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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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2020 NBA Playoffs: (4) Indiana vs (5) Miami

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
    I think a key for this series will be trying to keep Bam away from the ball on defense. Put Turner in the corner, let 1-4 screen for each other. Try to either have the Heat switch into a favorable matchup for the Pacers or force them into rotations they may not be used to.

    Bam will cheat off Myles, so it's up to Turner to make him pay for that from the corner. But I don't believe that having Turner set the high screen and having him either roll or pop will help much in this particular series. If the Heat try to adjust putting Bam on anybody else on the floor, I'm not sure it's going to work out for them.

    On the other side, the Pacers can't play much of their traditional defense. They have to give up some layups in order to stay out on the three point shooters. Butler will score a decent amount, but the Heat don't have a ton of guys who will just destroy you at the rim.

    I'm not that confident in this series because the Pacers have to make some major adjustments in order to match their personnel against Miami's strengths. I think they have the personnel to possibly do it, but it is really hard to just fundamentally change who you are.
    I disagree, I think having Turner pop to the free throw line would be a great option. He has always been very good at shooting from the 10-16 ft range, this year he is above 50%. It is a much better shot for him than a 3. He can force the Heat to respect him from there.

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    • #32
      Nate should definitely consider putting Aliza Johnson in the rotation. He's the best rebounder on the team now that Sabonis is out.

      Both of these teams are inconsistent from game to game. The team that shoots the best from 3 will probably win each game.

      The Heat rookies might struggle in the playoffs. Nunn has been struggling shooting from the field and the Heat have been having health issues. DJJ's injury in particular is bad for them because he plays with a lot of energy off the bench and has been a matchup problem for the Pacers.

      Pacers in 7.

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      • #33
        Heat in 5. Wish we could have played Boston, they have no one on their roster that can push Myles around.
        Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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        • #34
          I don't want to see Oladipo on Robinson again. He's much better defending on the ball and tends to drift too far off of shooters. Let him harass Dragic, if his buddy Jimmy says it's alright to. Wish Nate would move A. Holiday back to the 6th man spot and start J. Holiday or Sumner for the sole purpose of chasing and denying Robinson.

          And please either don't crash the glass too soon off of 3 point attempts or hope for some lucky bounces because it sucks watching long rebounds sail over their heads again and again. Shades of the 2014 Hawks series.

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          • #35
            So who’s their regular starting 5 when everybody is healthy?

            btw I agree that Vic needs to be on Dragic or Nunn.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

              I disagree, I think having Turner pop to the free throw line would be a great option. He has always been very good at shooting from the 10-16 ft range, this year he is above 50%. It is a much better shot for him than a 3. He can force the Heat to respect him from there.
              It’s a great shot if they’ll give it to him but why would they? They’ll just fight through his weak pick, or switch and force our guards to isolate knowing we can’t take advantage of his size.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                It’s a great shot if they’ll give it to him but why would they? They’ll just fight through his weak pick, or switch and force our guards to isolate knowing we can’t take advantage of his size.
                When Myles sets a good pick, good things happen but that doesn't happen often enough. Sometimes it's the guard not being patient enough but most of the time it's his fault.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                  When Myles sets a good pick, good things happen but that doesn't happen often enough. Sometimes it's the guard not being patient enough but most of the time it's his fault.

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                  Myles is not a good pick n roll player. Watch the 2nd quarter of the Lakers game. Malcom and Vic tried several times to pick n roll with Myles and he sucked in every aspect. Couldn’t set a good pick to get the guy open, couldn’t get open on the roll, when he got open off a roll he couldn’t catch the ball. He has terrible hands. He’s uncoordinated like he plays a half step slow.

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                  • #39
                    Don't mean to be negative, but I think if our chances in the series are entirely dependent on Nate making significant changes to either the lineup or game plan (as seems to be the prevailing thought by this board), we are setting ourselves up for disappointment. Sincerely hope I'm wrong.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by 712Jefferson View Post
                      Don't mean to be negative, but I think if our chances in the series are entirely dependent on Nate making significant changes to either the lineup or game plan (as seems to be the prevailing thought by this board), we are setting ourselves up for disappointment. Sincerely hope I'm wrong.
                      He’s changed the game plan numerous times this season. Last year he was stubborn but this year he’s changed things up a lot. Just look at the First 4 games in the bubble. He’s opened the offense up, they’ve shot more 3s, and their pace has picked up. They’re not Portland or Dallas on offense but since they hold teams to just 107 a game, they don’t need to be.

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                      • #41
                        I hear you and want to believe that's a credit to him (I'm not a Nate hater, by the way), but pretty sure it's more a byproduct of Domas being injured and having no other option. In the one game we matched up against Miami in the bubble with starters playing, he was badly outcoached by Spoelstra, as I think we all expected. Please Nate, please..... prove us wrong.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post

                          He’s changed the game plan numerous times this season. Last year he was stubborn but this year he’s changed things up a lot. Just look at the First 4 games in the bubble. He’s opened the offense up, they’ve shot more 3s, and their pace has picked up. They’re not Portland or Dallas on offense but since they hold teams to just 107 a game, they don’t need to be.
                          The team shot 39% from the field and 29% from 3. That's the real reason they lost to the Heat on Monday. The starters we're slow and flat-footed all night. It was tied at halftime. The bench came in and couldn't hit a thing late in the 3rd. McDermott and J. Holiday shot a combined 2-12 from three hitting only one a piece. Many of those shots were off good offensive plays, they just couldn't execute.

                          Spoelstra is a very good coach but he doesn't have any Superstars on his team. They have several rookies and young guys that will be playing in the playoffs for the first time too. Veteran experience is important in the playoffs and the Pacers have more of it.

                          If the team hits their open shots, force turnovers, and get some easy fastbreak buckets, they'll win. If not, they'll lose against the Heat.


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                          • #43
                            If Pacers want to win they will need to really pick up the perimeter defense. Keep Adebayo average. Hope Warren is healthy.
                            They have shown they are going to double team Warren so you better have plays to break him open via player and ball movement
                            The Pacers do have an advantage with more veteran players. Someday they will break out of the first round.
                            Probably not this year.
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                            • #44
                              I think Spoelstra is overrated. He might me better than McMillan but that doesn't mean he is good. I remember the past couple seasons he was getting so much praise for Miami's good record in the 2nd half of the season or something like that. People forgot how bad they started in those seasons.

                              And if Spoelstra was so good why did Miami miss the playoffs last year?

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                              • #45
                                I think we have the talent to beat the heat

                                I am deathly afraid of Nate's inability to adjust in game

                                Spostra> Nate

                                Heat in 6

                                Sittin on top of the world!

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