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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

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  • Game #7 Pacers vs Hornets

    On to game seven. No news that I have heard about Domas returning. Winning one game without one of your starting centers much less both is asking for
    a loss.

  • #2
    Brogdon Serious About Being a Point Guard

    by Mark Montieth Writer
    Posted: Nov 02, 2019
    Malcolm Brogdon stands straight and tall, his demeanor in a tight contest with his words to remain deadly serious.

    Oh, there was the time Saturday when T.J. McConnell, standing behind the backs of the reporters gathered around Brogdon on the side of the practice court, managed to crack Brogdon's deadpan with some clowning antics, but that lasted but a second.

    "Get out of here, bro," Brogdon said with the slightest of smiles to McConnell, who went back to shooting on the practice court.

    The results of Brogdon's serious approach to his work have been vivid through the Pacers' first five games. He's excelled one way or another, and usually in various ways, in each one, providing consistent contributions and leadership to a new team trying to find itself, and the best foundation of hope for the future.

    He's averaging 22.6 points, 10.2 assists, and 2.4 turnovers over 34 minutes. He had a double-double of points and assists in each game until Friday's 102-95 victory over Cleveland, when he had six assists, but was handicapped in that game by the fact his teammates combined to shoot just 39 percent. He's scored as many as 30 points, has yet to dip below 15 and ranks second in the NBA in assists behind LeBron James.

    All of which doesn't account for his defense and intangibles, not to mention his budding role of assistant coach. For a player who had never played point guard other than as a fill-in for a missing starter or in spot minutes as a backup, he's taken to it like a man who's finally found his way home. Forget that he only started one game at point guard in two seasons with Milwaukee (he had 15 points, nine rebounds and five assists in 26 minutes in a 16-point victory at Washington last February). He declared it was his best position during his introductory press conference after his trade to the Pacers in July and he's backed up the claim every day since then.

    The best indication of his fit for the job is his Player Efficiency Rating, which consolidates a player's entire performance via complicated formula into one number, taking into account playing time and pace of play. Brogdon's rating is 28.9. For perspective, Domantas Sabonis was last season's leader for the Pacers at 21.9. Victor Oladipo's rating during his All-Star season two years ago was 23.1. George McGinnis' rating during his league MVP season of 1974-75 was 25.1. Reggie Miller's best PER season was 21.2.

    As for the all-timers, Michael Jordan's best rating was 31.7 and LeBron James' was 31.8, last season.

    "He's been unreal," Doug McDermott said. "He knows how to control a team. He's got that demeanor where he can really lead a team and lead by example. We're following his lead. He's putting up some crazy numbers very quietly."

    It's important to point out that we're only five games into the season, too early for final declarations. It's also important to point out that Brogdon is a fourth-year pro adjusting to a new position. While his numbers might be inflated a bit by the absence of Oladipo and, more recently, Myles Turner, he's also far more likely to improve than regress.

    "It's going to be a work in progress for me for years to come," he says.

    Brogdon's relationship with coach Nate McMillan and the rest of the coaching staff has been crucial to his sprint out of the blocks. McMillan is a former second-round draft pick who played point guard for 12 seasons in the NBA, contributing so much in non-scoring ways as a part-time starter that his number was retired by Seattle. Brogdon can relate to him as well as to assistant coach/defensive coordinator Dan Burke, to the extent he has become practically a member of the coaching staff.

    An example: Detroit was "killing us on, a stack play" in their second meeting on Monday, so Brogdon suggested to Burke at halftime that they veer from the defensive philosophy and switch on screens. Burke agreed, and the defensive effort improved noticeably in the second half, and continues to do so.

    Another example: Brogdon had an idea how to get more movement in the early offense during Friday's morning shootaround. McMillan stopped practice and let him explain. "OK, that looks good to me," McMillan said, and the plan was implemented.

    It's a two-way street, of course. McMillan and Brogdon often review video together, during which McMillan draws upon his point guard-ing experience to make plenty suggestions of his own.

    "Me and coach McMillan have a lot of open dialogue every single day," Brogdon said. "More than I've had with any coach I've ever been coached by. Him just asking what I see out there, him bringing to me suggestions and wanting my commentary...we're always in communication.

    "All the coaches are so open...there's such a low ego. They listen to the players, the players listen to the coaches, there's a lot of trust."

    Brogdon has been instrumental in improving the Pacers' defense, not just by strategic suggestions but also by instilling better communication. It took a while for quiet guys Jeremy Lamb and T.J. Warren to feel comfortable shouting directions to their new teammates, and for others to know when to speak up, but a mindset is gradually taking form. The Pacers' defensive performance against Cleveland on Friday was the best so far, and absolutely necessary in a game when they shot poorly.

    "Most of the guys on the team are talking now," Brogdon said. "And the guys who are supposed to talk are talking now."

    Brogdon chooses his words carefully when talking with the media. No joking around after practice (unless a teammate butts in for a split second), no celebrating after victories, no ranting after losses. He's always in mentor mode, balancing his praise with perspective.

    Friday's victory, then, was merely "a step in the right direction." And rookie Goga Bitadze's vital and promising contribution of 10 points and nine rebounds was nice and all, but nothing to gush over.

    "I don't want it to be fool's gold for him," he said. "I don't want him to think it's easy. He needs to bring that preparation, that focus, every night. And we'll stay on him to make sure he does. He's extremely talented, he's going to be really good for us this season, but it's a long season and you have to understand that."



    • #3
      This is going to be tough. They have an extra day of rest and are at home. Let's hope for the best, gents.


      • #4
        What was the original prognosis for Turner? Cause I saw a clip of him practicing yesterday one on one and the injury report had him as doubtful. Sure he won't play tonight but his return seems close?
        Never forget


        • #5
          Glad he is practicing so his skills will not reverse


          • #6
            Does Brogdon have the stats to be an all star if he keeps it up?


            • #7
              Nate may be the perfect coach for Malcolm. And Malcolm perfect point for Nate as he is
              a coach on the floor. He is dead serious about leading this team.


              • #8
                Brogdon was a hell of a pickup for this team.

                Well done by Pritch & Simon.


                • #9
                  I sure hope Sabonis plays, should be an easy win if he does.
                  *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.


                  • #10
                    Turner = Doubtful (no chance)
                    Sabonis = Questionable, likely except for weird situation before tip
                    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!


                    • #11
                      So if Domas is able to play, is the consensus that he’ll start at PF alongside Goga? Or will Nate slide him to the C spot and use someone like Sampson or Leaf in the lineup again? I doubt we’ll see anything as crazy as Warren starting at the 4...


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by indyman37 View Post
                        So if Domas is able to play, is the consensus that he’ll start at PF alongside Goga? Or will Nate slide him to the C spot and use someone like Sampson or Leaf in the lineup again? I doubt we’ll see anything as crazy as Warren starting at the 4...
                        If Sabonis plays, I hope we start Goga and let Leaf handle backup center. Leaf or Sampson will probably get the start though.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                          If Sabonis plays, I hope we start Goga and let Leaf handle backup center. Leaf or Sampson will probably get the start though.
                          I’d be fine with starting Sabonis and Goga, but I would love to see J. Holiday get the start with Brogdon/Lamb/Warren/Sabonis. If you look at splits of our best three-man lineups with at least 30 mins so far, I’ve noticed that the top handful of results all include Justin with starters. But who knows.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                            I sure hope Sabonis plays, should be an easy win if he does.
                            Nothing like jinxing the whole affair before even getting started.


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by owl View Post
                              Brogdon Serious About Being a Point Guard

                              by Mark Montieth
                              Posted: Nov 02, 2019
                              An example: Detroit was "killing us on, a stack play" in their second meeting on Monday, so Brogdon suggested to Burke at halftime that they veer from the defensive philosophy and switch on screens. Burke agreed, and the defensive effort improved noticeably in the second half, and continues to do so.

                              Another example: Brogdon had an idea how to get more movement in the early offense during Friday's morning shootaround. McMillan stopped practice and let him explain. "OK, that looks good to me," McMillan said, and the plan was implemented.
                              The term "high basketball IQ" is thrown around a lot, usually inappropriately. Brogdan, however, sounds like the real deal.