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Happy Malice in the Palace 15 year anniversary

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    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    I tried way back to locate the game thread but it was impossible (at least for me)...would have been interesting to see what people's thoughts were at the time.


    • #3
      Something I want burned from my memory forever.


      • #4
        That was one of the better games I saw as a Pacer fan as well as one of the worst. As soon as I saw them head up into the seats I knew that era had ended.

        I don't want to minimize 9-11 but it was similar to the time I saw the second plane hit. It all clicked instantly and it was not a good feeling.


        • #5
          I’m actually sitting in the bar of the Embassy Suites Auburn Hills wearing some Pacers gear.

          No one notices because everyone in the house is from out of town.

          Name-calling signature removed


          • #6
            Easily the worst day I’ve experienced as a Pacers fan. 15 years later and it still feels like we’re somehow paying for what happened (we’re not, but it feels that way).


            • #7
              Thank goodness it happened before the rise of Twitter...

              Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
              I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...


              • #8
                Ahhh.....a trip down memory lane.

                To this day, I still remember sitting in the Thai restaurant with my Wife eating dinner and watching the game on the big screen behind her as the brawl broke out.

                That Pacers Team was in the wrong era. Speaking hypothetically......with SJax, Artest and JONeal and this whole "Bad Boys" mentality and identity ( a la the old school pistons ) that this team took on , do you think that if this particular Team played in the 70s or 80s ( where everything was simply more physical and there was a different way of thinking when it comes to basketball ) that this it wouldn't have been broken up the way that it eventually was?

                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                • #9
                  Imagine if it happened in the internet era. Boy that would be something


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    Ahhh.....a trip down memory lane.

                    To this day, I still remember sitting in the Thai restaurant with my Wife eating dinner and watching the game on the big screen behind her as the brawl broke out.

                    That Pacers Team was in the wrong era. Speaking hypothetically......with SJax, Artest and JONeal and this whole "Bad Boys" mentality and identity ( a la the old school pistons ) that this team took on , do you think that if this particular Team played in the 70s or 80s ( where everything was simply more physical and there was a different way of thinking when it comes to basketball ) that this it wouldn't have been broken up the way that it eventually was?
                    It's not the first time. I don't think much has really changed. This was the most famous fight involving fans but there were several others and trying to stop fights would normally help.


                    • #11
                      I lurked on PD for about a year before I actually signed up and posted. This was the game that convinced me to finally join. I wrote this up later that week and probably posted it here somewhere. Keep in mind, I was 16 when I wrote this lol...

                      Originally posted by 16 year old Deadshot
                      First off, let me start by saying that I do not advocate Artest's actions. Going into the crowd was certainly not the right thing to do, and he would be stupid to ever do it again.

                      Now to the beginning of the situation - Sorry Pistons fans, but the foul on Wallace was not that hard. It was rough, but it certainly didn't merit a shove to the neck. Sure, there were only 50 seconds left, but with that being said, coaches don't encourage allowing easy baskets. They want the opposing team to earn their points. Then the fight breaks out - various coaches and players did an overall good job on keeping things somewhat peaceful, and Artest even lies on the scoring table. At this point, Stephen Jackson is making a complete idiot of himself. As Artest is being held down and kept cool, Wallace tosses a towel on him. Very stupid move - Wallace knows Artest is a ticking time bomb, and this is very unfair to a calm and collected Artest. I'm not saying that Ron wouldn't have retaliated - he was clearly being held down. The refs should have ejected Wallace and Jackson immediately; both players were out of control.

                      At this point - hopes of breaking this up and ending the game are on the upside, and then.....the cup. Ron is in the wrong for attacking a fan without a doubt. To make things worse, he attacks the wrong fan. Once Artest is pulled out of the crowd, several drunken fans then approach him on the court. They deserved every blow they got - from Artest and O'Neal. Your admission into the building doesn't permit walking onto the court obviously. Then, as Ron is being held and calmed down, a cop comes up to him and threatens him with pepper spray. Law enforcement at its finest folks...way to pull it out on Artest while the whole arena is going crazy. Former Pacer Chuck Person and current Pacer Reggie Miller then help Ron into the lockerroom. Very smart move to get him out of the area - too bad it came a little late.

                      Now the main objective should be to get all of the players off the court. Too bad the officials fled the scene early in the brawl. Instead, hundreds of fans hurl objects onto the court and at Pacers players. Most of the objects are bottles, beer, and popcorn, but one fan even throws a chair at JO. Last time I checked, hurling chairs seem to pose major threats and require self-defense, but I could be wrong...

                      Skip forward a day - the nation is in awe, and the league is heavily frowned upon. We know suspensions will come, but how heavy will they be. The investigations are very time consuming, so initially, only Artest, JO, Jackson, and Wallace are suspended indefinitely. A 6-man Pacers roster struggles against the Magic, and amazingly loses by only 3 points. I don't speak for all Pacers fans, but the game versus Orlando made me proud to be a Pacers fan despite the loss.

                      The date is November 21, and still nothing on the suspensions. David Stern is scheduled to speak later in the day, and fans across the country heavily anticipate his ruling. Finally the time arrives, and the following suspensions are handed out:


                      *Pacers forward Ron Artest has been suspended for the remainder of the season.

                      *Indiana guard Stephen Jackson has been suspended for 30 games.

                      *Pacers forward Jermaine O’Neal has been suspended for 25 games.

                      *Indiana guard Anthony Johnson has been suspended for five games.

                      *Detroit forward/center Ben Wallace has been suspended for six games.

                      *Pistons forwards Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman and guard Chauncey Billups have each been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.

                      *Indiana guard Reggie Miller has been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.


                      Personally, as a Pacers fan I am in disbelief when I first hear of the suspensions. I have supported this team for so long, watched them through thick and thin, and now Stern ruins our season (granted, it was the player's fault, but I don't think it was handled correctly). This will sure take the joy out of my first season with NBA League Pass on my cable...

                      So was David Stern fair in all his rulings? Some might argue that he was, but deep down, we know that he WASN'T. He accomplished his goal in making a statement, but he went way too far on this one. Let's break this down player by player.

                      1. Ron Artest. Yikes! Like I mentioned earlier, in no way do I advocate his actions, but I feel that his punishment was not just. He received 73 games (the rest of the season). That is the most ever against a player when drugs are not involved (remember, Spreewell got 68). How has the NBA handled similar situations in the past?

                      *In 1995, the Rockets' Vernon Maxwell went in the stands and beat on a fan in Portland. His punishment - 10 games.
                      *We all remember Dennis Rodman. One of his most notable incidents included kicking an innocent cameraman, which got him 11 games.
                      *As mentioned earlier, Latrell Spreewell missed 68 games due to choking his coach at practice.

                      It should be noted that Artest's reputation did not help him this time - which makes you wonder how Dennis Rodman only got 11 games?!?! And although Maxwell did not start a riot, in essence he did the same thing.

                      2. Stephen Jackson. I really have no objections here; this man was out of control.

                      3. Jermaine O'Neal. 25 games does not seem to be fair here, as far as everything that has been televised. In my opinion, he should have gotten 10 at most - the fans he did punch were most likely drunk and tresspassing by getting on the court.

                      4. Anthony Johnson. Not exactly sure why he got 5 games, I'm guessing it was due to something NOT seen on camera.

                      5. Ben Wallace. 6 games seem to be a little small here. I feel that he caused more of this than is credited to him. Not only did he thoroughly shove Artest, but also he shoved him in the neck. Next time, Ben - if you have to be a thug, push a man in the chest. Had the officials ejected him when he should have been tossed, his suspension would have been larger without a doubt.

                      6. Pistons/Pacers players from the bench. No real argument here.

                      Ultimately, everyone was to blame, but the Pacers will be the only ones seriously hurt by this. I want to see scores of arrests on Detroit fans, but the chances of that are slim to none. David Stern set out to make a statement, and his goal was accomplished. However; it’s about time that he pays his players some respect. What kind of a statement is he giving to the fans by allowing all of this? What will happen to the officials that failed to gain control? – Nothing. Stern has already made it clear earlier this year that he will stand behind his officials. Situations like this bring up the question of alcohol at games. Will Stern get rid of it? - of course not, as all this beer means major money for the NBA. Unfortunately, the NBA is a business, and Stern is protecting his sponsors. So goes the saying, "When money talks, people listen." I hope the players’ union actually stands up against Stern on this one.

                      I thank you for reading my perspective of this event. I was deeply saddened by the events and suspensions, and I hope that things will only get better in the future. David Stern – you lost my respect today.
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                      • #12
                        I lived in Michigan at the time I almost went to this game but something came up for me to take up this offer.

                        Regardless my Pacers winter hat was stolen shortly after...


                        • #13

                          'Malice at the Palace' facts you didn't know about on the 15th anniversary of NBA's biggest brawl
                          15 years later, it remains one of the more polarizing events in sports history
                          Chris Bengel
                          mugshotby Chris Bengel
                          4 hrs ago • 6 min read

                          Tuesday, Nov. 19 marks the 15th anniversary of one of the most chaotic scenes in NBA history. The "Malice at the Palace" took place on Nov. 19, 2004 during a game between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons. Multiple players went into the stands to fight with fans amid the chaos.

                          It started after Ben Wallace was fouled by Ron Artest in the final minute despite the game being well in hand. Players got into a physical altercation before it was ultimately broken up. However, Artest had a drink thrown at him by a fan when he was laying on the scorer's table and the mayhem ensued from there.

                          Several suspensions were handed out by the NBA in the aftermath of the fight. Artest was suspended for the remainder of the season while Stephen Jackson (30 games), Jermaine O'Neal (15), Wallace (6), Anthony Johnson (5), Reggie Miller (1), Derrick Coleman (1), Chauncey Billups (1) and Elden Campbell (1) also received suspensions for their roles in the brawl.

                          Here's a look at 10 facts that you may not have known about the famed fight.

                          Artest received longest suspension in NBA history
                          Artest was suspended for 86 games for his role in the brawl, which ended up being the longest in NBA history. Of those games, 73 were in the regular season and 13 were in the playoffs, where the Pacers advanced to the second round. Ironically, the Pacers faced the Pistons in the second round, but lost in six games.

                          Artest later apologized to the fan he fought with
                          John Green, who was the fan that threw the drink at Artest, actually was able to make amends with the former Pacer during a radio interview on WRIF in Detroit in 2009. Artest apologized to Green for the altercation and the pair agreed to do a charity event together. However, that never came to fruition.

                          Ben Wallace's brother was involved in the brawl
                          David Wallace, who is the brother of Ben Wallace, was in the stands and got involved in the melee. He punched Pacers guard Fred Jones during the brawl. The Wallaces denied David's involvement for weeks until video surfaced that showed David Wallace throwing punches. He eventually received probation and community service for his role in the brawl.

                          O'Neal was supposed to receive a 25-game suspension
                          Artest and Jackson received the heaviest suspensions for their roles in the famed brawl. O'Neal was originally supposed to serve a 25-game suspension, which was similar to what Jackson ended up serving. However, the suspension was appealed and got knocked down to just 15 games, which wasn't a ton in the grand scheme of things. The United States District Court ended up hearing O'Neal's appeal and eventually reduced the original suspension.

                          Artest was traded the following season
                          Artest didn't last long as a member of the Pacers following the brawl. He played in 16 games the following season before demanding to be traded. He was placed on the injured list and ultimately traded to the Sacramento Kings in exchange for Peja Stojakovic. Artest would go on to play for the Houston Rockets, New York Knicks and Los Angeles Lakers and even won an NBA title with the Lakers in 2010.

                          Fan bet Green $50 that he couldn't hit Artest with drink
                          There's so many small storylines that fans don't know about this brawl. During a radio appearance in 2018, Artest explained that Green, who threw the drink at him from the stands, actually threw it because his friend bet him $50 that he couldn't hit Artest.

                          "It was a $50 bet," Artest said on a Fox Sports radio show. "John Green, the gentleman who threw the cup of beer at me, we're friends. He told me the story. The guy who raised his hand bet John that he couldn't hit me for $50. When I saw him raise his hand, he said 'I owe you $50.'"

                          It turns out that Green had decent aim as he connected with Artest, who was laying on the scorer's table at the time. Artest immediately jumped up and charged.

                          Pacers radio announcer Mark Boyle broke five vertebrae
                          Pacers play-by-play radio announcer Mark Boyle was set to conduct a postgame interview with Artest. In fact, Artest had a headset on to get ready for the interview even though his microphone was turned off. Boyle stood up once Artest began charging into the stands and the Pacers star actually stepped over him during the mayhem. Boyle fractured five vertebrae as he wasn't able to hold Artest back.

                          "Instinctively or reflexively, I did step up and Ronnie trampled right over me. I fractured five vertebrae," Boyle told Grantland back in 2012. "The thing I laugh about now is my wife says to me, 'If you could have stopped Ronnie from going into the stands, none of this would have happened.' I say, 'Well, Jesus, if I could have stopped Ron from going into the stands, I would be playing in the NFL.' My partner, Slick Leonard, was smarter than me — he moved out of the line of fire."

                          Tim Donaghy worked the game
                          This might be the most wild fact of the night. Tim Donaghy was one of the referees during the game. He even attempted to keep Artest from going into the stands during the melee, but was unsuccessful.

                          "I tried to grab him, he just broke away very easily and when I looked up there were other players in the stands and punches were being thrown. So at that point, it was more serious than anything we were involved in ever before," Donaghy told USA Today in 2014.

                          Donaghy ended up going to prison after he bet on games that he officiated during his time with the NBA. He resigned from the league after being investigated by the FBI just three years later, but not many remember that he officiated this infamous game.

                          Artest asked if players would get in trouble when he got into the locker room
                          As soon the melee unfolded, it was pretty easy to assume that the penalties would be huge. Stephen Jackson spoke about the famed brawl on "The Rich Eisen Show" back in 2017 and gave a detailed look at everything that happened. The best part of his story revolved around what Artest said once the Pacers made it to the visiting locker room.

                          "The funniest part is when we get in the locker room," Jackson said. "We're sitting there, my legs are scratched from jumping over the bleachers and Ron is sitting there calming down. His first question to me? 'You think we're going to get trouble?' My reply? 'You're lucky we have a job.'"

                          Adam Silver gathered footage of the brawl
                          Current NBA commissioner Adam Silver served as the President of NBA Entertainment back in 2004 when the brawl happened. Silver was tasked with gathering a significant amount of the footage that the league analyzed to make the rulings on the fines and suspensions.

                          "They were very aware they had a big hole to dig out of," Silver told USA Today. "They committed enormous additional resources to doing that. I think there is no magic formula for undoing the kind of damage that the brawl did."

                          Players lost 146 games due to suspension over the "Malice at the Palace," and the NBA needed to go through every frame with a fine tooth comb to make sure nothing like this ever happened again. Following the ruling, alcohol sales were cut off late in games and Silver was truly a key factor in the changes that made for a stronger product.


                          • #14
                            Fantastic oral history here.


                            • #15
                              **** wallace
                              **** detroit fans
                              **** nba suspensions