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Consider: Domantas Sabonis for Christian Wood

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
    This makes no sense to me. We are talking about trading a 25 year old 2x All-Star for a 26 year old journeyman who has never lasted more than one season with a team prior to this season, has only ever played 60+ games once in his 5 year career, and scores fewer points on more shots than Sabonis? Not to mention all the advance stats suggest Sabonis is better on both sides of the court.
    Hoooo boy. I love it when they make it easy for me ...

    Better take a closer look man.

    Woods EFG both this year and last have surpassed Sabonis' career averages.

    Woods is shooting exceptionally well from 3 in his two seasons as a starter, and at 6att/gm.

    Woods is a very good shot blocker, and received All Defensive team votes last year.

    The fact that he neither started 60 games before last year nor was on the same team for multiple years is irrelevant.

    Since start of last year he's at or slightly above Sabonis' career numbers, a better shooter, a better rebounder, and a better defender than Sabonis has been in his several years as a starter.

    And...did you just call Sabonis a better defender?? That right there makes your argument a joke.

    Getting players at the right time is all about trajectory. Hey I love Sabonis. But Woods' performance has surpassed Sabonis', his trajectory is trending sharply upwards, and in another year it will be recognized that his game has eclipsed Sabonis'. Some could argue it already has, which means Woods' first few years of limited action in the league are irrelevant to his current value. Woods is now the superior player, and all that matters now is whether we have a GM that's savvy enough to recognize that.

    As I said I'd consider including a limited 1st with Sabonis to get him, and if you can't see why, you're not paying close enough attention.

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    Woods career EFG.583
    Sabonis career EFG.548



    One is shooting over 38% from 3 in his career including .390 this year and .375. The other is not.

    One is a defensive all NBA vote getter who averaged 1.2 bpg last year. The other is not.

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    I want what you're smoking lol.

    In summary: your *** has been handed to you in a bag. Would you prefer it be paper or plastic?

    By the end of this season or next, Wood will be widely recognized as a superior player over Sabonis & a top-30 talent.
    Last edited by OneMoreYear; 11-04-2021, 12:57 AM.

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    • #17
      I floated Myles for Wood in Wood's RFA offseason, but no way am I entertaining Sabonis and a pick for him. The Rockets would be the ones attaching a pick to try to get Sabonis. Wood is probably too injury prone at this point, which I tried to ignore two offseasons ago. I still love the guy, and would gladly take him as part of a package, but no way is he the only guy coming back (for salary and value purposes).

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      • #18
        It is a reasonable consideration. My concern is Domas does provide some physicality that without him the Pacers would not have.
        And Sabonis is a far better assist man
        {o,o}
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        • #19
          I am just amazed that moderators did not closed this thread....stupid ugly and disgusting.... some but hurt lowlifes (Myles fans) slandering our best player...sad!
          Last edited by Ozys Nepimpis; 11-04-2021, 11:38 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by owl View Post
            It is a reasonable consideration. My concern is Domas does provide some physicality that without him the Pacers would not have.
            And Sabonis is a far better assist man
            Fair point about the physicality. Still every indication is that Wood is stronger defensively, not only in terms of adding rim protection but by being far quicker and more versatile than Domas, I don't consider Domas to be a terrible defender merely limited, but Wood is clearly superior in that regard. Also let's remember that while Sabo can get physical with bigger stronger players, it's a losing battle because those players even if they can't muscle their way to the rim are often able to either shoot over him or out quick him. Bodying up guys isn't effectively stopping them; it helps in rebounding for sure, but Wood negates that positive by being an equal rebounder already. Where Domas turns into a statue in the paint (if admittedly a physical one) Wood can block the attempts to shoot over him that poor Domas can only flail at, and Wood is quick enough to pick up his man in a drive penetration and stay with him.

            Domas has the edge in physicality, and is a significantly better passer, but in all other regards, CW upgrades your shooting away from the rim (he'd immediately be our second best 3pt shooting starter btw), is an equal in terms of rebounding, can generate offense without needing to be fed the ball, and will immediately be a better fit on this roster and help us be much more dynamic. The only knocks I keep hearing about him are limited body of work as a starter & recent injury bias, but prior to last year, you have to take both of those things with a grain of salt due to the fact we simply don't know what would've transpired if he'd been starting 82 games when with DET or NOLA. THAT is the kind of bet you've gotta hedge, if you want a chance to steal a guy who's currently putting up Sabonis level production at 12ml a yr (!) ... you don't get to grab a player like that once he stops being under the radar and that's probably happening this year, bc of he keeps this up and stays healthy, logging 21ppg, 12 Reb, 1.2 blocks, 38% 3pt shooting and generates all NBA defensive votes like he got last year, you'd have to slot him as one of the league's top 15 big men and categorically ahead of Sabonis, who is, no doubt, a damn good player. That's where he's headed, simply put, if he stays on the floor.

            There's some risk for sure, but I hope TPTB are at least addressing the risk/reward here bc at his current production and efficiency his long term ceiling eclipses Sabonis'' considerably.
            Last edited by OneMoreYear; 11-04-2021, 12:44 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ozys Nepimpis View Post
              I am just amazed that moderators did not closed this thread....stupid ugly and disgusting.... some but hurt lowlifes (Myles fans) slandering our best player...sad!
              If it makes you feel any better I would not do that trade.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

                Fair point about the physicality. Still every indication is that Wood is stronger defensively, not only in terms of adding rim protection but by being far quicker and more versatile than Domas, I don't consider Domas to be a terrible defender merely limited, but Wood is clearly superior in that regard. Also let's remember that while Sabo can get physical with bigger stronger players, it's a losing battle because those players even if they can't muscle their way to the rim are often able to either shoot over him or out quick him. Bodying up guys isn't effectively stopping them; it helps in rebounding for sure, but Wood negates that positive by being an equal rebounder already. Where Domas turns into a statue in the paint (if admittedly a physical one) Wood can block the attempts to shoot over him that poor Domas can only flail at, and Wood is quick enough to pick up his man in a drive penetration and stay with him.

                Domas has the edge in physicality, and is a significantly better passer, but in all other regards, CW upgrades your shooting away from the rim (he'd immediately be our second best 3pt shooting starter btw), is an equal in terms of rebounding, can generate offense without needing to be fed the ball, and will immediately be a better fit on this roster and help us be much more dynamic. The only knocks I keep hearing about him are limited body of work as a starter & recent injury bias, but prior to last year, you have to take both of those things with a grain of salt due to the fact we simply don't know what would've transpired if he'd been starting 82 games when with DET or NOLA. THAT is the kind of bet you've gotta hedge, if you want a chance to steal a guy who's currently putting up Sabonis level production at 12ml a yr (!) ... you don't get to grab a player like that once he stops being under the radar and that's probably happening this year, bc of he keeps this up and stays healthy, logging 21ppg, 12 Reb, 1.2 blocks, 38% 3pt shooting and generates all NBA defensive votes like he got last year, you'd have to slot him as one of the league's top 15 big men and categorically ahead of Sabonis, who is, no doubt, a damn good player. That's where he's headed, simply put, if he stays on the floor.

                There's some risk for sure, but I hope TPTB are at least addressing the risk/reward here bc at his current production and efficiency his long term ceiling eclipses Sabonis'' considerably.

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                • #23
                  Look I'm not saying I would want to trade Sabonis but if we did it would have to be for an all-star level player like Simmons, Ingram, or Fox (I'm not saying either team should do any of these deals or would do them just trying to use players as a comparison point).

                  Non-allstar back for Sabonis is a non-starter for me unless the guy has all-nba potential.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by youOk View Post
                    Look I'm not saying I would want to trade Sabonis but if we did it would have to be for an all-star level player like Simmons, Ingram, or Fox (I'm not saying either team should do any of these deals or would do them just trying to use players as a comparison point).

                    Non-allstar back for Sabonis is a non-starter for me unless the guy has all-nba potential.
                    Scottie Barnes

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                      Scottie Barnes
                      going to be very a good player...an All Star?...unlikely..or less than 20%....and you trade 25y old tuff as nails 2X All Star.... in 3 years Domas is Top 10 in the NBA.....can he be number 1 option for a championship contender? NO....can he be #2 on a Championship team? hell yes....Clippers or Chicago ( Domas dad is a very very good friend of Chicago's GM)....enjoy Domas for 3 more years....he's gone with the wind to the California (wife from there) or Chicago (Lithuanian community/big market/Domas dads bestie as GM)....the only way Domas is staying in Indy is...We are contenders and Domas is the number #1 option.
                      p.s I do not think Domas can be #1 on a contender
                      p.s.2....Domas is not staying in INDY after his contract (no inside about it)...just seams useless....
                      p.s. 3 Domas dad was one of the greatest players in basketball (Domas is not even close)...the least Domas can do is to get some NBA rings.... in Indy?....unlikely...
                      p.s. 4.....Domas and PG13 getting rings together...sad but true (Metallica)
                      Last edited by Ozys Nepimpis; 11-04-2021, 09:25 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ozys Nepimpis View Post

                        going to be very a good player...an All Star?...unlikely..or less than 20%....and you trade 25y old tuff as nails 2X All Star.... in 3 years Domas is Top 10 in the NBA.....can he be number 1 option for a championship contender? NO....can he be #2 on a Championship team? hell yes....Clippers or Chicago ( Domas dad is a very very good friend of Chicago's GM)....enjoy Domas for 3 more years....he's gone with the wind to the California (wife from there) or Chicago (Lithuanian community/big market/Domas dads bestie as GM)....the only way Domas is staying in Indy is...We are contenders and Domas is the number #1 option.
                        p.s I do not think Domas can be #1 on a contender
                        p.s.2....Domas is not staying in INDY after his contract (no inside about it)...just seams useless....
                        p.s. Domas dad was one of the greatest players in basketball (Domas is not even close)...the lest Domas can do is to get some NBA rings.... in Indy?....unlikely...
                        Only way Domas is a top 10 player is if his offensive gravity reaches Jokic/Steph level and that ain’t happening without a consistent jumper. Barnes is already putting up 18-9-2 as a rookie. He’ll be the better player in 2 years max. He’s going to be peak Draymond with better offense. Peak Draymond is better than current Sabonis.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                          Only way Domas is a top 10 player is if his offensive gravity reaches Jokic/Steph level and that ain’t happening without a consistent jumper. Barnes is already putting up 18-9-2 as a rookie. He’ll be the better player in 2 years max. He’s going to be peak Draymond with better offense. Peak Draymond is better than current Sabonis.
                          ok...IN TURNER WE TRUST
                          P.S in 3 years how many superstars are gone with the wind?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ozys Nepimpis View Post

                            ok...IN TURNER WE TRUST
                            P.S in 3 years how many superstars are gone with the wind?
                            In 3 years just depends. LeBron because he’ll be 40 but I don’t think he’ll decline that much. 20-5-5 numbers. That’s probably the only definite answer.

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                            • #29
                              Would you guys trade Sabonis and a 1st to OKC for SGA? It’s hard to gauge whether OKC views him as a franchise cornerstone going forward or not.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                                Would you guys trade Sabonis and a 1st to OKC for SGA? It’s hard to gauge whether OKC views him as a franchise cornerstone going forward or not.
                                I would do it. If you aren't a defensive factor, I believe it's better to be a perimeter oriented scorer than a post scorer. Having guys that can shoot and create with the ball in their hands is so incredibly important imo. Ideally, SGA with Sabonis could be quite the pairing, so I'd try to figure anything else out first.

                                Actually, this is all crazy talk. OKC isn't moving on from SGA for anyone older than him, pick or no pick imo.

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