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Odd Thoughts: L.A. Confidential (losing to the Clippers)

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    Odd Thoughts: L.A. Confidential (losing to the Clippers)

    We lost to L.A. tonight, I would suspect that we should get used to it. We play L.A. teams three more times and I don't believe I see a win in our future barring some massive injuries on their teams.

    What sucks is that in both games the remnants of our best Pacers teams of the previous decade (for me the previous 19 years) are on both teams. Paul on the Clippers and Frank leading the Lakers.

    Tonight's odd thoughts are going very very old school, there will be no grades nor will there be a good bad or ugly. We are just going to go all over the place and talk about issues as it strikes me.

    Right off the bat I want to address Paul George's "cryptic" response about how he someday is going to tell the truth about why he left and how we should all be "booing" that person. The first thing that comes to mind is that while I love Paul George the basketball player I really don't care much for Paul George the diva. Let's just get this out of the way, it's Larry Bird. Anybody in the local media acting like they don't know is either being disingenuous, obtuse or flat out dumb. Yes we get it Paul, Larry is an old school player who did not cater to your whims as much as you thought he should have. Just have the guts to come out and say it, don't give us this crap of "someday". He won't say it because he knows that at this point in time in history Larry Bird is still more beloved in the NBA than he is. BTW this is coming from somebody who hated Larry Bird the player. I grew up hating the guy, to me he was nothing but and effing Celtic and I hate Celtics by virtue of sacred law. But Paul didn't like his statements about about how Paul didn't run things here and he hated the idea of being asked to play the four.

    For the record, I hated the idea of playing Paul at the four as well. Not as much as I hated C.J. Miles there but still. In my heart there is still a part of me that believes that Paul would have stayed if we could have done anything at all to build around him. But C.J. Miles, LaVoy Allen, Rodney Stucky and Monta "never as good as Danny" Ellis were the bums we put with him after he came back from injury. I never blamed him for wanting out of here, I very much blamed him for letting his agent put out the "I only want to go to L.A." part though. However the truth be told we had no assets to build with, our draft picks were never going to be anything other than mid first rounder so the likely hood of any of them working out wasn't great. So in the end we got two great assets for one superb asset. I say all of that to say this. I get it, he doesn't like that we don't cheer him when he comes here. It's never going to happen because people only remember he asked out. Fans locally are typically very supportive of players until they ask to be traded. We had people willing to forgive Ron Artest of virtually anything until he asked to be traded. J.O. was pretty much beloved by everyone but me until he asked to be traded and yes when he came back his first few games he got boo'ed as well. So Paul is just going to have to suck it up and either let it go or come here and kick the crap out of us if he can because the locals are not going to let this go and trying to divert blame to Bird (even if there is a lot of truth in there) isn't going to work.

    Onto Montrezl Harrell is a physical beast. I don't remember which year it was, I think two years ago, but he was a free agent and I was begging the Pacers to do anything to get this guy. He is on an absurdly low contract right now at 6 million a year. That is right 6 million a year now think about that 10 million you wasted last year on Tyreke Evans and guess what you have only 2 more million from Harrell for both years. I just have never figured how the rest of the NBA let this go. As we speak he is avg 19 & 8 and is a physical presence. I can assure you his next contract is going to be for at least 12 million a year if not more. Oh I'm sure he was hit with the "can't shoot three's" crap, well guess what he can hit almost anything else. BTW it didn't matter who was guarding him, we had nobody who could stop him or even slow him down.


    This brings me to the part of the program where I am going to **** many and I mean many of you off. If Dan Burke can only coach one style of defense successfully then to me he is no better than Jim O'Brien and it is time to look to move on for the team. Now I am not convinced that this is the case, but as has been pointed out ad nauseam on this board we typically have a rim protector and have our guards and wings guide their players in that direction. This works out a lot of times and yes vs average teams and below average teams this is highly successful. However when you are playing elite level teams I don't think that this is nearly as effective and often times makes whoever the big is on the floor out of position. Well what happens is that we are supposed to help the helper, which in theory is good, but in reality often happens so fast that that it can't occur or worse the person who does come down to help the helper leaves the corner three wide open. I think we really have to start working on our straight up man to man defense.

    Now one thing that I want to give full credit to either Nate or Dan or whoever is that we consciously chose to play full court press in the first quarter and it actually worked, they turned the ball over. It was really a nice change of pace and the Clippers were totally caught off guard. Kudos to whoever and to the players for executing it.

    I hate the fact that Domantas had such a game in a losing effort. But I can say one thing for certain, we have got to get him help on the boards. Whether it means we change the defensive scheme so Myles can help more or get different players or something else but I just don't believe long term it is good to rely so heavily on one player to grab boards. To be honest he was out of this world on the glass, I mean an absolute monster. However his shot was once again not going as well as it was early in the season. He is missing a lot of bunny's at the rim and to be blunt while I like him scoring and being aggressive I don't want him to get tunnel vision about just shooting when he is in the post. Hey at least he cut out the fouls tonight so there is that.

    You know it's funny because to start the season we were so bad but yet you could see in the second half of that second loss to Detroit that we started to play better. Well to me I thought we started playing poorly in the second half of the Oklahoma City game and even though we won it I started to worry. We really didn't deserve that win in NY and well the end result is what we got tonight. Boston is going to be a hell of a game.

    Uncle Buck used to tell us about the first game back off of a West Coast trip being a trap game, well even though we didn't go out west I think we still caught ourselves in a trap game. Likely they are a better team than we are but honest to God we had players who typically are okay from the field not be able to hit water from a boat. Collectively we shot 35.4% but that is inflated because of McDermott hitting 66.7 & Both Lamb & Brogdon hitting 41.7 & 46.7

    Here is the hall of shame from the field for this game.

    Domantas was the best at 38.9
    McConnell 33.3
    Warren 25.0
    Turner 22.2
    Small Holiday 14.3
    Tall Holiday 12.5

    Your not going to beat the N.Y. Knicks let alone the L.A. Clippers shooting like that. Thank whatever powerful being you pray to that we were not facing the L.A. Lakers or we would have possibly lost that by 40 or more.

    To help with the boards and to give Domas a little bit of a rest I would like us to give Leaf a little more run. However the real dilemma going forward with him is who do you take out? Bitadze only got 2 minutes tonight and I think we all agree we don't want to see him not playing at least some developmental minutes. Do you not play McDermott or Tall Holiday? Up until this game tall Holiday has been playing out of his mind good so I don't think you sit him. McDermott has been having a very solid C season so I even I would say you can't bench him right now either. It sucks because Leaf could possibly help some of the lulls we suffer in the rebounding department but in the end he has nobody but himself to blame because he was given several chances in the beginning of the year and he just did not take full advantage consistently.

    What in the hell did Jakaar Sampson do to himself? He has missed 10 freaking games. Did he fall? Did someone do and Atomic drop on him and injure his back? Good Lord.

    Also if history plays out correct Jeremy Lamb fell tonight, let us see if he is available for the game vs Boston.

    The best thing we can say about this game is that it is over and we never really have to discuss it again.







    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    As far as your defense comment the Clippers play mobile and strong defense. They are much quicker overall with there defense. Pacers are a little bit plodding
    on the defensive side. Brogdon is good but he is a liability on defense because he is slower.
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      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      What in the hell did Jakaar Sampson do to himself? He has missed 10 freaking games. Did he fall? Did someone do and Atomic drop on him and injure his back? Good Lord.
      That's a pretty good question. I did read someone say in here that he injured his back somewhere but I don't know if we've ever had any official word about it.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
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        We are in a slump right now, which started as Peck noted on the last road trip. Despite some wins, the overall performance has been down. The synergy of the team dynamic has also been down. Hopefully, we'll work through it. At minimum we can't shoot as poorly as vs. the Clips forever.

        Of course, there could be a whole host of other issues. We will only know with more time as the season plays out. With a few more games upcoming against top shelf competition, we'll get a better sense of what this team sans Oladipo is. Can we compete or is our ceiling consistently beating poor and mid-level opponents only?

        From a personnel standpoint, my two key questions are Myles and Brogdon. Myles has been too invisible some nights and too one-dimensional on others of late. For us to excel he not only has to be a threat to block shots, but a threat to put up double digit points, primarily from range. I hope he can break out of his current offensive slump and carve out that role consistently.

        With Brogdon it's not a concern about where his floor is, but what about the ceiling? Was early season Brogdon what we should expect consistently? Is it Brogdon of the last week or so, where the scoring is still there but the efficiency is down considerably and the defense is starting to show some warts.? Is it somewhere else completely?

        If we're to aspire to challenge some elite teams this season, I think those two guys are key. Of course, then you complicate that with Oladipo's eventual return. There's a lot of ifs involved in it all under current circumstances, which is why I'm not expecting any moves in the near future. I think TPTB let's it play out and makes no calls any earlier than this summer based on what development they see over the course of the season. Maybe an unexpectedly great opportunity presents itself sooner, but I'm not counting on it.
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          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

          That's a pretty good question. I did read someone say in here that he injured his back somewhere but I don't know if we've ever had any official word about it.
          He was listed as doubtful yesterday up until right before the game he was changed to out. Not much of one but it was an upgrade compared to being called out the day before the game. One game last we he was listed as available the day before the game just to be changed to out the day of the game. Signs say he is close to returning. The next two games he's probably not needed but it would be nice to have him back for the Hornets game
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            If there is one major wart in Brogdon's game, it is his inability to stay with faster point guards and prevent their penetration. More worryingly - that includes some 90 % of starting point guards in the league.

            This deficiency will always limit Brogdon's ceiling as a pure point guard. Bucks solved the dilemma by moving him to off-guard by his 2nd season. That move reduced a positive impact of his floor generalship though.

            IMO, the correct way to approach is to ALWAYS cross-match in defense and have a shooting guard(s) capable of taking the opposing point defensively. Dipo (if fully recovered when he returns)/Aaron/Sumner are all somewhat able to do it although the shooting-part of work description of 2-spot is very much a problem with Sumner and all helter-skelter with Aaron too.

            But Brogdon need to be matched with wings (even big wings) to be a defensive asset. Our rotation and defensive system MUST be configured accordingly.
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              As I tried to objectively watch the game last night a few things struck me - none surprised me though. The Clippers are just better. Pacers seemed like the little engine that could last night - we tried really hard, we tried to play the right way, move the ball, do the things the coaches ask - but in the end the Clippers have better players. PG can rise up and get a pretty good three point shot anytime he wanted. Harrell could do anything he wanted as well - Luckily Leonard didn't play and sweet Lew couldn't hit anything.

              One thing that did surprise me was Nate's post game comments. I thought the Clippers defense completely took us out of our offense and controlled what the Pacers were trying to do - Nate didn't give any credit to the Clips defense.

              I could be imagining it but it seems to me Nate is slowly going away from playing Myles and Domas together. Whenever he talks about it he seems to have a smile on his face - when he talks about how Domas plays so well with the second unit. I am curious to see where this goes from here. Myles getting fewer minutes? Myles traded before the end of the season? Myles coming off the bench - Can't do that because Myles would completely check out, plus he isn't as good with the second unit. Something is going to give here though - I don't think it is working and it seems to me Myles is moving further away from the basket on offense and becoming less involved on offense when Domas is on the floor. And really when Domas, Warren, Lamb and Brogdon are on the floor there are no shots for Myles except a late in the shot clock long three. But Myles is needed on defense - I think - Right?



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                What it boils down to is if Paul could have controlled his dick, there is a much better chance that the good Pacers' teams he was on wouldn't have fallen apart.

                As for last night, we missed so many open shots. Disappointing but it'll happen.
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                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  As I tried to objectively watch the game last night a few things struck me - none surprised me though. The Clippers are just better. Pacers seemed like the little engine that could last night - we tried really hard, we tried to play the right way, move the ball, do the things the coaches ask - but in the end the Clippers have better players. PG can rise up and get a pretty good three point shot anytime he wanted. Harrell could do anything he wanted as well - Luckily Leonard didn't play and sweet Lew couldn't hit anything.

                  One thing that did surprise me was Nate's post game comments. I thought the Clippers defense completely took us out of our offense and controlled what the Pacers were trying to do - Nate didn't give any credit to the Clips defense.

                  I could be imagining it but it seems to me Nate is slowly going away from playing Myles and Domas together. Whenever he talks about it he seems to have a smile on his face - when he talks about how Domas plays so well with the second unit. I am curious to see where this goes from here. Myles getting fewer minutes? Myles traded before the end of the season? Myles coming off the bench - Can't do that because Myles would completely check out, plus he isn't as good with the second unit. Something is going to give here though - I don't think it is working and it seems to me Myles is moving further away from the basket on offense and becoming less involved on offense when Domas is on the floor. And really when Domas, Warren, Lamb and Brogdon are on the floor there are no shots for Myles except a late in the shot clock long three. But Myles is needed on defense - I think - Right?


                  You are right that Nate doesn't want to play Domas/Myles together. He never has, and he is struggling to use them effectively (though for a couple of games it looked like we were figuring it out).
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                    This is from Zach Harper of the Athletic. For those who don't subscribe to The Athletic or listen to NBA radio - Zach is not a former player - but he is a national media guy who only covers the NBA - I generally value his opinion.

                    https://theathletic.com/1434966/2019...the-dominance/

                    Over the last two years, the Pacers have committed $157 million to their Myles Turner-Domantas Sabonis pairing. Individually, both players are very good in their own right. Turner is a very good defender with incredible rim protection capabilities. Sabonis is a rebounding machine, who also excels in creating plays for teammates. He’s especially adept at the timing of running dribble handoffs. However, it’s fair to wonder if these two work well together on the floor. Do they maximize their respective skill sets and push the Pacers toward their best possible play?

                    Individually, both do better when not paired with the other. But the Pacers outscore opponents with both players on the floor by 5.1 points per 100 possessions. Remove Sabonis from the court to keep Turner as the main big man and the Pacers’ net rating drops to +2.7 points per 100 possessions. Take Turner off the floor and keep Sabonis? The Pacers are +6.1 points per 100 possessions.

                    A lot of their success there comes from putting Sabonis with TJ Warren and three guards. Some have wondered if the Pacers will eventually need to pick one and ship off the other. The numbers say Sabonis is the guy to stay, but I’m not sure anybody would actually pick him over Turner in any scenario.
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                      Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                      What it boils down to is if Paul could have controlled his dick, there is a much better chance that the good Pacers' teams he was on wouldn't have fallen apart.

                      As for last night, we missed so many open shots. Disappointing but it'll happen.
                      What’s that got to do with anything?

                      and maybe it’s me, but I don’t find having sex with strippers as definition of a terribly bad person

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                      • #12
                        This ******* on Paul George has to stop. He never said he was staying or wants to be a Pacers for life or anything like that. This was his quote from the celebrity softball game...

                        “I’m under contract as a Pacer,” he said. “That’s all that needs to really be known. I’m here. I’m a Pacer. Again, what I’ve been dealing with is stories. You guys talking or teams talking. I’m a Pacer. There’s no way around that. This is my team, my group and this is where I’m at.”

                        He did say various times over the past 3 years that he loves Indiana, loved being a Pacer, and loved his time here.

                        So when he says the people who should be boo'd are still in this building. I actually tend to believe him. I'm about 95% sure, he wanted assurances that the Pacers were wiling to make a trade for another max / allstar player, or enter the luxury tax to take on a max player and KP and Simon flat out told him no, or just gave him the same old run around he has probably heard before.

                        To support that theory you just have to look at his comments about Sam Presti in OKC, and how he loved how aggressive he was in making moves.

                        The reality is that the front office really screwed up the Paul George era and him breaking his leg and missing a whole season didn't help the situation.

                        I say Kudos to Paul George for realizing that early that fortunes in Indiana were not going to improve, they have no way forward in building a successful team except to tank for a year or two. Now if you a OKC fan you have a right to be pissed, dude just signed a 4 year max contract. But again Kudos to Paul George for realizing that the team was going nowhere fast in OKC as they were capped out after signing Westbrook, Adams, and him to large deals that only resulted in 2 first round exits. Now he is playing next to the best player in the league, and in his hometown for the team he rooted for as a kid. Maybe it blows up in his face again, but he is doing it his way and making a ton of money while he is at it. 3 years down the road and is in the best possible position now, playing with best player in the league, for his home team that he rooted for as a kid, and was even considered in the MVP race for most of last season.

                        And the PACERS...we are in a much better position too. We now have 3 allstar caliber players. The best shot blocker int he league. 2 starting wings that are out playing their contracts and are just about as solid as you can ask for. Some young guys on the bench. You can legit say the only thing holding us back is Oladipo's return and perhaps the weakness we have in the coaching staff. As Nate has shown he just isn't capable of running a modern NBA offense.


                        Turner won't be moved this season as KP will want to see the whole picture with Oladipo in the fold. But I do expect him to be moved in the offseason in a move that will put the team over the top.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pogi View Post

                          What’s that got to do with anything?

                          and maybe it’s me, but I don’t find having sex with strippers as definition of a terribly bad person
                          I think he was referencing the wife of a player.
                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            This ******* on Paul George has to stop. He never said he was staying or wants to be a Pacers for life or anything like that. This was his quote from the celebrity softball game...

                            “I’m under contract as a Pacer,” he said. “That’s all that needs to really be known. I’m here. I’m a Pacer. Again, what I’ve been dealing with is stories. You guys talking or teams talking. I’m a Pacer. There’s no way around that. This is my team, my group and this is where I’m at.”

                            He did say various times over the past 3 years that he loves Indiana, loved being a Pacer, and loved his time here.

                            So when he says the people who should be boo'd are still in this building. I actually tend to believe him. I'm about 95% sure, he wanted assurances that the Pacers were wiling to make a trade for another max / allstar player, or enter the luxury tax to take on a max player and KP and Simon flat out told him no, or just gave him the same old run around he has probably heard before.

                            To support that theory you just have to look at his comments about Sam Presti in OKC, and how he loved how aggressive he was in making moves.

                            The reality is that the front office really screwed up the Paul George era and him breaking his leg and missing a whole season didn't help the situation.

                            I say Kudos to Paul George for realizing that early that fortunes in Indiana were not going to improve, they have no way forward in building a successful team except to tank for a year or two. Now if you a OKC fan you have a right to be pissed, dude just signed a 4 year max contract. But again Kudos to Paul George for realizing that the team was going nowhere fast in OKC as they were capped out after signing Westbrook, Adams, and him to large deals that only resulted in 2 first round exits. Now he is playing next to the best player in the league, and in his hometown for the team he rooted for as a kid. Maybe it blows up in his face again, but he is doing it his way and making a ton of money while he is at it. 3 years down the road and is in the best possible position now, playing with best player in the league, for his home team that he rooted for as a kid, and was even considered in the MVP race for most of last season.

                            And the PACERS...we are in a much better position too. We now have 3 allstar caliber players. The best shot blocker int he league. 2 starting wings that are out playing their contracts and are just about as solid as you can ask for. Some young guys on the bench. You can legit say the only thing holding us back is Oladipo's return and perhaps the weakness we have in the coaching staff. As Nate has shown he just isn't capable of running a modern NBA offense.


                            Turner won't be moved this season as KP will want to see the whole picture with Oladipo in the fold. But I do expect him to be moved in the offseason in a move that will put the team over the top.
                            I was ready to hear your explanation for not criticizing PG. After reading your post, I'm more inclined to criticize him.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              This is from Zach Harper of the Athletic. For those who don't subscribe to The Athletic or listen to NBA radio - Zach is not a former player - but he is a national media guy who only covers the NBA - I generally value his opinion.

                              https://theathletic.com/1434966/2019...the-dominance/

                              Over the last two years, the Pacers have committed $157 million to their Myles Turner-Domantas Sabonis pairing. Individually, both players are very good in their own right. Turner is a very good defender with incredible rim protection capabilities. Sabonis is a rebounding machine, who also excels in creating plays for teammates. He’s especially adept at the timing of running dribble handoffs. However, it’s fair to wonder if these two work well together on the floor. Do they maximize their respective skill sets and push the Pacers toward their best possible play?

                              Individually, both do better when not paired with the other. But the Pacers outscore opponents with both players on the floor by 5.1 points per 100 possessions. Remove Sabonis from the court to keep Turner as the main big man and the Pacers’ net rating drops to +2.7 points per 100 possessions. Take Turner off the floor and keep Sabonis? The Pacers are +6.1 points per 100 possessions.

                              A lot of their success there comes from putting Sabonis with TJ Warren and three guards. Some have wondered if the Pacers will eventually need to pick one and ship off the other. The numbers say Sabonis is the guy to stay, but I’m not sure anybody would actually pick him over Turner in any scenario.
                              Easy thing to do one is going to be an all star and the other one is turning into Ian Mahinmi.


                              And yes the Sabo/Warren and three guards lineup is the s*** I have been claiming for this to happen forever, Pacers can run teams out of the gym with those lineups.
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