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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #61
    Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post

    Kemba looked like a good player, but not a difference maker. Just a guy, a good guy, but just a guy.
    Up until last night, Kemba had been playing really well in a less ball dominant role. He leads the league in 3 point %. He's starting and giving NY much needed shooting. Of course he can't guard for ****, but they got some guys that can cover for him. I think he's better than just a good JAG. That more aptly describes McConnell.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      This is purely conjecture and most likely a lot of hoping on my part. But what if Carlisle is letting Myles know that his playing time is dictated by he aggression on rebounding. He's not going to hit 7-10 from 3 very often (Steph Curry doesn't do that very often) but he can get physical rebounds every game.

      Now another question to ponder. What if it works and Myles becomes an aggresive rebounder, how does that chang his game, our team and our opinions of him.

      However, and I hate to be that guy (well really I don't) I've seen this before. I've seen Myles have stretches of games where someone calls him soft and he comes out as though he were Nate Thermond on steroids only to one month later revert to Will Purdue on Xanax.
      That may be what happens but Carlisle has shown he is not going to molly coddle him if he does that. That is good and hopefully drives him to keep being aggressive.
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      • #63
        You folks ever hear about paralysis by analysis ??

        It's simple - Myles is playing better this year.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by owl View Post

          Carlisle is doubling down on twin towers. Myles and Domas and Domas and Goga. This is starting to become a trend the past few games.
          It may be that Rick is going to try doing TT all the time. In years past we go back and forth. Twin Towers, then a center and four perimeter players, and the team thinks like a schizophrenic. Maybe a consistent mindset all through the game will reap rewards.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • #65
            I really like LeVert. He could be our best player if he improves some more. IMO, He's just starting to reach his potential.

            He's good at about everything, no glaring weaknesses, but he needs to be more efficient at everything to become a bonafide star. I'd sure love to see it happen.
            "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

              This is the problem with looking at early season stats. That can be easily skewed. Out of 9 games he has had two outstanding games, and 7 mostly par for the course for him. In those two games he has gone 12 for 19 from 3, in the other 7 games he has shot 6 for 25. Myles exploding for a big game here or there is not abnormal, he just happened to do it twice within a 9 game period which has boosted his stats to look better than he has actually played overall.
              Player Turner Sabonis Duarte Brogdon Holiday McConnell Craig
              Std. Deviation 11.29 7.07 4.17 5.41 6.66 4.37 7.23
              Std. Dev - Outlier 8.72 5.43 2.22 4.63 5.46 2.16 3.95
              Mean 13.42 18 10.4 17.45 4.62 6.96 5.88
              Mean - Outlier 10.69 19.73 9.2 15.94 3.13 5.59 3.69
              This chart is based off the BBref's GameScore. It is an imperfect stat as it is box score based, so I'm not trying to say this is accurate to how good a player is, only as a measure of consistency, and how a single game can affect stats at this point in the season. So what you have here in the first row is the standard deviation in GameScore for each player, so this measures variance in performance from game-to-game. The smaller the value the more consistent a player is, the larger the value the less consistent the player is. The second row is the standard deviation minus the biggest outlier, so this is removing the game with the furthest score from that players average, which could be a positive or negative. Then the next two rows are the mean and mean without the outlier. The outlier rows are there to show you how big of an effect a single game can have at this point. So you can see how much variance there is in his game, and how much a single game can affect things at this point.
              Very interesting stats. One thing that really stands out is how solid Brogdon has been. He is REALLY good and he gets so much negativity on this forum. Sabonis is also obviously a beast.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
                Great game for the Pacers. This is the type of team I was expecting. Good ball movement, balanced scoring. Turner is now part of the offensive game plan, and is aggressively rebounding. Our offense is balanced so having someone have a bad game is not a killer. Our defense looks organized and efficient, and we are playing a lot of players so that should cut down on injuries. Go Pacers!
                ohh man.... how I would love to have that "Most optimistic member!" mentality....and be in life and a Pacers supporter just like you....but unfortunately I am just a miserable Debbie downer....

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  I have no idea what Myles's season will actually end up looking like as high as last night's game was he's had some horrible lows too. That being said, he is rebounding in a much more physical way than he ever has in the past.
                  I am really pleasantly surprised with Myles....before I was "twin towers are the death of the Pacers" ....now ....very unlikely it will work....but not impossible...Domas as far as i know really likes Myles and will do everything he can to make it work....can it work?...unlikely .....but is nice to see Myles more assertive....if Myles could punish smaller players on offence....it could work....
                  p.s. Myles is a really nice guy as a person...he's a flawed player ....but it is all in his head....it's all mental...Domas can't have longer arms....but Myles could be something....if he is confident enough
                  Last edited by Ozys Nepimpis; 11-04-2021, 07:07 PM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by owl View Post

                    Carlisle is doubling down on twin towers. Myles and Domas and Domas and Goga. This is starting to become a trend the past few games.
                    I like that he's trying to keep a pf and a center on the court but I wouldn't consider Sabonis and Turner or Sabonis and Goga twin towers. If he wants to play play Goga and Turner together sure.
                    I'd like to see Jackson get some minutes when Sabonis is out without cutting back on Goga or Turner.
                    Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                    Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      This is purely conjecture and most likely a lot of hoping on my part. But what if Carlisle is letting Myles know that his playing time is dictated by he aggression on rebounding. He's not going to hit 7-10 from 3 very often (Steph Curry doesn't do that very often) but he can get physical rebounds every game.

                      Now another question to ponder. What if it works and Myles becomes an aggresive rebounder, how does that chang his game, our team and our opinions of him.

                      However, and I hate to be that guy (well really I don't) I've seen this before. I've seen Myles have stretches of games where someone calls him soft and he comes out as though he were Nate Thermond on steroids only to one month later revert to Will Purdue on Xanax.
                      Agreed, we've seen the good shooting stretches before, but I really can't ever remember seeing him grabbing this meaning contested rebounds. Even if his most putrid games this season, his rebounding has kinda been the best part of his game


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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                        You folks ever hear about paralysis by analysis ??

                        It's simple - Myles is playing better this year.
                        I do agree that we've seen the stretches from Myles where he's significantly more aggressive, but if memory serves, it's usually closer to January/February and the back half of the season. I don't recall seeing him play this way to start the season, and I'm a supporter of the guy.

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                        • #72
                          Big picture not much has changed with Myles this season.

                          For a block chasing, basketball mental midget with underwhelming court awareness or grit he has a an excellent defensive rating. Particularly in comparison to his teammates playing similar minutes. Bottom line is opposing teams really do struggle to score when he is on the court.

                          In spite of a couple of really impressive shooting performances and other evidence of overall offensive improvement Myles offensive rating is still pretty mediocre. I do think he will ultimately become a more consistent offensive player as his career evolves. I can see him shooting 36-38% form three during his peak and becoming more efficient overall but consistently high volume shooting or running plays for him to exploit a match-up etc. are not likely in the cards.

                          Bottom line is also pretty much the same. Myles Net Rating is still very good relative to the rest of the Pacers. His line-ups "win" a lot more than most fans perceive and while you would never build a team around him it is possible to build a team that maximizes what he can bring as a role player.

                          Some other notables going through the stats. In his three games back Levert is really statistically impactful on both sides of the ball. Very small sample size but if he plays near this and is healthy the Pacers are a much better team than their current record indicates.

                          Also Sabonis is playing 38 minutes a game. IMO concerning and not sure that is sustainable.
                          Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 11-05-2021, 07:00 AM.

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                          • #73
                            there is of course a reason that Sabonis plays that many minutes, but hey that's only because Rick/former coaches are crazy and want to run him in to the ground
                            So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by able View Post
                              there is of course a reason that Sabonis plays that many minutes, but hey that's only because Rick/former coaches are crazy and want to run him in to the ground
                              Well, normally for a player it is because the team utterly collapses when they are not on the floor. There are a few players like that in the league, but that hasn't happened the last couple years with the Pacers and Sabonis.

                              However, two OT games and a couple other foul trouble games for Turner have skewed that number up for Sabonis. And the Pacers have only had 1 game this season where the score difference wasn't 10 or less during the 4th quarter. Those will normalize out and drive down Sabonis's minutes at least a little.

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                              • #75
                                I think you are watching different games or not watching, as your first sentence is spot on, the rest not so.
                                So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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