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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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So we are slightly more than a week away from the regular season, what is your excitement level for the upcoming season?

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  • #46
    After watching Duarte and Jackson get significant minutes in the preseason, I'm more hopeful than I was. At least we feel like we nailed both of those picks which has changed our trajectory a bit. I sitll feel the team needs to make a big move roster wise.


    • #47
      Originally posted by dal9 View Post

      plus raffle off a chance to kick an injured pacer in the ***
      You are on a roll today


      • #48
        Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

        Say what you will about Irsay & Grigson but you can't question their passion. Failure is not tolerated & results in changes. I was briefly surprised by the willingness to fire Bork & bring in Rick, that IMO was a move that had some stones, but it's not enough to convince me that ANYONE with clout in that office is p*ssed about where this team is at, as they ought to be. I don't see that fire, either in words nor in actions aside from the coaching change.

        We shall see.
        Your point is better than you realize, because Grigson was canned for underperforming and replaced by Ballard.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden


        • #49
          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

          That would be because there are no in between option between missing the playoffs and advancing to the second round.

          I think it's probably another first round exit. But not all first round exits are the same.

          I think we'll start slow but will pick up steam as the season goes on. I think some of our youngsters will make a good impression. National media talking heads will start saying "don't forget about the Pacers!" as if they've discovered some sort of secret. There will be no play-in, we're going straight in. We'll put up a good fight and lose to a superior team in the first round in 5 or 6 games.

          BUT, we'll feel a bit happier about it than usual, and there will be optimism for 2022-23. And part of that will be because, call me crazy, but I think somebody in our starting lineup is going to be moved before the end of the season, and there will be a palpable feeling that there has been a changing of the guard.

          There's too much smoke for there to be no fire, and I detect a certain antsy-ness in the front office.


          • #50
            2021 NBA Offseason In Review: Indiana Pacers

            October 14th 2021 at 8:30pm CST by Luke Adams

            Hoops Rumors is breaking down the 2021 offseason for all 30 NBA teams, revisiting the summer’s free agent signings, trades, draft picks, departures, and more. We’ll evaluate each team’s offseason moves, examine what still needs to be done before opening night, and look ahead to what the 2021/22 season holds for all 30 franchises. Today, we’re focusing on the Indiana Pacers.
            Free agent signings:

            Note: Exhibit 9 and 10 deals aren’t included here.Trades:
            • Acquired the draft rights to Isaiah Todd (No. 31 pick) from the Bucks in exchange for the draft rights to Sandro Mamukelashvili (No. 54 pick), the draft rights to Georgios Kalaitzakis (No. 60 pick), either the Pacers’, Cavaliers, or Jazz’s 2024 second-round pick (whichever is most favorable), and either the Pacers’ or the Heat’s 2026 second-round pick (whichever is most favorable).
              • Note: If the Cavaliers’ and Jazz’s 2024 second-round picks are the two most favorable of the three, the Bucks would acquire the least favorable of those two picks.
            • Acquired the draft rights to Isaiah Jackson (No. 22 pick; from Lakers) in a five-team trade in exchange for Aaron Holiday, the draft rights to Isaiah Todd (No. 31 pick), and cash ($1MM).
              • Note: All of the Pacers’ outgoing assets were sent to the Wizards.
            • Acquired the Spurs’ 2023 second-round pick (top-55 protected) in exchange for Doug McDermott (sign-and-trade), the Pacers’ 2023 second-round pick (top-55 protected), and the right to swap their own 2026 second-round pick for either the Pacers’ or the Heat’s 2026 second-round pick (whichever is least favorable).
              • Note: The Pacers created a $7,333,333 trade exception in the deal.
            • Acquired the draft rights to Juan Pablo Vaulet from the Nets in exchange for Edmond Sumner and the Heat’s 2025 second-round pick (top-37 protected).
            Draft picks:
            • 1-13: Chris Duarte
              • Signed to rookie scale contract (four years, $17,704,528).
            • 1-22: Isaiah Jackson
              • Signed to rookie scale contract (four years, $12,156,661).
            Contract extensions:
            • None
            Departing players:Other offseason news:
            • Hired Rick Carlisle as head coach to replace Nate Bjorkgren.
            • Hired Lloyd Pierce, Ronald Nored, Mike Weinar, Jenny Boucek, and Jannero Pargo as assistant coaches; lost assistant coaches Kaleb Canales and Greg Foster.
            • T.J. Warren remains sidelined indefinitely while recovering from his left foot injury and is expected to miss the start of the season.
            • Caris LeVert is dealing with a stress fracture in his back and is expected to miss the start of the season.
            Salary cap situation:
            • Remained over the cap and below the tax line.
            • Carrying approximately $133.5MM in salary.
            • $4,657,951 of non-taxpayer mid-level exception still available ($4,878,049 used on Torrey Craig).
            • Full bi-annual exception ($3,732,000) still available.
            • Four traded player exceptions available, including one worth $7.3MM.
            Lingering preseason issues:
            • The Pacers have 12 players on guaranteed contracts, with six – including Kelan Martin, Oshae Brissett, and Brad Wanamaker – on non-guaranteed deals. The Pacers could retain three of those non-guaranteed players or just two if they want to keep their 15th roster spot open.
            • Malcolm Brogdon, Caris LeVert, and Myles Turner are eligible for veteran contract extensions until October 18.
            • T.J. Warren and Jeremy Lamb are eligible for veteran contract extensions all season.

            The Pacers’ offseason:

            It was a disastrous 2020/21 season in Indiana, where the Pacers – who cited former head coach Nate McMillan‘s lack of postseason success when they let him go – underperformed to such an extent that they didn’t even make the playoffs under new coach Nate Bjorkgren, losing a play-in game to Washington to end their season.

            Injuries could be blamed at least in part for the Pacers’ letdown of a year. Key players like Myles Turner, Domantas Sabonis, and Malcolm Brogdon all missed double-digit games. T.J. Warren was sidelined for nearly the entire season. And Caris LeVert, acquired in the four-team trade that sent Victor Oladipo to Houston, was forced out of action when he was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma of his left kidney following what was supposed to be a routine physical.

            Still, Bjorkgren, a veteran assistant coach, didn’t adjust well to the top job, rubbing those in the organization the wrong way with an abrasive approach to leadership. The Pacers parted ways with him after just one year, with president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard acknowledging he made the wrong call in last year’s head coaching search.

            This time around, the coaching search was far narrower in its scope, as the Pacers zeroed in quickly on a familiar face. Rick Carlisle, who coached the team from 2003-07, has returned to Indiana and will try to get a team that had five consecutive playoff appearances prior to 2021 back on track.

            The Pacers appear to be betting heavily on Carlisle’s ability to get more out of the team’s core players than Bjorkgren did last season. Despite some rumblings that the front office would consider trading Turner, Brogdon, or another one of Indiana’s other starters, the club actually had a fairly quiet offseason in terms of player movement.

            The biggest name to be traded was Aaron Holiday, who never gained the sort of role he wanted in Indiana and had been the subject of trade rumors for a while. The Pacers sent him to Washington in a deal for the No. 22 pick, which was used on Kentucky center Isaiah Jackson.

            Unlike No. 13 overall pick Chris Duarte, Jackson probably isn’t ready for regular minutes as a rookie. While the Pacers raved about the big man’s energy and athleticism during training camp, he’s still just 19 years old, nearly five full years younger than Duarte, who was viewed as one of the most NBA-ready players in the 2021 draft class. There’s no reason the former Oregon sharpshooter can’t become a fixture in Indiana’s rotation immediately, and he should provide a boost to a team that ranked in the middle of the pack in three-point attempts and percentage last season.

            Duarte’s ability to hit outside shots and space the floor will be crucial, since Indiana lost Doug McDermott, one of the NBA’s top marksmen. McDermott had a career year in 2020/21, but entering the free agent period, there was a sense that his price tag would be too high for the Pacers, who were expected to prioritize re-signing point guard T.J. McConnell. That turned out to be the case — while Indiana got McConnell back on a deal that pays him $8.4MM annually, McDermott signed for nearly $14MM per year in San Antonio.

            The Pacers will miss McDermott’s shooting, but if Duarte proves he’s ready to contribute immediately, the drop-off shouldn’t be too significant, and the team was able to re-sign McConnell and add free agent wing Torrey Craig for a lesser combined cap hit than McDermott’s. McConnell and Craig are tough veterans who will help stabilize a defensive unit that experienced a dip in production last season after back-to-back top-six finishes.
            The Pacers’ upcoming season:

            Indiana is counting on Carlisle’s influence and some better injury luck to fuel a bounce-back year in 2021/22. Even if they’re right about Carlisle’s potential impact, there are early signs that the injury bug that plagued the Pacers a year ago isn’t done with the team yet.

            LeVert and T.J. Warren aren’t expected to be ready for the start of the season, Brogdon is banged up, and underrated wing Edmond Sumner sustained an Achilles tear that prompted the club to trade him in a salary-dump deal in order to create some extra breathing room below the tax line.

            There’s enough talent on the Pacers’ roster that a return to the postseason in 2022 is a very realistic goal, especially if Carlisle can get more out of the Turner/Domantas Sabonis frontcourt pairing than his predecessors did. But Indiana’s offensive upside is limited if Warren and/or LeVert aren’t at 100%, and it’s hard to shake the feeling that some personnel changes may be required to unlock the full potential of the roster.


            • #51
              While I selected the second choice (from the top), think that somewhere between the second and third choice is more realistic. Am predicting a 43W-39L season which will be better than play-in tourney, but not quite to the point of advancing against established top tier teams. Anything can happen though, so as always, am hoping they beat the odds and surprise everyone.


              • #52
                This is sort of odd but I am more excited about next season than this season. I have very little hope in this group becoming anything more than a first round exit.

                Guys who seem on the way out are Brogdon, Turner and Warren. I would much rather see a pg be brought in and rookies get playing time than see guys who are not in the future plans get trotted out like some cheap 90s cover band that no one wants to see.


                • #53
                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                  I honestly think his offense was overrated. It was better than McMillian's offense, but it was still very meh. According to BBref ratings we actually ranked better defensively (13th) than offensively (14th) last season.
                  That 14th ranked offense was the 2nd best the team has finished in the last decade. Our points per possession was the highest in franchise history. Granted offenses across the league exploded last season, it's still highly impressive given the obstacles Nate B had to overcome. Nearly every player on the roster performed better offensively than the year prior. By any statistical measure it was a big step up from the futile offenses the organization traditionally runs out there. Some of us had been begging for a more modern offense and Nate B brought it.


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                    That 14th ranked offense was the 2nd best the team has finished in the last decade. Our points per possession was the highest in franchise history. Granted offenses across the league exploded last season, it's still highly impressive given the obstacles Nate B had to overcome. Nearly every player on the roster performed better offensively than the year prior. By any statistical measure it was a big step up from the futile offenses the organization traditionally runs out there. Some of us had been begging for a more modern offense and Nate B brought it.
                    I said it was better than McMillian's offense.