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  • #31
    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

    Really ?? WHO is going to take care of those things ?? Domas ?? Goga ?? Leaf ?? All laughable at rim protection.

    So do enlighten us - who's it going to be ??
    Read or better yet quote the rest of my post that we would need to acquire someone to fulfill that purpose.

    We don't need someone to rack up blocks or lead the league in that near meaningless stat. We need someone to do protect the rim adequately, stay in position and rebound at a respectable level so our wings don't need to carry that load. We need a player who doesn't get easily pushed around.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by solid View Post
      While at the same time it is clear that we have too many small wings. do a two for one swap with a guard and wing for a good rebounding big who can defend.
      This. I'm glad you get it.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by solid View Post
        It is not an assumption of any kind. We simply do not have reliable rim protection without Myles Turner. Teams run dowhill on us without him for long periods. That would get only worse as tems would play to it when they knew we had no real counter.
        We could maybe trade him and get a guy back that replaces the rim protection. Can the return also score? Does he want to be here? Can we lock him up long term? How is his overall game? Just too many questions. It's easier to match Turner up with a guy who can defend the perimeter and rebound than it is to match Domas with a guy who can supplement his weaknesses. Turner still has upside, and may yet have a higher ceiling, though Domas is playing great. I think we have a better chance of Myles growing into better player in the next two or three years than we do of trading him for someone better.
        may yet have a higher ceiling than Domas?...as Domas is going to be All NBA next year.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

          Twin towers is DOA...

          Edit: and looking at the second example Lamb is cheating to the paint to help Myles rebound and the ball goes over his head. This is the issue. Guys are going to the rim because our starting C isn't doing his job of rebounding.
          Twin towers is not DOA. You'd need to legit bigs to call this a twin towers when in reality we have a 7 foot shooting guard attempting to play center on defense.

          I agree with the second statement. People really need to watch Turner versus a guy like Foster or Domas, or even an all time great like Rodman. Even prior to the shot going up, those 3 would position themselves for the board and put body on man... Turner just stops and stares and will swat at the ball if it's around him. Turner has never and will never possess big man fundamentals and the organization needs to stop acting like he ever will. But also, playing Domas for as long as we often do and asking him to be the sole rebounder is not a recipe for success either.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
            Read or better yet quote the rest of my post that we would need to acquire someone to fulfill that purpose.
            And again I ask - WHO fills that role.

            If you complain about something without a solution - you're just whining. Or chasing a unicorn.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

              And again I ask - WHO fills that role.

              If you complain about something without a solution - you're just whining. Or chasing a unicorn.
              Serge Ibaka was recently listed as one of the players most likely to be traded this season. He regularly outplays Myles and has championship experience. He's also not soft as a marshmallow and he cleans glass. He even shoots the 3 adequately.

              Personally, I think Domas handles the C position fine and he might not be a shot-blocker if you pair him with Kevin Love we would roast teams on offense. Offense ultimately beats defense every time especially with today's rules in the NBA.
              Last edited by BlueNGold; 01-05-2020, 04:55 PM.

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              • #37
                Ibaka has lost a step defensively. But he is most certainly a better rebounder than Myles is. On the other hand, I don't think Ibaka would have the same success he is having in Toronto. Their collection of athletic wings is better than ours at this point. If they don't get beat as often, you don't have to rotate as often.

                Also, Kevin Love. Well let's just do away with defense and get a horrible contract that will put us in cap hell, because this blueprint has been working for the Washington Wizards. Oh wait...
                Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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                • #38
                  ^^ Exactly. It's not like these guys people are fantasizing about are readily available.

                  12 & 6, 2 blocks a game and the other defensive aspects Turner brings to the team is tough to replace. If there was a legit deal out there that would make the team better - sure - do it. Suggest a trade just because you don't like the guy or whatever and not making the team better (and probably worse with some of the names mentioned), well that's foolish.

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                  • #39
                    Had anyone considered that opponents are also able to crash the boards and commit to chasing offensive rebounds simply because they don't (currently) fear our pace?

                    I'm going to be real curious to see how teams adjust when Dipo & Brogdon are playing. IMO, I think our not being a real threat as a fastbreak team is permitting teams to get away with this. Hence, they're not only under the basket but routinely have guys ready to chase the longer rebounds.

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                    • #40
                      Until some of you pay attention to how the team plays without Domas on the floor will you understand that Myles isn't helping us. Ibaka would be able to hold the fort and in fact Kyle O'Quinn wouldn't have this much trouble. Myles has got to be one of the more over-rated Pacers since I started watching the team in 1969. The good news is that the Pacers will not sit on the situation forever. They will fix this twin tower thing sooner rather than later. It isn't ever going to be the answer to contend.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        Until some of you pay attention to how the team plays without Domas on the floor will you understand that Myles isn't helping us. Ibaka would be able to hold the fort and in fact Kyle O'Quinn wouldn't have this much trouble. Myles has got to be one of the more over-rated Pacers since I started watching the team in 1969. The good news is that the Pacers will not sit on the situation forever. They will fix this twin tower thing sooner rather than later. It isn't ever going to be the answer to contend.
                        Myles and Domas ON NETRTG +7
                        Domas without Myles NETRTG +6.3
                        Myles without Domas NETRTG -5.9
                        No Myles or Domas NETRTG -3.7

                        Without Domas it's complete disaster...but Myles with Domas we are good
                        https://stats.nba.com/impact/advance...mID=1610612754
                        Domas needs to play 38min a game
                        Last edited by pimpis zajoba; 01-05-2020, 09:08 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                          Myles and Domas ON NETRTG +7
                          Domas without Myles NETRTG +6.3
                          Myles without Domas NETRTG -5.9
                          No Myles or Domas NETRTG -3.7

                          Without Domas it's complete disaster...but Myles with Domas we are good
                          https://stats.nba.com/impact/advance...mID=1610612754
                          Domas needs to play 38min a game
                          This. I see that Domas with Myles has the best net rating. That just means that Myles is better than Doug McDermott paired in the front court. That doesn't say much.

                          We really suffer sometimes because we don't have good length and rebounding at the 4. And no Domas is not a 4. Never has been.

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                          • #43
                            The biggest problem with our rebounding right now is that our wings are not positioning well for long rebounds, so the rebounds often go over their heads and to the other team. They instead like to position themselves to get the mid range rebounds. This really isn't a complicated issue, and while Myles's ability to rebound certainly does not help he is not the main or even major cause of the problem.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                              The biggest problem with our rebounding right now is that our wings are not positioning well for long rebounds, so the rebounds often go over their heads and to the other team. They instead like to position themselves to get the mid range rebounds. This really isn't a complicated issue, and while Myles's ability to rebound certainly does not help he is not the main or even major cause of the problem.
                              I am glad you point this out. Why do you think our wings are positioning the way they are? Why is Domas grabbing so many boards in the paint? The answer to these questions are the same answer.

                              Did you see the videos that formed the basis for this thread where the ball was going over their heads?

                              It's not that they like to position themselves for mid range rebounds. I guess Domas probably likes to be in the paint (rather than out on the perimeter guarding stretch 4'). It's that they (Domas and Lamb in particular) have been instructed to get them and most boards are closer to the rim.

                              If Myles held position and contended well in traffic for rebounds they wouldn't be doing precisely what you say they are doing. They instead would be doing what you want them to be doing. Or actually you need them as a Pacer fan to do what they are doing...which is compensating for Myles' inability to hold position and grab boards consistently.
                              Last edited by BlueNGold; 01-05-2020, 10:45 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                                This. I see that Domas with Myles has the best net rating. That just means that Myles is better than Doug McDermott paired in the front court. That doesn't say much.

                                We really suffer sometimes because we don't have good length and rebounding at the 4. And no Domas is not a 4. Never has been.
                                College he played the four...He was a four his rookie season with OKC.. when we traded for him he was a four...when he played on the National basketball team he was the four.. not saying he can’t play the 5 but his primary position is the four. That’s how we use him currently. But also since it’s position less basketball now it does not matter what a 4 or a 5 does now on offense. Pretty much offense is position less now. 2-4 are point guards now
                                Last edited by Motion Offense; 01-05-2020, 11:25 PM.

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