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  • #61
    Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post

    I disagree.
    I agree with your disagreeing.

    That team was exactly that - a well built TEAM. One of those 'sum is greater than the parts' teams. Each player complemented the other and it was strong 7-8 deep. Build a similar team around Myles (or any center) and he'll look pretty good too.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
      Turner is lazy and goes on trips to Africa etc instead of working on his game-hence why hes never developed...
      Is the guy not allowed a vacation?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
        Smits outplayed Ewing in the 1995 playoffs and then had a very solid showing against Shaq in the ECF’s that same year. Smits was a beast before the feet trouble. Turner can’t sniff the prime of Smits.
        You are literally making the point, lol. Smits was 28 in the 95 playoffs. Half the fans wanted to get rid of him prior to this “prime”.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

          Is the guy not allowed a vacation?
          the guy has been on vacation for the last 2 years...and one could argue the previous 3....

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          • #65
            They both sucked at rebounding.

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            • #66
              This is just such a weird *** tangent anyway. Let's just for funsies assume that Myles is in fact better than Rik Smits so we can indulge this line of thinking. So ****ing what!?!?!?! So we let a guy who is better than Rik walk for nothing while contributing unwanted wins during a tanking season? I swear some of you guys get so freaking caught up in the tween drama of name calling and simping that you miss the entire point. Let the man go be free to be better than Rik and play on a team where he can hit "The Shot" and be beloved by fans and let us head towards our inevitable future with something to show for it.

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              • #67
                Pacers fans Do Not deserve Myles...he sacrificed enough for the team...let him go to the contender to prove that he is All Star level talent....and we should expect Gobert level return for our DPOY level star .

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                • #68
                  People are also overrating Smits due to nostalgia. Guy was on a perennial ECF team and barely made one all star game. How does that warrant comparison to Ewing or Shaq?

                  His rebounding was absolutely putrid at times. He was 7'4 and was a worse rebounder than Myles.

                  He was also just frustrating to watch half the time. He was super sluggish a lot of the time and just watched others grab rebounds without any hustle. He is one of the laziest players I've ever seen when it comes to fighting for rebounds. Not a good quality for your Center in the 90s. He was fortunate to have the Davis brothers pick up his slack in this regard.

                  He also fouled constantly. He could block some shots, but Myles is a way better defender.

                  He had a nice hook shot and eventually a deadly jumper. When he was hot, he was a real weapon.

                  You guys are overrating him though. He was a sub all-star level player. I don't love Myles. But Smits was not that much better when take defense into consideration.

                  Smits was probably top 40 player most years, which isn't that far ahead of Turner.

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                  Last edited by pacers_heath; 08-04-2022, 08:10 AM.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Wage View Post
                    This is just such a weird *** tangent anyway. Let's just for funsies assume that Myles is in fact better than Rik Smits so we can indulge this line of thinking. So ****ing what!?!?!?! So we let a guy who is better than Rik walk for nothing while contributing unwanted wins during a tanking season? I swear some of you guys get so freaking caught up in the tween drama of name calling and simping that you miss the entire point. Let the man go be free to be better than Rik and play on a team where he can hit "The Shot" and be beloved by fans and let us head towards our inevitable future with something to show for it.
                    What are you talking about? Nobody is saying that Myles is better than Rik, where are you seeing this? This isn’t the conversation that anybody is having.

                    A few people have commented that if we had dumped Rik before 95, we would have missed out on some great seasons from him. If we draft a 19 year old center, and then dump them after three seasons because he isn’t an all-star yet, and get another 19 year-old center… you see how this can become a problem? What if Tyrese isn’t all-nba by his third season here? Dump him for a 19 year old. Heck, you think OKC should move on from SGA because he is an old has-been player. Just keep playing teenagers, as that is the only way to show that you are trying.

                    Myles is 26 years old. Some of you are insanely obsessed with age, it is crazy.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                      What are you talking about? Nobody is saying that Myles is better than Rik, where are you seeing this? This isn’t the conversation that anybody is having.

                      A few people have commented that if we had dumped Rik before 95, we would have missed out on some great seasons from him. If we draft a 19 year old center, and then dump them after three seasons because he isn’t an all-star yet, and get another 19 year-old center… you see how this can become a problem? What if Tyrese isn’t all-nba by his third season here? Dump him for a 19 year old. Heck, you think OKC should move on from SGA because he is an old has-been player. Just keep playing teenagers, as that is the only way to show that you are trying.

                      Myles is 26 years old. Some of you are insanely obsessed with age, it is crazy.
                      Rik was brought up as a reason we shouldn't let Myles go, then people started comparing them as players. My point is that its a silly discussion as it relates to this topic. Myles being better or worse than Rik has no impact on the argument of if he should be traded or not. People want to turn this into a "Myles is great and his haters suck vs Myles sucks and his fans are dumb" argument because that is the easy argument where you don't have to actually engage in rational thinking.

                      Not sure what you brought up trading Halliburton after 3 years? Myles has been here more than twice that long. Or Haliburton making all-nba soon? Do you think Turner is going to be all-nba soon? Or is your point that we should never trade anyone because the future is magical and unknown?

                      Again, this is all pretty simple I think. Turner is a good player. His ceiling is being a good role player and the role he provides can be a valuable role to a good team. We are not a good team. The role he provides to our team is to block the growth of the young guys, take up resources that could be used elsewhere, and provide wins to a team where wins are a detriment to our short and long term goals. I also believe it is likely he will look for opportunities elsewhere next year, so not only is he a short term detriment to the growth of the team, but there is no long term upside.

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                      • #71
                        watch myles be on the team and still only put up 12 and 7

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by MrHale View Post
                          watch myles be on the team and still only put up 12 and 7
                          I'd be shocked if he averaged anything different.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Wage View Post

                            Rik was brought up as a reason we shouldn't let Myles go, then people started comparing them as players. My point is that its a silly discussion as it relates to this topic. Myles being better or worse than Rik has no impact on the argument of if he should be traded or not. People want to turn this into a "Myles is great and his haters suck vs Myles sucks and his fans are dumb" argument because that is the easy argument where you don't have to actually engage in rational thinking.

                            Not sure what you brought up trading Halliburton after 3 years? Myles has been here more than twice that long. Or Haliburton making all-nba soon? Do you think Turner is going to be all-nba soon? Or is your point that we should never trade anyone because the future is magical and unknown?

                            Again, this is all pretty simple I think. Turner is a good player. His ceiling is being a good role player and the role he provides can be a valuable role to a good team. We are not a good team. The role he provides to our team is to block the growth of the young guys, take up resources that could be used elsewhere, and provide wins to a team where wins are a detriment to our short and long term goals. I also believe it is likely he will look for opportunities elsewhere next year, so not only is he a short term detriment to the growth of the team, but there is no long term upside.
                            If Myles is a good player and can fill a role on a good team, then why don’t we hold onto him. Do you think we are going to be a bad team for ten years?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                              If Myles is a good player and can fill a role on a good team, then why don’t we hold onto him. Do you think we are going to be a bad team for ten years?
                              I hope not, but Myles won't be in the league in 10 years so its kinda a moot point really.

                              Ok, I know you are exaggerating so let me address what I think you are actually meaning. Lets just assume for a second that Pritchard stops hanging out on the beach and chasing whatever new crypto scam is on the horizon and reads "How to be a GM for Dummies". In this made up world the Pacers are on a rocket ship of unlikely success and luck and in 3 years we are competing in games that have actual value (unlikely, but for fun we will pretend). Let's also assume that Myles decided to take a contract extension with the team that is both rebuilding during his prime and has also been trying to trade and replace him for the last 5 years (also wildly unlikely, but again we will pretend). In this almost perfect and magical scenario the upside I guess is now that we have paid a guy probably an additional $75ish million dollars to inhibit the growth of our team in the hopes that he can now be a role player coming up on 30 going into a soon to be expiring deal. Call me crazy but by this point in our future I would rather have those unprotected Lakers picks coming up and that $75 million and all those wasted developmental minutes back. Its just a ton to invest in a role player for a team that may not even need a guy in that role anymore by then.

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                              • #75
                                https://hoopshype.com/lists/trade-va...rs-in-the-nba/


                                Trade Value Rankings: The Top 20 centers in the NBA


                                1
                                Nikola Jokic (Denver)

                                Isaiah J. Downing-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $303,037,803 till 2027-28
                                2021/22 stats: 27.1 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 7.9 apg, 58.3 FG%, 33.7 3P%
                                Agent: Jeff Schwartz

                                Jokic’s immense value was put to the ultimate test when he propped up a team of mostly role players last season to nearly 50 wins in a stacked conference. His game should age well over the length of the supermax contract he signed, which means he could still return a ransom should the Nuggets decide to trade him down the line.

                                2
                                Joel Embiid (Philadelphia)

                                Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $229,538,370 till 2026-27
                                2021/22 stats: 30.6 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.2 apg, 49.9 FG%, 37.1 3P%

                                The two-time MVP runner-up has so much equity in Philadelphia, they probably still wouldn’t consider trading Embiid even if some of his previous injuries start resurfacing into something long-term. He would probably be a little higher on this list if not for his health history.

                                3
                                Karl-Anthony Towns (Minnesota)

                                Christine Tannous-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $293,849,600 till 2027-28
                                2021/22 stats: 24.6 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 3.6 apg, 52.9 FG%, 41.0 3P%
                                Agent: Jessica Holtz

                                Had Towns not signed the supermax extension, the Wolves might have been looking to trade him this offseason. He likely would’ve commanded a Harden-to-the-Nets level haul.

                                4
                                Bam Adebayo (Miami)

                                (AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee)

                                Guaranteed money left: $134,896,800 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 19.1 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 3.4 apg, 55.7 FG%
                                Agent: Alex Saratsis

                                Adebayo being this high while being a center on a maximum contract is a testament to how impactful a defender he is. He is the ideal type of big man a team would want to compete at the highest levels, and that makes him virtually untradeable.
                                5
                                Rudy Gobert (Minnesota)

                                Jeffrey Swinger-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $169,655,173 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 15.6 ppg, 14.7 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 71.3 FG%
                                Agent: Bouna Ndiaye

                                Despite the doubts on his viability in the playoffs, Gobert is still a generational defender who netted the Jazz multiple talented young players and four unprotected future first-round picks.
                                6
                                Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento)

                                Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $37,900,000 till 2023-24
                                2021/22 stats: 18.9 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 5.2 apg, 57.3 FG%, 31.2 3P%
                                Agent: Greg Lawrence

                                Sabonis’s value was thought to be equivalent to the two first-round picks and talented young player the Magic originally received for Nikola Vucevic. The Kings should be able to extract a similar package should they suddenly decide to pivot from him.
                                7
                                Jarrett Allen (Cleveland)

                                Benny Sieu-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $80,000,000 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 16.1 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 1.6 apg, 67.7 FG%, 10.0 3P%
                                Agent: Jim Tanner and Derrick Powell

                                Allen is now worth way more than the late first-round pick Cleveland gave up to acquire him. If the Cavaliers decide to trade him down the line, they should be able to receive multiple first-round picks for him, especially at his reasonable $20 million annual salary.
                                8
                                Deandre Ayton (Phoenix)

                                (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin)

                                Guaranteed money left: $132,929,125 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 17.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.4 apg, 63.4 FG%, 36.8 3P%
                                Agent: Bill Duffy and Nima Namakian

                                Ayton’s trade value should remain high going forward, even after getting the maximum contract he was seeking since the last offseason. He has proven to be one of the most viable centers for the playoffs.
                                9
                                Robert Williams (Boston)

                                David Richard-USA TODAY Sports

                                Guaranteed money left: $48,892,860 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 10.0 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.0 apg, 73.6 FG%
                                Agent: Kevin Bradbury

                                Williams’ value is intriguing to gauge. On one hand, he’s been invaluable for the Celtics in their Finals run and will to earn just over the mid-level exception. At the same time, his availability has been poor, and he’s missed time at the worst possible stretches. If he continues to improve and plays in enough games, he could be 20 spots or so higher on this list.
                                10
                                Nikola Vucevic (Chicago)

                                (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

                                Guaranteed money left: $22,000,000 till 2022-23
                                2021/22 stats: 17.6 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 3.2 apg, 47.3 FG%, 31.4 3P%
                                Agent: Bill Duffy

                                Vucevic had quite the down season, especially from the three-point line, as he struggled to get his shot going with his new team. His value might not ever get to the level of return Chicago originally gave up to get him, but a bounce-back season could get him closer to it.
                                11
                                Myles Turner (Indiana)

                                (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

                                Guaranteed money left: $18,000,000 till 2022-23
                                2021/22 stats: 12.9 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 2.8 bpg, 50.9 FG%, 33.3 3P%
                                Agent: Bill Duffy

                                Indiana could be open to moving Turner right now if the right offer comes along. A handful of teams like Charlotte, Dallas, Toronto, and the Lakers could use him, which would create a bidding war for him.
                                12
                                Jakob Poeltl (San Antonio)

                                (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

                                Guaranteed money left: $9,398,148 till 2022-23
                                2021/22 stats: 13.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.8 apg, 61.8 FG%
                                Agent: Michael Tellem

                                Poeltl garnered a lot of trade interest during the trade deadline after elevating himself to being one of the league’s better rim protectors. He is due for a raise soon with his contract running out, and it will be interesting to see if the Spurs want to pay him or potentially trade him with a year left on his deal.
                                13
                                Jonas Valanciunas (New Orleans)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $30,135,000 till 2023-24
                                2021/22 stats: 17.8 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 54.4 FG%, 36.1 3P%
                                Agent: Aaron Mintz

                                Valanciunas is another player the Pelicans acquired who is already worth more than the price they traded to get him, especially now that he’s under team control for another two years. If New Orleans decided to make an upgrade at center, he could be the centerpiece of that trade package along with some draft picks.
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                                Clint Capela (Atlanta)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $62,588,176 till 2024-25
                                2021/22 stats: 11.1 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 1.3 bpg, 61.3 FG%
                                Agent: Darren ‘Mats’ Matsubara

                                Capela should be much higher on this list should he regain his 2020-21 form. There is no rush to trade him now, but he could be available down the line when Onyeka Okungwu is due for an extension, assuming he develops into a starter.
                                15
                                Alperen Sengun (Houston)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $6,590,040 till 2022-23
                                2021/22 stats: 9.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.6 apg, 47.4 FG%, 24.8 3P%
                                Agent: Sean Kennedy

                                Sengun will have the keys to the frontcourt now that the Rockets traded Christian Wood. Perhaps this season he will make a leap that gets him closer to bring the lottery-level talent many projected him to be.
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                                Jusuf Nurkic (Portland)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $70,000,000 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 15.0 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 53.5 FG%, 26.8 3P%
                                Agent: Rich Paul
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                                Bobby Portis (Milwaukee)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $48,578,208 till 2025-26
                                2021/22 stats: 14.6 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.2 apg, 47.19 FG%, 39.3 3P%
                                Agent: Mark Bartelstein
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                                Christian Wood (Dallas)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $14,317,459 till 2022-23
                                2021/22 stats: 17.9 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.3 apg, 50.1 FG%, 39.0 3P%
                                Agent: Adam Pensack
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                                Al Horford (Boston)

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                                Guaranteed money left: $26,500,000 till 2022-23
                                2021/22 stats: 10.2 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 3.4 apg, 46.7 FG%, 33.6 3P%
                                Agent: Jason Glushon
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                                Jonathan Isaac (Orlando)

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