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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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So we are slightly more than a week away from the regular season, what is your excitement level for the upcoming season?

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  • So we are slightly more than a week away from the regular season, what is your excitement level for the upcoming season?

    In addition to responding to the poll I would love to read your reasons why.
    This is our year, the team will gel, Carlisle is the answer to all of our problems we are title bound
    The pre season injury report has been somewhat of a mood killer, but I still think we are a playoff team who will advance
    I think our rookies are going to rock but the injuries to our injury prone players leads me to believe we will be in the play in tourney
    I have no excitement at all. I don't think they will suck but they won't be good either. In other words another mediocre season
    If there were any possible way for me to care less about a season I don't know how. Same old crap, same players always injured

    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    between 3 and 4. things could be ok if injuries get fixed soon, but i doubt thats gonna happen


    • #3
      I went with "The pre season injury report has been somewhat of a mood killer, but I still think we are a playoff team who will advance."

      I think last year we underachieved because of injuries and bad coaching with an emphasis on bad defense. It was especially bad the last half of the season. I'm hoping Rick corrects that. Having Miles healthy will also be a huge positive on the defensive end.

      I would say I am excited to see how this team will perform with a really good coach. Can the key guys be healthy? This is the last chance for this group and I'd really like to see them come together and at least have a competitive 2nd round series. This team has the talent, but that doesn't mean anything if the key players are too injured to play.


      • #4
        I am almost 56 years old. I remember falling asleep in my parents’ bedroom listening to the Pacers play the Utah Stars in the ABA finals. I teared up when they turned down the lights for the introductions at the NBA Finals game I was at. I couldn’t believe I was finally at a Pacers NBA Finals game. When they were bad and winning 20-something games a season in the 1980’s I was young and still a super die hard who believed that they were somehow going to be better than everyone thought. During the post brawl years I was a strong supporter and tried to convince everyone it was okay to be a Pacers fan again. I raised two sons who are big fans. I’ve never deserted this team. But I have never been this unenthused. It feels like Groundhog Day for the last number of years. I won’t call any of the players or the front office trash. I won’t begrudge any fans who are hopeful. But I’m not the least bit optimistic about this group.


        • #5
          I think the average number of posts per day on this forum during the last few weeks is a good measure of the general excitement level.


          • #6
            Originally posted by Granville View Post
            I am almost 56 years old. I remember falling asleep in my parents’ bedroom listening to the Pacers play the Utah Stars in the ABA finals. I teared up when they turned down the lights for the introductions at the NBA Finals game I was at. I couldn’t believe I was finally at a Pacers NBA Finals game. When they were bad and winning 20-something games a season in the 1980’s I was young and still a super die hard who believed that they were somehow going to be better than everyone thought. During the post brawl years I was a strong supporter and tried to convince everyone it was okay to be a Pacers fan again. I raised two sons who are big fans. I’ve never deserted this team. But I have never been this unenthused. It feels like Groundhog Day for the last number of years. I won’t call any of the players or the front office trash. I won’t begrudge any fans who are hopeful. But I’m not the least bit optimistic about this group.

            Sadly I feel the same.
            My personal story is not as exciting, I was a kid in the 90s, been a Pacers fan ever since, back in the day before ebay and amazon existed and flights from my country to the US weren't as popular, my dad went on a trip to New York and I asked him to get me a Pacers jersey and he said he got kicked out of the store.
            I was about 12-13 when I saw Prince block Reggie, then the brawl came, in my high school days I stayed up late (8 hours difference - east coast games typically started at 2 AM) to watch the shitshow O'brien teams, until our salvation came in the form of smashmouth basketball and the 10th pick in the draft. It was short lived however, and ever since PG left us we've been bad and declining.
            I don't believe in this team. I don't like most players, and I don't believe that the front office has what it takes to build a good team. I like the coach, but he's far from being the missing piece.
            You don't choose who you root for, but it's hard not to be down on a team that has only gotten worse after 8 years of being bad.
            Last edited by yoadknux; 10-12-2021, 02:59 AM.
            Originally posted by Piston Prince
            Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
            "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"


            • #7
              Not as excited as I would be if I was able to watch the games.
              Ending a sentence with a preposition is something I will not put up with.


              • #8
                I'm very excited for the rookies, even if one needs to be pretty good pretty fast in order to not be a miss. I chose option 4, but I'm not too far from option 3. I'm not far from total blow it up mode, even if I know it will never happen. I've never been lower on the team than I am now, but part of that may be that I was at least able to score the cheapest tickets imaginable for the JOB years. Plus, the heart of guys like Dahntay Jones, and the apparent talent of guys like Danny Granger kept me going.

                I don't really dislike any players on the team currently, sans maybe Jeremy Lamb, but the team is missing the guy that probably became my favorite player in Sumner. I don't see many guys on here that can continue to play the same way even when the ship appears to be sinking. At the end of the day, if you're not going to try to swing for the fence and give the fanbase a championship contender, at least throw in a few more hustle guys. TJ McConnell will probably once again be a favorite this year, and I'm not sure if that reflects very well on the roster. Here's to hoping TJ Warren comes back and is at least a tick better than his lone full season with us.


                • #9
                  I feel like I'm in the waiting room, getting ready for a colonoscopy.


                  • #10
                    At this point I think only Ben can do something for us....he could be total knucklehead and we're going to suck...even more...but....what the do we have to lose at this point....
                    p.s the picks


                    • #11
                      I wouldn't say there is no excitement. It IS the beginning of a new season and hope always springs eternal.

                      But, yes, its starting to feel like the Sideburns years.

                      However, I do think Rick will make a difference. If not this year, next year we will finally trade away players he identifies that have to go.
                      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


                      • #12
                        I was more excited about summer league

                        I have been going strong as a Pacer fan since the brawl but this might be the year I detox from this toxic team forever.

                        Thanks to whoever is in charge of making it harder for us to watch them making the transition easier

                        I’m not going to google five links to watch them, I don’t have the energy for that anymore.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


                        • #13
                          Peck, you're threatening Bills as the new snark champ with the "title bound" first option. That's like having the last option read, "I'll be wearing a grocery bag over my head as the Pacers break Charlotte's 7-win record for fewest games won in a season."

                          More representative of optimistic views would be to say something like, "Under Rick Carlisle's direction, this season will spawn reason for enthusiasm, perhaps with advancement beyond the first round, and lay the foundation for possible contention as soon as 2022-2023."

                          "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                          - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.


                          • #14
                            In a league, and sports in general, that increasingly feels rigged and fake each passing season to me, it doesn't help that the Pacers are a dinosaur that refuses to adapt to today's hyper, quick to reshuffle the deck, quick to find undeniable truth society that we live in today. It doesn't help that Taterhead helped me realize also that this franchise is essentially a tax cash grab. I have a lot more to say and don't have the time right now to say it.


                            • #15
                              Went with "no excitement at all" which isn't exactly true, but is the most accurate. This summer was disillusioning. The hiring of Carlisle fired me up. Great move! But it feels epically bad after that. I'm shocked at the draft, I'm shocked they didn't try to balance out the team, I'm shocked that they kept all the injury prone players. It was a celebration of mid-table mediocrity. I wouldn't be surprised if we finished 4th, but nothing was done to try and make us a contender.
                              Danger Zone