — in 2027 and 2029 — and Charania expects the team to be cautious about moving them. He points out that L.A. has a “long runway” with Westbrook and can wait to see how the season plays out rather than rushing into a deal. Pacers general manager Chad Buchanan said earlier today that he expects Turner to be with the team when the season begins.
    Pacers have a long runway with Hield and Turner. They could both fetch 1st rd picks. All be it high 20's. Westbrook has negative trade value. You'd have to add a 1st just to get rid of him. Lakers gotta pay the man.
    Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!


    • #47
      With Pacers embracing rebuild, Myles Turner’s days in Indiana are numbered: Kravitz

      By Bob Kravitz
      Sep 27, 2022


      The Indiana Pacers’ training camp begins today, and at last check, Myles Turner is still a member of the team.

      That’s news. It’s news if he’s here, and it’s news if he’s not here, although the news now is he’s basically in trade-block purgatory. There were countless times in recent months that he’s been headed to Los Angeles, maybe alongside Buddy Hield, maybe not. There are countless permutations of the deal, but in the end, Turner was supposed to be anywhere but Indiana by now.

      So what I’m saying is, by the time I’m done writing this sentence, Turner may be gone.

      Refresh Twitter. Check Shams.

      Nope, nothing yet.

      This much we know to be true: Turner’s days in Indiana are numbered, which is both mildly sad and perfectly understandable. He needs/wants out, and Indiana is moving in a new direction. Everybody’s on the same page. He will be a free agent at season’s end, and he’s not staying in Indiana, his home for the past seven years. There’s no black hat or white hat here, not like there was with some other Pacers stars — Paul George, Victor Oladipo — who’ve demanded out of Indiana. Turner gave the Pacers seven good years, and at this point, heading into his eighth season, both sides have made it clear the relationship is not going to last.

      To his credit, he’s never asked out, never made a trade demand, never did anything but provide the Pacers with his best efforts. He was — well, is — the most proficient shot blocker in the league, at least on a per-game basis. He’s not a big scorer (12.7 points per game) and not much of a rebounder for a player his size (6.7 rebounds per game); maybe those numbers will increase given a full-time role at the five spot. But it’s been seven years; he is who he is: a good, not great, player. He’s a guy who dug deep roots into the community, was a professional and, by any standards, a really important piece for the franchise.

      Even when the Pacers made a low-percentage run at PhoenixDeandre Ayton, extending the restricted free agent an offer sheet, Turner took the high road.

      He did the same thing on the team’s media day when I asked him about the elephant in the room, his future in Indiana.

      “This is the only time I will be addressing it this year; I want to make sure everyone knows that,” Turner said. “Yeah, the elephant in the room. This is my eighth season. I’ve been in trade rumors the past four of five years, so it’s something that I’m numb to. It’s something that it’s just whatever comes with the business. There are no hard feelings in this business. You have to take the emotions out of everything, and I’ve learned that at a young age, and I still hold true to that. My job is to come in here and help these young guys now.”

      For the time being, anyway.

      As we mentioned a time or two, he’s a free agent at year’s end. A failure to deal him before the trade deadline would be management malpractice, which is why it will happen in due time – like, maybe in the next 10 minutes. The Pacers aren’t going to lose him for nothing.

      At last check, the issue now is whether the Lakers will part with the second future first-round pick (2029) along with the 2027 first-rounder. It would seem to make sense that you’d want to maximize the window you have with LeBron James and Anthony Davis as opposed to waiting until 2029, but I’m not Rob Pelinka.

      Refresh Twitter. Check Shams.

      Still nothing.

      It’s a matter of time, and honestly, the sooner, the better. The Pacers are in full rebuild mode — team president Kevin Pritchard hates that word, but it’s a whole lot better than “tank” — and the more minutes the team can devote to its younger players, the better.

      While Phoenix’s Jae Crowder has chosen to skip training camp with trade talks involving him ongoing, Turner is present and accounted for, and for a very good reason: As a free-agent-to-be, he has every motivation to play his best basketball, showing the league he can be a difference-maker while playing the full-time five, something he couldn’t do with Domantas Sabonis around. Turner will play hard, and he will play well; it’s the way Turner is wired. And there’s a very lucrative carrot at the end of the stick.

      It’s not like he’s some old, grizzled, ring-chasing veteran, but at this point, there’s little reason for Turner, the No. 11 pick in 2015, to embrace a complete rebuild with a team that is incredibly young. The future involves Tyrese Haliburton, Bennedict Mathurin, Chris Duarte, Andrew Nembhard, Isaiah Jackson and others, so the sooner the Pacers make a deal and clear out minutes for the young guys, the better.

      When coach Rick Carlisle was hired to return to Indiana, it was thought that he had a team on the cusp of doing something special, but injuries, followed by more injuries and a few more on top of that, scuttled all those plans. So the Pacers did something Pritchard has been wanting to do for some time now, and they blew it up. Give owner Herb Simon credit too; he’s always wanted his teams to be competitive at the very worst. He believed in producing the best team possible even if there existed a limited ceiling. Not anymore. He’s bought in.

      “Coming back here, it looked like it (the job) was going to be one thing, but the fact it’s taken this kind of turn is very exciting to me,” Carlisle said. “I’m not worried about things like my personal record; that’s not what this is about. Every job, you’ve got to find a way to make it better, and my relationship with the Pacers goes back to ’97, another situation where people thought that team was pretty much done and we went on a three-year run. What we’re doing here is resetting the culture, the spirit and the attitude.”

      Again, it’s a rebuild, and hallelujah for that. After constantly trying to contend, the result, at least in recent years, is a team that’s just good enough to reach the playoffs — or the Play-In — but never quite lousy enough to earn a top draft choice.

      That, however, is changing.

      Not only did the Pacers select Mathurin with the No. 6 pick, the franchise’s first top-nine pick since 1989 (George McCloud at No. 7), but they are likely to have three first-rounders next year. Better yet, it figures to be an absurdly deep draft, one that features seven or eight franchise-changing prospects, according to Pritchard.

      At No. 1, there’s Victor Wembanyama, the 7-foot-3 Frenchman who has the whole league salivating. Could the Pacers get that fortunate? History says no — heck, no — but you can’t deny they’re due for a big break.

      Refresh Twitter. Check Shams.

      Nope. No Turner trade yet.

      When Pritchard looks around the league, his eyes focus on the Memphis Grizzlies, a franchise that went about as far as it possibly could, then cleared the decks, struggled badly, built with youth and hit the jackpot with No. 2 pick Ja Morant. Now they’re a serious contender.

      The Pacers won’t call it “The Process,” but it will come with some competitive pain. Indiana won 25 games last season, and nobody would be shocked if they won quite a bit fewer this year. But this franchise isn’t in the business of making the Play-In Tournament, not this soon, anyway. After years and years of trying to rebuild on the fly, only to get undermined by injuries and other tribulations, the Pacers have embraced the suck. Will this market embrace them? Yes, it will, as long as they play hard and show improvement and provide the fan base with reason for hope.

      Carlisle made it clear he has no specific expectations for the number of wins the Pacers will amass, but he will look for incremental improvement and hope his team passes “the eye test.” This is about a future they hope is not all that far away.

      A future that won’t involve Turner, their longest-tenured player.

      Refreshes Twitter. Checks Shams.

      Nope. Not yet. But it’s coming.
      Related listening


      • #48
        for all his faults, he's not bad. however, is he worth 20 mil for what he gives you?
        I'd vote no.


        • #49
          If the Pacers truly have been looking to move him and have been for a couple of years, I'm not sure I believe they have been myself but let's assume. Could they have done a worse job than what they have done right now?

          He has all and I mean all of the leverage right now. Whatever team they are going to try and make a deal with Myles absolutely has to approve of or simply put he just does not sign with them. Any team trading for him knows this so anyone in their right mind is not going to give up anything of any real value for him. As an example I thought this summer of a trade between Pacers and Raptors for Turner for Anunoby, which could just be done straight up because of us being below salary floor/cap. However I have serious doubts that Myles would be willing to go to Toronto thus wiping out the one real trade where we got anything of real value back.

          My guess is that we are going to get stuck with getting back a highly protected first round pick and 2 or 3 second round picks and we will claim we got back multiple picks for Myles.

          Or if truth were told I doubt we trade him at all and end up either overpaying for him or watching him walk and get nothing, neither are particularly good options.

          BTW, I blame none of this on Myles. This is all on the front office for either not really wanting to move him but also not extend him or not truly understanding his real value around the NBA.

          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


          • #50
            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            If the Pacers truly have been looking to move him and have been for a couple of years, I'm not sure I believe they have been myself but let's assume. Could they have done a worse job than what they have done right now?

            This is all on the front office for either not really wanting to move him but also not extend him or not truly understanding his real value around the NBA.
            This 100%. They truly botched this and I believe it is because they overvalued him. I'm still hoping he gets traded this off season and the Pacers don't wait until the trade deadline. Waiting until the deadline means the only teams trading for him are in playoff contention, which in turn means a very late first round pick at the most.

            Unfortunately I feel we either end up with a couple second rounders, or get nothing at all and he walks.
            I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.


            • #51
              Kravitz is projecting. He wants Myles gone as much as the rest of us.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


              • #52
                The cognitive dissonance of "the FO overvalues Turner" vs. "Turner will have to be sent out for low value" always kills me.

                "The FO wasn't willing to trade Myles for anything less than a first rounder or cap space, so they'll have to settle for second rounders or letting him go for his cap space..."

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                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


                • #53
                  Originally posted by BillS View Post
                  The cognitive dissonance of "the FO overvalues Turner" vs. "Turner will have to be sent out for low value" always kills me.
                  It's not cognitive dissonance when the first line of thinking (FO overvalued him) has now led to the other (getting low return) being the only option. The FO overvalued Turner in the past when they had opportunities to get decent value for him. Now they are at the end of his contract, which has led to them having to decide between getting a low value return or letting him walk for nothing.

                  I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.


                  • #54
                    If the team can get a grab bag of 2nd round picks for Myles and Buddy, they should do it immediately.

                    Keeping these guys on the roster to start the year is bad for many reasons. The longer we keep these two, the more games we win, dropping our odds in the lottery. Every game they are here, there's a chance one of them gets hurt, and loses all trade value. One or both guys could have a bad start to the year, and teams aren't going to up their offer for a slumping player.

                    Holding onto them now is betting on everything going perfectly. Both guys stay healthy and play well, a team (or multiple teams) emerges early in the year that wants these guys. All for what, a 2026 1st round pick from a good team. Who cares? Take what you can get and move on!


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by The Sleeze View Post

                      , which has led to them having to decide between getting a low value return or letting him walk for nothing.
                      Why is that the only two options? You guys only listen to what you want to hear, don’t you


                      • #56
                        Hmmm, I deleted my post because I thought it had shown up twice in the thread. So.....I think there is nothing to be gained by trading Turner at this point. I don't believe the Pacers have been trying to move Turner. They have been listening to other teams make offers but I don't believe they have been aggressively marketing him. I'm in favor of seeing how he fits in with the new players, and style that we Pacers will have this year. If he doesn't then move him at the trade deadline, if he does, the sign him to a new contract.


                        • #57
                          Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
                          Hmmm, I deleted my post because I thought it had shown up twice in the thread. So.....I think there is nothing to be gained by trading Turner at this point. I don't believe the Pacers have been trying to move Turner. They have been listening to other teams make offers but I don't believe they have been aggressively marketing him. I'm in favor of seeing how he fits in with the new players, and style that we Pacers will have this year. If he doesn't then move him at the trade deadline, if he does, the sign him to a new contract.
                          We know exactly how he will fit. Myles is probably the most predictable player in the league. He scores between 12 and 13 ppg on roughly 49% FG%, 6 to 7 rpg, and lots of blocks. The only variance for him from year-to-year is how well he shoots the 3.


                          • #58
                            Why hasn't Myles Turner been cut? He hasn't been traded because nobody wants him. He's a bum! Biggest player on the court is terrified of playing in the post. We need to get this soft diva far the hell away from our young players.
                            Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                              We know exactly how he will fit. Myles is probably the most predictable player in the league. He scores between 12 and 13 ppg on roughly 49% FG%, 6 to 7 rpg, and lots of blocks. The only variance for him from year-to-year is how well he shoots the 3.
                              Well, he's never played with a good point guard before, he's been played out of position for the last several years and stuck in the corner on offense. The only thing I'm concerned about is that he improve his rebounding. Scoring will probably stay the same since we have so many scorers at other positions. We can talk all we want, but only time will tell who's right. Go Pacers!


                              • #60
                                I don't see this ending well unless he makes a significant jump in production this season (which is unlikely). Holding onto a disgruntled player and naming him captain of a rebuilding team doesn't make much sense to me. I predict there'll be a locker room problem because of this decision at some point during the season.

                                Hope I'm wrong and he takes a jump in production and everything works out for both parties here.