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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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  • #76
    Originally posted by imawhat View Post

    I said at the digest party that I wouldn't be surprised by a Draymond to the Pacers deal.
    Draymond is injury prone. Pass.
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    • #77
      I’m also looking at Kuzma just because of his potential he seems to be the odd man out of the whole team and might want to get a fresh start.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        I’m also looking at Kuzma just because of his potential he seems to be the odd man out of the whole team and might want to get a fresh start.
        Is he a defender?
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        • #79
          Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

          Is he a defender?
          No really but he is a guy with potential, maybe he can be that later.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

            Yet he shot better from 3 during the playoffs last year than Myles Turner.

            Also, teams are regularly doubling Sabonis in the paint leaving Myles wide open. Green doesn't benefit from that. If he did, he may well shoot a much higher percentage and in fact he did shoot 39% one year so he is capable.

            He is also accustomed to playing against teams that give their best shot every game GS plays. I think people miss that aspect. Green is just a much better player.

            Green is always left open and he does have teammates who command double teams. I do think it is a trade both teams would consider. Pacers would get a leader with championship experience while the Warriors get younger and likely save money depending on the trade filler. They would have to adjust their offense, but Turner might be a better fit especially if they plan on keeping Russell.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

              No really but he is a guy with potential, maybe he can be that later.
              Kuzma isn't a great defender or 3 point shooter, but he's a forward. Maybe the teams might decide to swap Kuzma for Aaron Holiday? Holiday can be a ballhandling guard who doesn't necessarily have to be a playmaker. His shooting abilities make him an upgrade over Rondo.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Team Indy View Post

                Kuzma isn't a great defender or 3 point shooter, but he's a forward. Maybe the teams might decide to swap Kuzma for Aaron Holiday? Holiday can be a ballhandling guard who doesn't necessarily have to be a playmaker. His shooting abilities make him an upgrade over Rondo.

                The Pacers have plenty of those types already in Justin, Warren and Dougie and Lamb and Sumner. Then the Pacers lose a back up point in a pinch.
                No thanks. I thought this thread was to find a Giannis Stopper? And good luck with that. V did kinda throw out Solomon Hill and that is not a bad and cheap
                solution to help out on Giannis. He is quick enough and strong that he could maybe stay in front of Giannis. Draymond Green is very expensive and
                a very high risk player.
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                • #83
                  Ad Marcus Morris to the list, Pacers could get him cheap.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Ad Marcus Morris to the list, Pacers could get him cheap.
                    Morris + 2021 Dallas Pick for Myles! Morris is expiring as well so could potentially re-sign for cheaper long-term so have more cap for Oladipo extension. Give Bitadze 12-18mpg as back-up C to develop as well.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                      Morris + 2021 Dallas Pick for Myles! Morris is expiring as well so could potentially re-sign for cheaper long-term so have more cap for Oladipo extension. Give Bitadze 12-18mpg as back-up C to develop as well.
                      What pick do we have from Dallas?

                      Is it a 2nd round pick?
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        What pick do we have from Dallas?

                        Is it a 2nd round pick?
                        Knicks have Dallas' 2021 1st Rounder from the Porzingis trade, the proposal would have us getting the pick.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                          Knicks have Dallas' 2021 1st Rounder from the Porzingis trade, the proposal would have us getting the pick.
                          The last thing the Knicks need is another shotblocker, much less another Big Man with Mitchell/Randle/Gibson.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            The last thing the Knicks need is another shotblocker, much less another Big Man with Mitchell/Randle/Gibson.
                            Actually Randle & Turner could work nicely together. The Knicks have only 1 C & the rest of their bigs are PF's who they try to make play C.

                            It could actually be a smart move on their part for a change. They'd have a young C in Turner, PF in Randle & wing in Barrett, there a plenty of PG's in this upcoming draft to fill that need. It'll actually allow them some semblance of direction.

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                            • #89
                              Iggy has not even reported in with Memphis (mutual decision). A pick + anything to match the salaries could probably do the thing, but since Brogdon-deal we haven't got a 1st-rounder to trade (until we actually send a pick to Milwaukee we are blocked from trading 1st-rounder until 2028).

                              So value would need to be something else than picks. IF Dipo comes back as he never was away (I don't expect it), Lamb might become expendable for Iguodala for Lamb + Leaf.

                              Other option could be Iguodala + Melton for McDermott + Justin + Sumner. Sumner is a player who won't find a place in our overcrowded backcourt anyway. McBuckets is looking like a player now when paired with a creative TJM & Justin has been very good. However, Justin is also an expiring and he may be balling himself out of our price range for next year...

                              Or we would turn the roles around and go adding picks ourselves : Iguodala + Jae Crowder + Memphis 2023 1st-rounder (1st they can trade) for Myles + Aaron. Memphis gets two young ones who may not be good enough to build around but should be able to play in NBA for 10 more years. We lose a lot in long perspective, but get two bodies to slot in PF position in defense, clarify our roles, open more developmental time for Goga and (do not underestimate this) open up some 14 million bucks of salary room under the cap for next summer. Right now we are TOTALLY out of free agent market of next summer.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
                                Iggy has not even reported in with Memphis (mutual decision). A pick + anything to match the salaries could probably do the thing, but since Brogdon-deal we haven't got a 1st-rounder to trade (until we actually send a pick to Milwaukee we are blocked from trading 1st-rounder until 2028).

                                So value would need to be something else than picks. IF Dipo comes back as he never was away (I don't expect it), Lamb might become expendable for Iguodala for Lamb + Leaf.

                                Other option could be Iguodala + Melton for McDermott + Justin + Sumner. Sumner is a player who won't find a place in our overcrowded backcourt anyway. McBuckets is looking like a player now when paired with a creative TJM & Justin has been very good. However, Justin is also an expiring and he may be balling himself out of our price range for next year...

                                Or we would turn the roles around and go adding picks ourselves : Iguodala + Jae Crowder + Memphis 2023 1st-rounder (1st they can trade) for Myles + Aaron. Memphis gets two young ones who may not be good enough to build around but should be able to play in NBA for 10 more years. We lose a lot in long perspective, but get two bodies to slot in PF position in defense, clarify our roles, open more developmental time for Goga and (do not underestimate this) open up some 14 million bucks of salary room under the cap for next summer. Right now we are TOTALLY out of free agent market of next summer.
                                Andre Iguodala + 2020 Utah 1st Round Pick for Myles Turner.
                                For Memphis it is essentially trading a pick around 20th mark for Myles, Iguodala is a salary match, but he could step right in as our starting PF. He is only 6'6, but he has an incredible wingspan & is extremely strong as can be seen by his physique.

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