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  • Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
    Hell no to including LeVert in any deal for Simmons.

    Brogdon, Justin Holiday, Jeremy Lamb, and 1st rounder would be my max offer.
    You move LeVert because he’s a worse shooter and defender than Brogdon. He’s an awkward fit with Simmons since he isn’t that good of a shooter

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    • Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
      Simmons is huge gamble with that contract. He's paid like a superstar but he's far from one. I doubt if he'll ever be the #1 scoring option on any good team and yes I know he plays great D but not on a level that justifies his huge contract. You're paying for potential due to Simmons age if you take on that contract and you have to hope he lives up to it. I'm fine with taking the gamble but not if it means giving up more than 2 solid starter level players which doesn't include our only all star player. Look at what we received for Paul George who was a much better player when we moved him. I doubt if Dipo had more value than Brogdon does now and Sabonis was a bench player at the time and we received no damn picks. I know that PG was at the end of his contract and Simmons still has 4 years left but PG wasn't refusing to play for us either. If you give up 2 starters to get Simmons I don't think a pick should be in play.
      NO PICKS!!!!....who wants to lose talents like TJ Leaf.....A Holiday....and Goga

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      • We seem to have gone from dark horse to favorite in this race.

        NBA Rumors: The Sixers have found a trade partner for Ben Simmons (msn.com)

        NBA Rumors: The Sixers have found a trade partner for Ben Simmons

        Ernesto Cova 2 hrs ago

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        It would be for the best for both Ben Simmons and the Philadelphia 76ers to find a trade partner right away. The NBA season is just around the corner and the Sixers need to add more pieces to their roster, while Simmons needs to stop losing money.



        With that in mind, it seems like Daryl Morey could be on to something right now. He knows that he may not get the All-NBA caliber player he was expected in return for Simmons, so he had to get creative.

        And, according to multiple reports, the Indiana Pacers are emerging as a likely destination for the Australian, with Caris LeVert and/or Malcolm Brogdon as the two centerpieces of the potential deal.


        Video player from: YouTube (Privacy Policy, Terms)NBA Rumors: Pacers And Sixers Are Talking About A Ben Simmons Trade


        "League sources confirm that the Pacers are among the teams who have talked to the Philadelphia 76ers about a potential Simmons trade. Caris LeVert was among the players brought up in those communications, per SNY sources. It is unknown if talks between Philadelphia and Indiana have progressed beyond run-of-the-mill contact," reported Ian Begley of SNY.

        "In addition to Caris LeVert, sources say the #Sixers have also inquired about Malcolm Brogdon - citing his high-level two-way game and capacity to play both guard positions as a plus alongside Joel Embiid. One more note: The #Pacers control all of their draft picks as well," added insider Jordan Schultz.

        Adding Brogdon would give the Sixers another solid playmaker and versatile defender. He can also play off the bench if Tyrese Maxey is ready to start, and he's got the ability and length to play and guard multiple positions.

        Obviously, there are still details to figure out and the Pacers would need to trade them before they sign an extension on October 18, so this is a story we'll have to follow pretty closely over the next couple of days.
        Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

        Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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        • If this happens, what's the next move? You're looking at:

          Sabonis
          Warren
          Turner
          ????
          Simmons

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          • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

            You move LeVert because he’s a worse shooter and defender than Brogdon. He’s an awkward fit with Simmons since he isn’t that good of a shooter
            I agree, but Philly has to have a PG coming back so I think Brogdon's most likely to be gone in any deal we do with them unless some other teams get involved.

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            • Originally posted by Grimp View Post
              If this happens, what's the next move? You're looking at:

              Sabonis
              Warren
              Turner
              ????
              Simmons
              It wouldn't surprise me if that team ends up the lowest scoring team in the NBA.

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              • Need to find a way to bring back Jaden Springer in any deal for Simmons.

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                • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                  Break him into the Hoosier lifestyle.

                  Take him to Edward's and get him a jumbo tenderloin. With onion rings. And a shake.
                  I was referring to buying Brogdon his first Philly Cheesesteak at the World Famous Geno's Cheesesteak shop.

                  I assume you mean to break Simmons into the "Hoosier lifestyle"?

                  You have to start him off at St. Elmo's or Harry & Izzy's Steakhouse. I'll buy Simmons his first Shrimp Cocktail ( with extra horseradish sauce ) at Izzy's.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                    On average LeVert plays in 66% of games per season. On average Brogdon players 75% of games per season. Unless Brogdon is really a major locker room issue, I see absolutely no reason why anyone would want to trade Brogdon over LeVert. Brogdon is both the better player and the more healthy player. Having Brogdon play next to Simmons would put him back into a similar role he had when he joined the 50-40-90 club in Milwaukee.
                    I thought the overall narrative from the Pacers beat writers was that Brogdon was a locker room problem. But I don't know if not being the Leader that the Pacers was hoping that he'd become is different than being the Locker Room problem that he was rumored to be ( according to Agness ).
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                      It wouldn't surprise me if that team ends up the lowest scoring team in the NBA.
                      Maybe this season.....but we all can hope that KP is going to try to make trades between now and the summer of 2022 to better fit around a Player like Simmons.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        I thought the overall narrative from the Pacers beat writers was that Brogdon was a locker room problem. But I don't know if not being the Leader that the Pacers was hoping that he'd become is different than being the Locker Room problem that he was rumored to be ( according to Agness ).
                        Yeah, I just find it hard to believe he is a locker room problem. He was very well liked in Milwaukee, and specifically bu Giannis. I seriously doubt he came here and suddenly became toxic. Last season was a tough season for the team, that can cause friction, but I think any issue with the locker room last year was due to Nate. Having a well regarded and experienced coach will likely resolve those issues.

                        I do think it is clear he isn't the leader the Pacers were hoping he was.

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                        • Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                          I do think it is clear he isn't the leader the Pacers were hoping he was.
                          Brogdon is a leader . . .

                          in turnovers, forced shots at the rim, and half-a$$ed defensive attempts.

                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                          • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                            It wouldn't surprise me if that team ends up the lowest scoring team in the NBA.


                            Brogdon and Levert for Simmons makes sense though. The Sixers would be a more 'complete' team when you add that to Embiid and Harris. Also, it helps them put together a package for Dame if/when he comes available. They'd probably have two Pacers 1sts, plus their owns 1sts, to throw into any package for Dame. I'm just not sure if this would be "it" for Indy. I imagine if the deal happens, they probably move one of the bigs to Sacramento for Buddy Hield.

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                            • Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                              If this happens, what's the next move? You're looking at:

                              Sabonis
                              Warren
                              Turner
                              ????
                              Simmons
                              I think you could pretty safely slot Duarte in at SG...

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                              • This guy's the Sixers beat writer. Wonder if he has any sources or if he's just full of it?

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