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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Game #12 Pacers vs Nuggets

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    Game #12 Pacers vs Nuggets

    Not optimistic about this game. But you never know. Content to follow


    https://www.nba.com/pacers/preview-p...nuggets-211110


    Game Preview: Pacers at Nuggets

    Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:00 PM ET at Ball Arena





    Matchup

    After their first two-day rest of the season, the Pacers are gearing up for perhaps the toughest back-to-back slate in the NBA for Eastern Conference teams — visits to the Denver Nuggets and the Utah Jazz.
    Up first are the Denver Nuggets (6-4), who will be looking for their third-straight victory after defeating the Miami Heat, 113-96, on Monday night. However, they will be without a few key players when entering their bout with the Blue & Gold.
    The Nuggets are already playing without Jamal Murray as he continues to recover from a torn ACL suffered late last season. Last Saturday, Denver escaped with a 95-94 win over the 1-9 Houston Rockets but it came at a cost. In the first quarter, third-year guard Michael Porter Jr. (9.9 points, 6.6 rebounds per game) appeared to injure his back after a seemingly innocuous layup attempt on a 3-on-0 fast break. He exited a few plays later and did not return. On Monday, Nuggets head coach Michael Malone announced he would be out for the "foreseeable future." Porter agreed to a five-year rookie-scale max extension on September 29.
    To boot, the mile-high squad will be without 2020-21 NBA MVP Nikola Jokic. Against the Heat, the 6-11, 284-pound center retaliated to a shove from Markieff Morris, sending Morris to the ground injured. Jokic was ejected for his aggression and the NBA officially suspended Jokic for Wednesday's game on Tuesday night. Through 10 games, he has been averaging team-highs in points (25.4), rebounds (13.6), and assists (5.7).
    With that, the Pacers are primed to take a victory away from Ball Arena — especially after their inspiring performance against the Sacramento Kings on Sunday. Indiana's defense limited the high-scoring Kings to just 91 points in a winning effort. T.J. McConnell, who has been playing solidly in place of Malcolm Brogdon, made several key buckets down the stretch. Another positive has been the dominant paint presence of Myles Turner. The big man appears to have upped his physical play this year and is averaging career highs in points (14.5) and rebounds (8.5) over the first 11 games. Turner is also shooting 41.1 percent from three, forcing opponents to shift out of the paint and guard the perimeter. The open space is allowing the Blue & Gold to play Rick Carlisle's style of offense effectively.
    Projected Starters


    Malcolm Brogdon


    Chris Duarte


    Caris LeVert


    Domantas Sabonis


    Myles Turner




    Monte Morris


    Will Barton


    Jeff Green


    Aaron Gordon


    JaMychal Green



    Injury Report

    Pacers: Malcolm Brogdon - questionable (non-COVID illness), Isaiah Jackson - out (left knee injury), T.J. Warren – out (left foot stress fracture)
    Nuggets: Monte Morris - probable (left patellar tendinopathy), Vlatko Cancar – out (left hip strain), Nikola Jokic - out (suspension), Jamal Murray – out (left knee injury recovery), Michael Porter Jr. – out (sore lower back)
    Last Meeting

    Marc 15, 2021: Indiana overcame a 20-point deficit to take a 91-87 lead into the fourth quarter. However, when it came time to secure the win, Indiana struggled mightily. The Blue & Gold tallied just two points over the first 7:04 of the fourth quarter as the Nuggets regained the lead using a 22-2 run. Denver outscored Indiana, 34-15 in the frame to take home a 121-106 victory.
    Five Pacers finished in double figures, with Malcolm Brogdon leading all with 24 points on 9-of-16 shooting. Justin Holiday tallied 19, including five triples, and Caris LeVert added 17 in the loss. Domantas Sabonis narrowly missed a triple-double with 10 points, 10 assists, and nine boards. Nikola Jokic had 32 and 14 rebounds to lead Denver.
    Denver used a 17-0 run, including four consecutive threes, to break open a 35-35 game in the second quarter. However, Indiana continued to fight back in the frame. Using runs of their own, the Blue & Gold managed to cut the lead down to single digits, 65-56, after Brogdon drove past his defender for an easy layup before halftime.
    Indiana earned its first lead of the game on Brogdon's 3-pointer at the 6:47 mark of the third. The game remained a back-and-forth affair until the fourth. Indiana maintained a four-point edge heading into the final frame despite a wild sequence on defense. Somehow, the Pacers allowed seven consecutive offensive boards to the Nuggets. Yet Denver still came up empty.
    But the squad stumbled to start the fourth, failing to find a bucket until Sabonis tipped in a miss with 7:05 to go. By then, it was too little, too late. Indiana never threatened Denver's lead again.
    Noteworthy
    • The Pacers earned their first win in Denver since Nov. 27, 2007, with a 115-107 win on Jan. 19, 2020.
    • Indiana is just 16-30 all-time on the road against the Nuggets during the regular season.
    • Will Barton, potentially the Nuggets' main scoring threat for this upcoming game, averaged 18 points per contest against the Pacers last season.
    Tickets

    After a four-game Western Conference road trip, the Pacers return to Gainbridge Fieldhouse to host the Philadelphia 76ers on Saturday, Nov. 13 at 7:00 PM ET. Find Tickets ?
    Broadcast Information TV & Radio Listings ?

    TV: Bally Sports Indiana - Chris Denari (play-by-play), Quinn Buckner (analyst), Jeremiah Johnson (studio host)
    Radio: 93.5/107.5 The Fan - Mark Boyle (play-by-play), Pat Boylan (studio host)



    Last edited by owl; 11-10-2021, 05:06 PM.
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    Doubt we see Jokic this game

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    • #3
      No MPJ probably no Jokic. This becomes a should win game.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
        No MPJ probably no Jokic. This becomes a should win game.
        No Murray too lol

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        • #5
          Also Jimmy Butler wanted all the smoke .
          Remember when the whole TJ Warren situation happened and he baited Warren to getting ejected
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

            No Murray too lol
            Yea you can't lose to a team missing 3 max players. That'd be embarrassing

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            • #7
              Teams missing players are very dangerous.
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              • #8
                You ever see that old Chris Rock video when he was talking about O.J. and he goes through the routine of "but I understand"? Well that is how I feel about Jokic and Morris. I'm not saying he should cheap shot a Morris twin, but I understand.

                These two have been dirty cheap shot artist their entire career. A bump here a shove there is something both have done their entire career. Also frankly I'm sick of them hitting game altering 16-18' jumps shots against us and hey it if means that Jokic might have to miss a game vs us? Well, who am I to complain?


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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                • #9
                  Feeling really bad for traveling Pacers fans...Denver will be missing 3 max players.

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                  • #10
                    Some acting involved??
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                    • #11
                      Fuxk the Morris bros
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                      • #12
                        MPJ.... from injured draft steal ....to max extension....to injured again....at least he got paid.

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                          https://theathletic.com/2944464/2021...er/?source=rss

                          Nikola Jokic and Markieff Morris fight likely will lead to a suspension for the MVP: ‘It could have been uglier’

                          By Joe Vardon 2h ago 90
                          DENVER — Nikola Jokic gathered, took three full steps, lowered his head as though he was a raging bull of Pamplona, and skewered Markieff Morris in the back with a devastating swing of his right forearm and shoulder.

                          Morris’ head snapped back as he crumpled to the Denver court. He immediately clutched his forehead, and while the melee continued among the Nuggets and Heat players who still had the good fortune of standing upright, a stretcher was summoned for Morris, who was still on the ground.

                          The Heat’s medical team, and on-site paramedics, tended to Morris for several minutes, and fortunately for him, and then for Jokic, Morris got to his feet and walked gingerly to the locker room with the help of a couple of teammates. Miami checked him for a neck injury.

                          It doesn’t matter who won or lost the game, or the score. Neither wheelchairs nor manslaughter charges were necessary, but beyond that, an ugly, sad, infuriating and confusing scene in which the league’s reigning MVP hit a man who wasn’t looking from behind so hard that he likely would have been ejected had he done the same thing in the NFL.

                          “It’s just absolutely uncalled for, and it would have looked a lot different, this whole thing could have been a lot uglier if Markieff was actually facing Jokic,” Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. “The fact that he had his back turned, and he made a play like that, blindsiding, it was just a very dangerous play.”

                          “It’s a stupid play. I feel bad,” Jokic said.

                          “I just think it was a play that could have been … that shouldn’t happen,” said Jeff Green, Jokic’s teammate.

                          It should be noted that Jokic was responding to Morris’ silly, unnecessarily rough “take foul” into Jokic’s ribs with Denver up by 17 points and 2:39 remaining on the clock. So, yes, Morris hit Jokic first. Spoelstra waived off the severity of Morris’ foul, and even Green said Morris didn’t intend to hurt Jokic. Jokic, on the other hand, called Morris’ play “dirty,” and said he was trying to protect himself, but “I feel bad, I’m not supposed to react that way.”

                          “Probably if I didn’t react that way, it wouldn’t even be a flagrant foul (on Morris) or whatever,” Jokic said.

                          He’s right about that, apparently. Referee Kevin Scott, in explaining why Morris was assessed a Flagrant-2 foul and ejected for his action against Jokic, said “the contact by Morris was interpreted to be excessive and unnecessary based on the following criteria. One, the severity of the contact. Two, whether or not the player was making a legitimate basketball play. Three, the potential for injury resulting from the contact, and four, the outcome of the contact led to an altercation.”

                          So it’s not a Flagrant-2 if the other guy doesn’t swing back? In the meantime, there was no need to ask why Jokic was tossed for what he did. Jimmy Butler was also awarded a technical for mixing it up with the Nuggets after the fact. At one point, he was screaming at Jokic and inviting him to fight in the back. Arena security put more bodies in the hallway between the two locker rooms, and the Heat players were not brought to the press conference room to take questions.

                          “You see our guys (on the court)?” Spoelstra asked. “The video and picture is worth a thousand words.”



                          There is almost no way Jokic avoids suspension. Nuggets coach Michael Malone said he expected Jokic to be in uniform for Denver’s next game, which is Wednesday, but he also admitted he hadn’t seen a replay. Denver guard Monte Morris (no relation to Markieff) said he hadn’t seen the replay yet, either. I guess the Nuggets have to check their cell phones with the parking garage attendant?

                          The Nuggets did win this game, 113-96, and Jokic even recorded his first triple-double this season (25 points, 15 boards, 10 assists). It all came on a night when Malone announced a team already devastated by a key injury to Jamal Murray would be without $172 million man Michael Porter Jr. “for the foreseeable future” with a back injury. With a stiff upper lip, Malone had said “one of the biggest turnoffs for me, ever, is people who feel sorry for themselves — so we never do that.” Instead, the Nuggets defend, holding now seven of 10 opponents under 100 points.

                          “I feel like this is 1987 NBA basketball again,” he said.

                          What Jokic did to Morris, regardless of the foul that preceded it, should have remained in the ’80s, or even the 1970s, when the arenas were dimly lit, and Kermit Washington’s fist crashed into Rudy Tomjanovich’s nose. The “punch” was more dangerous than the “forearm shiver,” with far more severe consequences for the two players involved. Let’s be thankful history didn’t quite repeat itself.

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                            https://www.denverpost.com/2021/11/0...media-threats/
                            Nikola Jokic ejection sparks social media threats from both sets of brothers following Nuggets-Heat game

                            “You should leave this the way it is instead of publicly threatening our brother! Your brother made a dirty play first. If you want to make a step further be sure we will be waiting for you !! Jokic Brothers.”

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                            • #15
                              If Markieff body checks anybody else like that, their *** is on the floor. Keiff got what he deserved.

                              And Jimmy could have decked him if he wanted. He waited till Jokic walked away before he started barking. Jimmy's crazy but he ain't stupid. Jokic would kill him if he got ahold of him.
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