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Who or what is at fault for the defensive collapse that has occurred over the previous 8-10 games

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  • #46
    Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

    We should never play Domas and Myles together ...twin towers are over...
    No they are not.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by owl View Post

      That is a real problem. Most everyone that people on the board want will end up making the Pacers worse.
      The alternative is getting an athletic sf or pf as a back up or starter and keep Myles.
      Now if Boston wants to give up Tatum or Brown and high pick I will reconsider. But Ainge being Ainge he will be greedy so I see nothing happening with them plus they are in the same conference
      i want Danilo Gallinari.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        Pacers have played some zone the past two games.

        I think what is at fault is - what for it. You aren't going to like it. Fatigue. Team as a whole is mentally and physically tired. I said you didn't want to hear this, but I believe that is the biggest treason.

        Last night against the Bucks the defense was really good especially to start the game.
        I am sure they are but so is everyone else they lost to. I do no think that is a valid excuse. I think integrating VO is a bigger issue. That and scouting by other teams. Pacers need to adjust.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

          i want Danilo Gallinari.
          Worse rebounder, shooting percentage and defender than Myles. He shoots free throws better.
          That does not sound like an improvement to me.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by owl View Post

            Worse rebounder, shooting percentage and defender than Myles. He shoots free throws better.
            That does not sound like an improvement to me.
            better bbiq...similar rebounder deadeye 3p shooter....NOT SOFT...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

              Which, by the way, means that the players (in this case our guards) are not the only ones to blame. Nate deserves part of that blame as well. Limiting Myles' minutes as much as he's doing recently is a bad idea and has directly contributed to a number of our losses.
              Limiting Myles, means the Pacers don't get the same amount of defensive stops, which means less extra possessions. There is obviously a balance as to how much Myles should be on the floor and maintaining the defense needed to win a game. Nate just let it get out of whack Olapdipo back. Combine that with our abysmal 3pt shooting from the starting backcourt, that's a recipe for losing.

              If anything needs to change outside of increasing Myle's minutes, Oladipo needs to get his minutes reduced until he shows some consistency, and more McDermott shooting is needed.
              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                Twin towers is marginally better than playing without another big. I will give that to the tower people. But they forget that we would do much better with a legitimate PF starting next to Domas.
                Again... Who?

                Domas' style and his particular limitations seem to preclude having a bruiser that'll fight for rebounds and protect the rim bc if you go with that guy, he's going to need to occupy the low post. A sharpshooting stretch 4 is not likely to help our perimeter D not deter drives. As with most of these players, their primary strength is spacing for the offense.

                As amazing as Domas is, and he's clearly our cornerstone player now, he comes with a unique set of weaknesses that no one player is going to cover, unless youre going to get one of a limited number of superstar "unicorn" bigs. That's not going to happen. Myles one major strength is his shotblocking, which at this point is not important enough to accept the other holes that exist.

                The player in Myles' spot needs to be specialized, either a killer 3pt shooter or a rebounding, drive deterring beast. You're not gonna get both in one body. Get one or the other, and rethink your strategies and schemes to account for the remaining deficiencies. IMHO, our 5th starter needs to rebound and defend primarily, and you hope and pray that Domas starts to become a legitimate deep threat. If neither happens, then you play to your strengths which are, currently, that we are a middling to poor defense and you lean on your offense & pace to try to outgun your opponent. Or you sacrifice offense & spacing to get more physical on D. We need to understand our identity and play to our strengths instead of trying to do everything at a so-so level.

                So I put the onus on the roster configuration, and on Nate for our current offensive & defensive philosophies which have us squarely "average" on both sides of the ball. We are clearly exceptional in a few skills but don't take full advantage of what we're really good at, and we're astonishingly inept in certain others. The result is a giant meh.

                Look at our second unit. Not a defensive force. But by playing to their strengths, speed and shooting, they're able to be disruptive and avoid getting bogged down in half court. No you can't rely on that as your starting 5 but it's an example of controlling the game by playing the way you want to.
                Last edited by OneMoreYear; 02-13-2020, 02:03 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by OneMoreYear View Post

                  Again... Who?

                  Domas' style and his particular limitations seem to preclude having a bruiser that'll fight for rebounds and protect the rim bc if you go with that guy, he's going to need to occupy the low post. A sharpshooting stretch 4 is not likely to help our perimeter D not deter drives. As with most of these players, their primary strength is spacing for the offense.

                  As amazing as Domas is, and he's clearly our cornerstone player now, he comes with a unique set of weaknesses that no one player is going to cover, unless youre going to get one of a limited number of superstar "unicorn" bigs. That's not going to happen. Myles one major strength is his shotblocking, which at this point is not important enough to accept the other holes that exist.

                  The player in Myles' spot needs to be specialized, either a killer 3pt shooter or a rebounding, drive deterring beast. You're not gonna get both in one body. Get one or the other, and rethink your strategies and schemes to account for the remaining deficiencies. IMHO, our 5th starter needs to rebound and defend primarily, and you hope and pray that Domas starts to become a legitimate deep threat. If neither happens, then you play to your strengths which are, currently, that we are a middling to poor defense and you lean on your offense & pace to try to outgun your opponent. Or you sacrifice offense & spacing to get more physical on D. We need to understand our identity and play to our strengths instead of trying to do everything at a so-so level.

                  So I put the onus on the roster configuration, and on Nate for our current offensive & defensive philosophies which have us squarely "average" on both sides of the ball. We are clearly exceptional in a few skills but don't take full advantage of what we're really good at, and we're astonishingly inept in certain others. The result is a giant meh.

                  Look at our second unit. Not a defensive force. But by playing to their strengths, speed and shooting, they're able to be disruptive and avoid getting bogged down in half court. No you can't rely on that as your starting 5 but it's an example of controlling the game by playing the way you want to.
                  I am most exited with the death line up of Domas Vic,,,both Holidays and Doug.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                    better bbiq...similar rebounder deadeye 3p shooter....NOT SOFT...
                    He’s soft and the team defense goes way down the well. Plus he’s usually injured when you need him. Do you want to see Galo try guarding Giannis?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                      He’s soft and the team defense goes way down the well. Plus he’s usually injured when you need him. Do you want to see Galo try guarding Giannis?
                      Do you want softner guarding Giannis?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                        Do you want softner guarding Giannis?
                        By far better than Galo

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                          The issue is that the guards/wings are not directing their players to the rim right now. They're letting them blow by. Directing their players to the rim means shadowing them and making sure that they can't pass the ball out or do anything else other than attempt to drive to the rim. That's what the ECF teams did. The guards/wings were shadowing their opponents as they were driving to the rim and that eliminated possible kick-out passes. The opponents could either stop and take a mid-range jumper or challenge Roy at the rim. That's how it worked. We aren't doing any of that right now. Our guards/wing right now aren't shadowing their opponents. They aren't eliminating possible kick-out passes. They are just letting them blow by and then try to scramble to the shooters.
                          Let's just go with this and assume that it is mostly correct (I'm not sure it is but for the sake of my question let's say so).

                          Why? What happened between 3-4 weeks ago that caused all of our wing players to do this?


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Peck View Post

                            Let's just go with this and assume that it is mostly correct (I'm not sure it is but for the sake of my question let's say so).

                            Why? What happened between 3-4 weeks ago that caused all of our wing players to do this?
                            From my perspective I think it has been happening all season. It was less obvious previously because

                            1) it was sharper at the beginning but got sloppier as time went on
                            2) we were playing teams that didn't take advantage of it
                            3) the problem is exacerbated by disrupting lineups due to injury and injury returns
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                              Do you want softner guarding Giannis?
                              I have been pretty sure this whole time that this is a second account opened by V. I think he forgot which account he was signed in to.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Peck View Post

                                Let's just go with this and assume that it is mostly correct (I'm not sure it is but for the sake of my question let's say so).

                                Why? What happened between 3-4 weeks ago that caused all of our wing players to do this?
                                One other thing I would like to point out is that maybe the premise of your question is wrong as well. You describe it as a collapse. But if we look back at the last 10 games (starting with the GS game which is often cited as the start of this problem), which have not been good defensively, it's not even the worst 10 game defensive stretch of the season.

                                So maybe it's just a rough patch. Other than the Portland game, it's not jump off the page bad defense, just not good either.

                                I can tell you things are a little worse almost across the board. Teams are shooting better, the Pacers are fouling more and rebounding less.

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