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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Originally posted by Wage View Post

    I'm not sure where you are seeing hindsight or speculation. We know exactly what happened and that is that we drafted the best player available who went on to have a really great career. And we also know that it ultimately didn't matter. Duarte may be the same thing but if we don't get a superstar in here very very soon, again it won't matter.
    So only one team per year matters. Danny Granger’s career didn’t matter. Charles Barkley didn’t matter. Patrick Ewing didn’t matter.

    Most people don’t have your viewpoint of Championship or suck. There is some space in between.

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    • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

      So only one team per year matters. Danny Granger’s career didn’t matter. Charles Barkley didn’t matter. Patrick Ewing didn’t matter.

      Most people don’t have your viewpoint of Championship or suck. There is some space in between.
      Yeah Danny's career ultimately didn't matter. Charles is different as he was an all time great. Look I'm not going to tell you how to be a fan. If you just want a team of dudes that try thier best against the mean old rigged NBA, then do you. I personally need my team to either be at least competing for a championship or making moves with that in mind. They could never win one in my lifetime and I would be fine but when I see them not even make it a goal, it upsets me.

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      • Originally posted by Wage View Post
        . . . against the mean old rigged NBA. . . . .
        If it's rigged as you say - why bother making moves to compete ?? By your logic - your team isn't going to win anyway. Where do you draw a line between 'trying' and 'at least competing' ??

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        • Originally posted by Wage View Post

          Yeah Danny's career ultimately didn't matter. Charles is different as he was an all time great. Look I'm not going to tell you how to be a fan. If you just want a team of dudes that try thier best against the mean old rigged NBA, then do you. I personally need my team to either be at least competing for a championship or making moves with that in mind. They could never win one in my lifetime and I would be fine but when I see them not even make it a goal, it upsets me.
          Just because you'd do things differently, doesn't mean that's not the Pacers' goal.

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          • Originally posted by Wage View Post

            Yeah Danny's career ultimately didn't matter. Charles is different as he was an all time great. Look I'm not going to tell you how to be a fan. If you just want a team of dudes that try thier best against the mean old rigged NBA, then do you. I personally need my team to either be at least competing for a championship or making moves with that in mind. They could never win one in my lifetime and I would be fine but when I see them not even make it a goal, it upsets me.
            Well, I don’t want to tell you how to be a fan either, but why in the world do you seek out and invest in entertainment that upsets you.

            I watch basketball because I like watching basketball. When I watch a basketball game, I want my team to win. I pay attention to the business side of basketball, because I have a financing and business background and I enjoy that aspect of the sport.

            I am also a Cubs fan, and through all my life they had never won a World Series. And you know what? They won. And it was pretty cool. But then the next season, everything started over. In the big picture, the championship doesn’t really mean a whole lot. I don’t wake up everyday and think, I sure am glad the Cubs won that World Series.

            So, if you spend all your time focused on a championship, you might get some enjoyment once or twice in your life, but you are going to miss some enjoyment along the way. Seems to be a poor investment to me, but as you said, you do you.

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            • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
              I am also a Cubs fan, and through all my life they had never won a World Series. And you know what? They won. And it was pretty cool. But then the next season, everything started over. In the big picture, the championship doesn’t really mean a whole lot. I don’t wake up everyday and think, I sure am glad the Cubs won that World Series..
              Red Sox fan here. I completely understand & agree. And the Red Sox won multiple titles.

              Yeah - cool when it happens and for a day or 3 after that. But then - life goes on.

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              • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                Red Sox fan here. I completely understand & agree. And the Red Sox won multiple titles.

                Yeah - cool when it happens and for a day or 3 after that. But then - life goes on.
                There is a nice lesson in this comment. The journey is important. Probably some others
                {o,o}
                |)__)
                -"-"-

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                • Originally posted by owl View Post

                  There is a nice lesson in this comment. The journey is important.
                  And THAT'S what being a FAN is about.

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                  • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                    If it's rigged as you say - why bother making moves to compete ?? By your logic - your team isn't going to win anyway. Where do you draw a line between 'trying' and 'at least competing' ??
                    That was a slight jab at the folks who seem to think only teams on the coast can actually compete, of which there seems to be a lot of crossover with the crowd who love KP and the crowd who are happy just being invited to the playoffs. I think the NBA has shown clearly that any team that is ran well can compete.

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                    • Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post

                      Just because you'd do things differently, doesn't mean that's not the Pacers' goal.
                      Of course, and I honestly do try to give the benefit of the doubt. I thought Bird's Kawhi for Hill trade was absolute insanity, but you didn't see me on here crying about it all the time. I got why he did it even if I hated it and he had constructed a team good enough to receive some respect. KP's moves most of the time I can't even fathom, other than the clear motivation of having excuses to stick around another year. It's like:

                      Phase 1: Acquire injury prone players
                      Phase 2: ?
                      Phase 3: Profit

                      Now maybe KP will surprise me and he's been out here all along playing 5D chess with his brilliant 6 year plan to glory. Until I see it though I'm going to assume the worst.

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                      • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                        Well, I don’t want to tell you how to be a fan either, but why in the world do you seek out and invest in entertainment that upsets you.

                        I watch basketball because I like watching basketball. When I watch a basketball game, I want my team to win. I pay attention to the business side of basketball, because I have a financing and business background and I enjoy that aspect of the sport.

                        I am also a Cubs fan, and through all my life they had never won a World Series. And you know what? They won. And it was pretty cool. But then the next season, everything started over. In the big picture, the championship doesn’t really mean a whole lot. I don’t wake up everyday and think, I sure am glad the Cubs won that World Series.

                        So, if you spend all your time focused on a championship, you might get some enjoyment once or twice in your life, but you are going to miss some enjoyment along the way. Seems to be a poor investment to me, but as you said, you do you.
                        There is some truth to this for sure. And again it isn't all about the championship, but if I don't believe that is at least the teams goal then I just don't feel like the powers that be are operating in the interest of their consumers. Yeah when the Colts won the Superbowl it was fun for a day or a week or whatever, but then it was over. But I never doubt for a second that Irsay would do anything in his power to bring another Lombardi to the city, so win or lose it's fun. The Pritchard era is probably the worst era of sport I've suffered through for any team I really follow. Dude has just had a career of failure, seems to only value his own bottom line, and is condescending and moronic every time he speaks. And worst of all is people will jump in front of a train to defend him. It is way less fun than it should be but let me make a super nerdy metaphor.

                        It's like Star Wars. Favorite movies as a kid. Loved the films, toys, bed sheets, T-shirts, whole thing. Then they decide they want to put out some sequels. Cool favorite movies coming back should be great. But they aren't. They are absolute dog ****. Nothing of substance or quality or value of any kind really. You hope they will hire new writers and a new directors but they just keep putting out absolute garbage. They don't care about making art or even a quality product. They just want to milk folks hard earned money from them. And they can, because people love them but it starts to make what used to be a good memory into a bad one.

                        That's where I'm getting to with the KP era Pacers. Still love them, but I'm at the point where I have to be honest with myself and realize I have to turn off my brain to enjoy the product. Drink a beer and watch some shiny lights and explosions while muttering "this could be the year" even though I know it's a lie. Or distance myself entirely until we hire some creative folk who have a single idea what the hell they are doing. For now I'm still repping the Blue and Gold and Chewbacca, but it's getting harder.

                        This has been my Ted Talk. I will shut up now and wait for the Pacers related rumors to flow in.

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                        • Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post

                          If we’re going the retrospect route then Herb Jones, Ayo Dosunmu, Moody, and Tre Mann would’ve all been better selections imo. Hell even had they drafted Isaiah Jackson there it would’ve been a better pick for me.
                          I like all those guys but that's not exactly a strong list. It certainly doesn't justify the lack of support Duarte gets from some of the fanbase.

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                          • Originally posted by Dece View Post
                            The Pacers are multiple years from being relevant in the NBA. Skipping those years of development has no value. The very soonest the Pacers will be a team with deep playoff run potential is 3 years away still. What is the point of having an already developed product when your best course of action is to lose a lot of games and get another top 10 pick? The only benefit I can see is if you'd like to trade him for draft picks next year. If they do that I'll stop thinking they are stupid for drafting him. Otherwise give me Moody or some other 20 year old who had potential to make a leap, even if they never do. Having a middling guy when your ceiling is play-in team has actually zero value.
                            Already developed doesn't mean fully developed. I guess we'll see who was right about Chris in a couple years.

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                            • I will never understand the Duarte hate from this board.

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                              • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                                If it's rigged as you say - why bother making moves to compete ?? By your logic - your team isn't going to win anyway. Where do you draw a line between 'trying' and 'at least competing' ??
                                Rigging changes over the years , have to be in position to make the league want to rig its self for you.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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