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  • SaintLouisan
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    Originally posted by dal9 View Post
    i hope he gets it and dies...what a piece of ****
    LOL

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  • dal9
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    https://sports.yahoo.com/report-ben-...1.html?src=rss

    look at this ****...if he's unvaxxed specifically to tank his trade value, i'm sorry, i hope he gets it and dies...what a piece of ****

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  • 90'sNBARocked
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    any adv“If it takes five steps for two teams to complete a trade, it’s been described to B/R that no conversation with Philadelphia has truly advanced past step one,” wrote Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report. “Few talks actually generated formal offers, and Philadelphia has informed most teams their best path to acquiring Simmons is in a three-team structure, sources said. The Cavaliers and [Minnesota] Timberwolves, for example, have largely made pick-heavy overtures that Philadelphia has urged Cleveland and Minnesota to bring to teams with specific All-Star-caliber players the Sixers actually covet.”

    It’s clear that the Sixers’ asking price for Simmons is still exceptionally high. Philadelphia seemingly wants star players, not draft picks, who will help the team in its quest to contend for an NBA title in the 2021-22 season.

    Simmons is reportedly in the process of rejoining the Sixers, but it seems like the team is still looking to trade him.

    The Cavs continue being mentioned in rumors regarding Simmons. However, based on Fischer’s report, it sounds like Cleveland is going to have to offer a bigger package to Philadelphia if the Cavs want to get a deal done.

    Simmons would be a fascinating addition for Cleveland. Although he has some imperfections, he would certainly make the Cavs a better team.
    According to a report, the Cleveland Cavaliers have made "pick-heavy" offers to the Philadelphia 76ers in discussions for three-time All-Star Ben Simmons.

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  • OneMoreYear
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    Originally posted by owl View Post

    I will be more specific. You missed V's point about draft picks being lower level picks and not lottery. That tends to be where the Pacers pick and would continue to pick.


    Which is ironic, since he wrote that as a response to my post(s) noting that if we trade those picks for Simmons, the team's not going to be IN that pick range bc it'll either make us quite good if we succeed (if we get Ben to buy in) or take BAD (if Ben doesn't buy in).

    That point was completely ignored. He did not respond to, debate, or show any reaction to my original take and instead just gave a canned response on his opinion of our picks' usefulness in recent drafts.

    Infact I doubt the aspect I submitted to you all of how and why our picks would be shifted outside the "middle tier" was even considered before he wrote a standard, knee-jerk reaction about how our picks have been wasted recently.

    Honestly man, I shouldn't have to point this out.

    Again, this is why I feel anyone's attempt at an in depth discourse is frequently wasted on this forum. It's nothing but 5-second read & react in most cases. Fine, whatever, it doesn't matter, I'm just serving notice I'm not going to try any more & what's going to come from me from this point forward is quick reactions, fan takes & participating in game threads for the fun of it. I'm done trying to contribute anything of substance or consideration, and if you want my opinion, having been posting on here only fairly recently but having followed this board since it's inception, I think this kind of thing has contributed to driving down interest in real discussions. Yes, there are still some good ones occasionally come up, but mostly...yeah...
    Last edited by OneMoreYear; 10-13-2021, 12:56 PM.

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  • dal9
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    lol
    https://twitter.com/BetterWoj/status...43072260624389

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  • owl
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    Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

    That's...pretty ****ing unlikely considering it was my point being made to begin with, and therefore, my point being debated. I do not believe you are even vaguely aware of what point I was making in the first place, or indeed, read anything other than vnzla's response.

    Disagree? Go ahead. Tell me what point I was making. See if you can do it without going back and finding my OP.

    You can't, for the simple reason that vnzla's response was entirely irrelevant to the point I originally made.

    You people crack me up. Because not many of you read anything except the latest response in a discussion, and ends up having no idea what the original idea/theory was. It's like a forum version of the telephone game.

    I want to laugh. I really do.

    But here's what I see. It is virtually impossible for anyone, not just me but posters in general, to posit a thought provoking idea here because what inevitably happens is six people glom onto an irrelevant point and run with it, or completely miss the idea under debate.

    For instance, you have a discussion about how the Thunder are approaching things with this "assets" approach, essentially playing the middlemen to trade guys with diminished value on team A, show off something of value on a "window shopping" roster that exists only to boost guys' values, before trading him to team B for a different sort of asset. Then the conversation is completely hijacked as everyone chimes in about things like "oh can't do that it'll run our fit & defensive scheme for next season" which is of course utterly besides the point!

    Or a post about how pick values change when you make a move that's squarely big risk, boom or bust. Trotting out examples of underwhelming late-teen picks is irrelevant when discussing making a move that's either going to vault you into a top team or crash and burn. Letting yeah choose to swap picks with you for 3 yrs is obviously a VERY bad idea of you've gone high-risk: because you're only going to be able to pick of it's in the 20-30 range (ie swap not wanted) and you're going to lose each pick if you're a lottery team. The chances being roughly 50/50 since you've vacated "mediocre" with the high risk high reward acquisition Obv, as anyone would agree, BOTH likely outcomes are undesirable; losing the high picks because well you're trapped in the cellar, keeping the low value picks bc those picks by their nature had more trade value as assets 3 yrs ago, but now it's the #29 and actually more of an anchor than a desired asset.

    You have to look at it from a standpoint of the value everything has, both players and picks, and recognize how the value of those change from one year to the next. When you do that, it becomes apparent why I made my original point that trading 3 firsts in a "high risk" move of acquiring Simmons sets us up for a lose-lose situation where unless we win it all or very close to it, we've actually done more harm than good sucking ourselves in the "very good" category. That, I DO believe in, and I really don't want to be that club that has both maxed out their likely ceiling at 2nd Rd/fringe ECF pretender while also having mortgaged their future. Guys picked at 17, the TJ Leafs of the world, are irrelevant in that scenario bc they're not in your wheelhouse, as those next three picks are NOT going to be mid-1st picks.

    ​​​​​ Look, you're all fans, and I respect that, but I've lost my enthusiasm for trying to have a legit discussion with the "5 second read and react" mentality around here. It's fun to chime in with a comment or snap take, or chat during games, but I really have not seen anything here that leads me to believe folks by and large wish to participate in any in depth analysis. C'est la vie.
    I will be more specific. You missed V's point about draft picks being lower level picks and not lottery. That tends to be where the Pacers pick and would continue to pick.



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  • OneMoreYear
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    Originally posted by owl View Post

    I think you are missing the point.
    That's...pretty ****ing unlikely considering it was my point being made to begin with, and therefore, my point being debated. I do not believe you are even vaguely aware of what point I was making in the first place, or indeed, read anything other than vnzla's response.

    Disagree? Go ahead. Tell me what point I was making. See if you can do it without going back and finding my OP.

    You can't, for the simple reason that vnzla's response was entirely irrelevant to the point I originally made.

    You people crack me up. Because not many of you read anything except the latest response in a discussion, and ends up having no idea what the original idea/theory was. It's like a forum version of the telephone game.

    I want to laugh. I really do.

    But here's what I see. It is virtually impossible for anyone, not just me but posters in general, to posit a thought provoking idea here because what inevitably happens is six people glom onto an irrelevant point and run with it, or completely miss the idea under debate.

    For instance, you have a discussion about how the Thunder are approaching things with this "assets" approach, essentially playing the middlemen to trade guys with diminished value on team A, show off something of value on a "window shopping" roster that exists only to boost guys' values, before trading him to team B for a different sort of asset. Then the conversation is completely hijacked as everyone chimes in about things like "oh can't do that it'll run our fit & defensive scheme for next season" which is of course utterly besides the point!

    Or a post about how pick values change when you make a move that's squarely big risk, boom or bust. Trotting out examples of underwhelming late-teen picks is irrelevant when discussing making a move that's either going to vault you into a top team or crash and burn. Letting yeah choose to swap picks with you for 3 yrs is obviously a VERY bad idea of you've gone high-risk: because you're only going to be able to pick of it's in the 20-30 range (ie swap not wanted) and you're going to lose each pick if you're a lottery team. The chances being roughly 50/50 since you've vacated "mediocre" with the high risk high reward acquisition Obv, as anyone would agree, BOTH likely outcomes are undesirable; losing the high picks because well you're trapped in the cellar, keeping the low value picks bc those picks by their nature had more trade value as assets 3 yrs ago, but now it's the #29 and actually more of an anchor than a desired asset.

    You have to look at it from a standpoint of the value everything has, both players and picks, and recognize how the value of those change from one year to the next. When you do that, it becomes apparent why I made my original point that trading 3 firsts in a "high risk" move of acquiring Simmons sets us up for a lose-lose situation where unless we win it all or very close to it, we've actually done more harm than good sucking ourselves in the "very good" category. That, I DO believe in, and I really don't want to be that club that has both maxed out their likely ceiling at 2nd Rd/fringe ECF pretender while also having mortgaged their future. Guys picked at 17, the TJ Leafs of the world, are irrelevant in that scenario bc they're not in your wheelhouse, as those next three picks are NOT going to be mid-1st picks.

    ​​​​​ Look, you're all fans, and I respect that, but I've lost my enthusiasm for trying to have a legit discussion with the "5 second read and react" mentality around here. It's fun to chime in with a comment or snap take, or chat during games, but I really have not seen anything here that leads me to believe folks by and large wish to participate in any in depth analysis. C'est la vie.
    Last edited by OneMoreYear; 10-11-2021, 08:32 PM.

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  • owl
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    Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

    Exactly which of these guys were lottery picks, again?
    I think you are missing the point.

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  • OneMoreYear
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    And then you realize that you are losing nothing by giving them all those picks swaps.

    Sorry if I don’t care to lose on the next Goga, Leaf, Myles Turner IDGAF
    Exactly which of these guys were lottery picks, again?

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  • yoadknux
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    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    one way to look at it, another way is the sixers have tried for months to trade him at a ridiculous price and now everyone is making them eat this toxic, turd sandwich they've made until they wise up and take a reasonable deal.
    Or our players have garbage value, insufficient to acquire overpriced injured players (Hayward) or players that won't even play for their team (Simmons)

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  • Trader Joe
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    one way to look at it, another way is the sixers have tried for months to trade him at a ridiculous price and now everyone is making them eat this toxic, turd sandwich they've made until they wise up and take a reasonable deal.

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  • dal9
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    looks like it took about a $1M hit for simmons to ***** out and return lmao

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  • Rogco
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    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    In the end, I suspect 2 things will happen.

    1 ) Sixers trade Simmons to any other Team not named the Pacers ( which is likely )

    or

    2 ) Sixers trade Simmons to the Pacers but it costs them Simmons + Levert + multiple 1st round picks and pick swaps

    In other words; I'm suggesting the obvious.

    Simmons isn't going to the Pacers ( duh ) or the Pacers significantly overpay to outbid all the other Teams ( simply cuz that's what the Pacers are often forced to do ).

    I know that many of you don't care about draft picks; but given all of the "negatives" and legitimate concerns that many of us have about Simmons and his willingness to actually play in Indy, I don't think that it's a good idea to gamble and overpay to get him. IF it happens; this could easily be one of those moves that gets the Pacers to the next level or it could be one that will ruin this Team for the next 5 years.
    That's not an overpay, that's probably what Philly is going to get. Regardless of the reduced trade value talk, Philly will still get some decent players and a couple 1st round picks from someone, be it Pacers or another team. Likely another team, and we will all comment about how it was a lot to give up and I'm glad the Pacers didn't give up that much.

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  • Ichi
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    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    Not sure if it's true or not....but Embiid said that the Sixers traded Butler cuz he didn't fit with Simmons.
    Philly let Jimmy go in FA, sort of. People have also said that there was basically no chance Jimmy was staying once he started talks with Miami, as the "culture" there alligns closely with his own ideals and work ethic.

    Iirc, Philly was hesitant at first though to give him a max, so it did lead to him having discussions with Miami, at which point all hope was lost for him staying. That's what I think I remember at least.

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  • Ozys Nepimpis
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    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
    Pacers package of players is a big risk for Philly. LaVert has the fracture in his back...still not sure how that happens playing basketball in the offseason. Warren still in a boot for a year now. Brogdon is prone to strains in his hips and groin.
    ....and getting Ben is no risk at all....

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