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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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NBA Draft Prospects 2022

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  • Originally posted by ad24rouse View Post
    Seth Davis put out his annual draft story this morning where he gets feedback from 7 anonymous NBA scouts and summarizes it for each prospect. These are legit scouts, not clowns like vnzla81.

    He got feedback on the top 50 players (minus international guys). Here are the top 5 players most often mentioned with the Pacers. If you want to see notes on anyone else, let me know.

    Jaden Ivey, 6-4 sophomore guard, Purdue. “Best athlete in the draft. He has an explosiveness like Russell Westbrook or John Wall. He’s gonna be able to get downhill at will. He was able to bail himself out at the college level, although I’m not sure that works up here. He puts so much pressure on the defense with his speed. He’s not a great shooter, but he’s improved. People want to know if he can be a full-time point guard because he played a lot off the ball. The one concern would be lack of ball skills. He’s not a point guard, but man, he’s so athletic. Those guys succeed. He’ll be a better NBA player than college player.”

    Keegan Murray, 6-8 sophomore forward, Iowa. “Boy, I love that kid. He’s ready to play now. He can go inside and out. He’s a better athlete than people think, and he can really stroke it. He scores like a pro. Big-time shooter, efficient basketball player. He’s gotta get stronger because he’s probably better served at the four, but he had one of the more flawless seasons of anyone. He’s sneaky athletic. He’s almost 22, so that will be an issue for some organizations. He’s a smart defender. His ballhandling has to tighten up. He’s like a Tobias Harris or T.J. Warren.”

    Bennedict Mathurin, 6-6 sophomore guard, Arizona. “Not a ton of weaknesses there. Really good shooter. He’s gonna be able to fly off screens and be a really good catch-and-shoot option. He’s going to have to work on his play creation and his ballhandling. He’s not awful with the ball, but he’s not electric. He’s what our game likes, which is a big wing. He’s a streaky guy. He’s great in transition, but I’d be nervous about him in the halfcourt. I’m concerned that emotionally he gets too up and down. The way he shoots it reminds me of Ray Allen.”

    Shaedon Sharpe, 6-6 freshman guard, Kentucky. “He’s a risk. If you watched his pro day, you’d think he was top three. He didn’t miss, and he took some tough shots. I love his size, I love his athleticism. He’s a great kid with high character. I wonder if he’s too nice. He’s an elite athlete and really good shooter. Those usually make for good NBA players. He and Jaden Ivey are the two best athletes in the draft. Somebody will pick him high because he was the No. 1 player in his class. You can look at the history of those guys, and very few of them have failed. If you’re a GM who’s not worried about getting fired, he’s worth the gamble.”

    Johnny Davis, 6-5 sophomore guard, Wisconsin. “He’s just a basketball player, man. He’ll fit in with anyone. He’s ready to play now. Probably one of the most competitive kids in the draft. Not a particularly good shooter, not very efficient. His ability to create shots will translate, but he’s got a little bit of a slow windup. Thirty percent from 3 is really problematic. He’s a great scorer from 15 feet and in. Limited upside. His shooting range is concerning. Not a great athlete, but he’s functional, he’s good enough.”
    I feel like this is the general sense that most of us had about these guys, atleast us who have been discussing them for awhile.

    Interesting about Sharpe though, the take in him is very positive… different than what some have thought
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      So what would be the reaction around here if the pacers draft Sharpe with the 6th pick. ???
      Hopefully supportive; he has potential, but has to learn the game a little more, I think he will be good, but so many questions that only time will answer with him.
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        So what would be the reaction around here if the pacers draft Sharpe with the 6th pick. ???
        Somehow convinced that it was the wrong pick and that he’ll be All-NBA his rookie year at the same time.
        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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        • Really hope Ivey somehow falls to us. Sharpe would be the other guy but it doesn't look like a guy Pacers would draft since he sounds like a fool/delusional in interviews

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          • Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            So what would be the reaction around here if the pacers draft Sharpe with the 6th pick. ???
            The Pacers are lacking a GO GET A BUCKET type player. I think Sharpe may be the only guy in the draft who MIGHT have that ability. I would be okay with it but, knowing it will take time for him to develope.

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            • About Sharpe…. You can’t deny the kid has got all star level talent. But the fact that he finessed his way through college ball with out ever suiting up or a team is a huge red flag. Like why didn’t he go play for the Gleague Ignite? How ever one qualifies for that team surely he would meet the qualifications. Why didn’t he play internationally for a season? No he finessed a top college program with the idea he was gonna be around next season and that they were gonna get a seasoned freshman to lead UK to a national title. The idea that sitting was best for him? What hard work did he put in? What sacrifices is he willing to make to be a great player in this league.

              It just leads me to believe this guy is gonna be amazing and earn that max deal from a team like the Pacers and turn around 6 months later and demand a trade. Maybe it’s not even a max deal, but he still asking for a trade the following season. Some might say that would be so Pacers because they didn’t build around him or something.

              Shaedon looking out for Shaedon, all players are at the end of the day, but he seems like it could develop into worst version of it.
              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              • Also with Sharpe you have to anticipate that he wouldn’t be available for summer league because of conditioning and injury concerns. He’ll his camp might stall the contract signing so that he misses the summer league all together.
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                • Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                  Also with Sharpe you have to anticipate that he wouldn’t be available for summer league because of conditioning and injury concerns. He’ll his camp might stall the contract signing so that he misses the summer league all together.
                  I don’t think you’re understanding his story, he graduated early to potentially play at Kentucky, he practiced with the team while there. He wasn’t just sitting on his butt eating skittles and playing 2K.
                  Why so SERIOUS

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                  • Originally posted by Really? View Post

                    I don’t think you’re understanding his story, he graduated early to potentially play at Kentucky, he practiced with the team while there. He wasn’t just sitting on his butt eating skittles and playing 2K.
                    Good luck, it's been repeated on here a million times but no one can be bothered to understand. If people don't like the guy for coming off like a bag during his interviews, that's totally fair, but stop with the nonsense about swindling his way through KY. One more time for those in the cheap seats...COACH CAL HAD NO INTENTION OF EVER SUITING HIM UP.

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                    • There is so much we do not know about Sharpe. His interview with the Pacers today was reasonable.
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                      • Originally posted by Wage View Post

                        Good luck, it's been repeated on here a million times but no one can be bothered to understand. If people don't like the guy for coming off like a bag during his interviews, that's totally fair, but stop with the nonsense about swindling his way through KY. One more time for those in the cheap seats...COACH CAL HAD NO INTENTION OF EVER SUITING HIM UP.
                        According to the numerous in depth articles his camp wasn’t keen on him suiting up either! Don’t you think it would be very easy for the kid to have come out and say coach Cal told me I could come a semester early and work my *** off to get up to speed and start playing in games in time for the tournaments​​​​​?! But his parents and and uncle never intended for him to play a minute of college ball this year. Because they didn’t want him
                        going out there and looking pedestrian.
                        Last edited by graphic-er; 06-20-2022, 11:27 PM.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        • Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

                          According to the numerous in depth articles his camp wasn’t keen on him suiting up either!
                          Yep, it was the plan from the start. KY did the exact same thing with Hamidou Diallo when he was a late reclassify, the only difference is he decided to stay another year. You can find articles back to before Sharpe even committed where Cal's plan for him to sit out the year if he comes on board are laid out.

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                          • Something else to consider regarding Sharpe... he strikes me as the type who would bolt Indy ASAP if he turns out to be good, a la PG/Oladipo/Lance x2/etc...

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                            • Originally posted by bphil View Post
                              Something else to consider regarding Sharpe... he strikes me as the type who would bolt Indy ASAP if he turns out to be good, a la PG/Oladipo/Lance x2/etc...
                              1. That is pure conjecture

                              2. Say he reaches that potential and demands a larger market, at least we'll have a big fish to trade I stead of a low ceiling player who doesn't move the needle.

                              I say, If Ivey isn't there, take Shaedon. The upside is too high for such a mediocre draft.
                              Last edited by Merz; 06-21-2022, 02:18 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by bphil View Post
                                Something else to consider regarding Sharpe... he strikes me as the type who would bolt Indy ASAP if he turns out to be good, a la PG/Oladipo/Lance x2/etc...
                                What really good player wouldn’t? Who is the last really good player that wanted to stay in Indiana?
                                Why so SERIOUS

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