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  • #61
    Every shooter goes through slumps. But with that being said, I would like to see Myles traded. His shot blocking would always be missed. But imo, His style of play on offense is perfectly suited for being a stretch 4. But he’s too big to be a stretch 4 and isn’t agile enough. Also it’s too awkward to have a great shot blocker guarding a PF because typically he will be pulled out of the post to guard jump shots. But that being said, Myles is too soft to be a tough down-low player and get rebounds or create a post presence. I think the way the Pacers are going “Big” is the wrong way to do it. I think the Pistons have the right idea because both Blake Griffin and Drummond are great rebounders and players that you can really feel their presence in the post. The only way you feel Myles is when you realize your shot never made it to the rim. Domas has a great presence but imo, Myles is just an awkward fit for trying to go Big because naturally, he just can’t do it. And that’s not his fault, everyone is made different. His strengths are shooting and blocking shots and that’s great. But I feel he’s an awkward fit and that it would benefit the pacers if they moved him.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by LethalSlim View Post
      Every shooter goes through slumps. But with that being said, I would like to see Myles traded. His shot blocking would always be missed. But imo, His style of play on offense is perfectly suited for being a stretch 4. But he’s too big to be a stretch 4 and isn’t agile enough. Also it’s too awkward to have a great shot blocker guarding a PF because typically he will be pulled out of the post to guard jump shots. But that being said, Myles is too soft to be a tough down-low player and get rebounds or create a post presence. I think the way the Pacers are going “Big” is the wrong way to do it. I think the Pistons have the right idea because both Blake Griffin and Drummond are great rebounders and players that you can really feel their presence in the post. The only way you feel Myles is when you realize your shot never made it to the rim. Domas has a great presence but imo, Myles is just an awkward fit for trying to go Big because naturally, he just can’t do it. And that’s not his fault, everyone is made different. His strengths are shooting and blocking shots and that’s great. But I feel he’s an awkward fit and that it would benefit the pacers if they moved him.
      Blake Griffin is not a great rebounder and is not a post player, he’s a face up four

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      • #63
        Does the Pelicans still want Myles? I doubt it lol. Their rookie Jaxson Hayes is putting up similar number to Myles in 21 MPG.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

          Blake Griffin is not a great rebounder and is not a post player, he’s a face up four
          He has been more of a face up guy recently, but I still feel he’s a very capable post player and rebounder. The pistons just don’t use him like that as much as they could. Drummond being such a dominant rebounder is probably a big reason for his decline in rebounds. For his career Blake is still averaging almost 22 pts and 9 rebounds a game

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          • #65
            Originally posted by LethalSlim View Post

            He has been more of a face up guy recently, but I still feel he’s a very capable post player and rebounder. The pistons just don’t use him like that as much as they could. Drummond being such a dominant rebounder is probably a big reason for his decline in rebounds. For his career Blake is still averaging almost 22 pts and 9 rebounds a game
            His rebounds declined long before going to Detroit. It’s been declining since 2014

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

              Blake Griffin is not a great rebounder and is not a post player, he’s a face up four
              Playing with your back to the basket is not the only way to play in the post.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                Playing with your back to the basket is not the only way to play in the post.
                For some reason I mistook it as a back to basket player

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                • #68
                  There are also these stats:

                  Pacers are 6-2 when he doesn’t play. 9-7 when he has played. In those 7 losses, he’s averaged 34 minutes. In the 9 wins? 28 minutes...
                  "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by rock747 View Post
                    There are also these stats:

                    Pacers are 6-2 when he doesn’t play. 9-7 when he has played. In those 7 losses, he’s averaged 34 minutes. In the 9 wins? 28 minutes...
                    Definitely interesting. I think his lack of aggressiveness hurts our potential for sure. But he won't just all the sudden turn into an aggressive player, he will always be passive unfortunately.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by rock747 View Post
                      There are also these stats:

                      Pacers are 6-2 when he doesn’t play. 9-7 when he has played. In those 7 losses, he’s averaged 34 minutes. In the 9 wins? 28 minutes...
                      I started this not because I am a 'troll", "I hate Myles" , "trade Myles RIGHT NOW for a second round pick" or, as one poster wrote "I'm Domas jock rider" - that insulted me, but what can I do? So far Myles is not clicking in starting unit. Yes, 4 new starters. It takes time to mesh together. When Dipo was terrorizing opponents on both ends of the floor, life for Myles was easier. With new PG Brogdon and Dipo still some time away - Pacers play more structured, disciplined offense. And Myles is struggling. But then cleaned up his facebook and instagram accounts, I realized that Myles' problems are more complex. He has tools, he has some skills. He just need to be average himself and for everybody in Pacersland life would be rosier. Anyway, we will have better feel about this team come All-Star break. Way too much chaos happened when season started for certain people to handle.
                      When we lost on the road to Houston, I called holiday brothers "two idiots". After that game I don't think so anymore. Myles needs to calm down, do his job. Otherwise - this is NBA, 18 mils per year are decent amount of $$$. And it was paid upfront.
                      And my dear friend Nuntius - we were adamant advocates of starting Myles and Domas. My reason is simple - Domas is a starter in the NBA. Though he is not a true C or true PF. I still think that this combo could work (should work).
                      I'm tired with this soap opera. I'll keep waiting for the Myles slump to end, otherwise I'll have to post some ugly stats again.
                      12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                      Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                        I mean we had threads about other people sucking a** before this is not the first time
                        you;re right

                        Take it all the way back to Travis Best and his dribbling till there's like 5 seconds left on the shot clock
                        Sittin on top of the world!

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                        • #72
                          I think I know what's wrong with Myles. Philadelphia shook his confidence. Since that game he's shot just 18% from 3. Prior to that game he was doing quite well.

                          The reason I say Philadelphia is because of his performance last year against them and this year. This year he scored 3 points on 12% shooting in that game.

                          Last year he struggled against Philly but not as bad. 32% shooting, averaged about 7 points. Shot the 3 well actually.

                          But still his numbers are way, way down against Philly. I think Embiid gets in his head.


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                          • #73
                            There was a VERY interesting interview with Popeye Jones during tonight's game where they directly addressed Turner's struggles recently, and Popeye revealed that Turner has been basically the 4 on offense because opposing teams are putting their 5s on Sabonis. It's all new to Turner... but... I will say this, it makes sense. I think Turner should be a stretch 4. He's just not a center, offensively, and I would argue he's really not defensively either. He plays like a big stretch 4. Sounds like he's learning on the fly and having some struggles. I actually like the notion of him playing the 4, though.... will be interesting to see if he's able to adapt.
                            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-11-2019, 10:38 PM.
                            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              I think I know what's wrong with Myles. Philadelphia shook his confidence. Since that game he's shot just 18% from 3. Prior to that game he was doing quite well.

                              The reason I say Philadelphia is because of his performance last year against them and this year. This year he scored 3 points on 12% shooting in that game.

                              Last year he struggled against Philly but not as bad. 32% shooting, averaged about 7 points. Shot the 3 well actually.

                              But still his numbers are way, way down against Philly. I think Embiid gets in his head.

                              I kind of think so too. Maybe it is a coincidence, but Joel is a terrible match up for him and I'd guess Turner has his worst games against him.

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                              • #75
                                I noticed in the pregame warmups last night that Myles' lift when shooting is really awkward. I don't think I ever saw that before. Like most big men he doesn't have a huge lift to start with, so if he is off on what he DOES have it explains a lot about him going short on his 3-pt attempts.

                                He had one really nice lift on the shot that went in but his others were also awkward.

                                I don't think he is still injured (though he could be sore) but I think he may have gotten into some bad habits while he was rehabbing.
                                BillS

                                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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