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Pacers and Sabonis far apart on extension talks. Pacers listening to offers: The Athletic

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  • #46
    Originally posted by dal9 View Post

    why do you say a C worth more than a PF in general?
    That’s not what I am saying. I mean his correct position in the NBA is at center.

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    • #47
      I have no problem paying him the market rate for a Starting Quality Non-All Star Big Man going into his first RFA Contract. Probably somewhere between 17 to 19 mil....if not what Myles got.

      If he's targeting the early to mid 20 mil range, I'd consider trading him.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post
        He’s wants around 24 million a year. That ain’t worth it especially when Dipo and Brogdon make around 21
        Where are you getting that number from? I haven't read anything stating what he wants or what the team is offering. I hope the team isn't trying to low ball him with a 14-15 mill offer.
        Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

        Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by docpaul View Post

          No numbers shared on the Amick article. If it’s 18 or less a year, I’ll be disappointed. If it’s 19 or more, I’ll understand.


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          I ask because Woj quoted $18M/year as the number to pay attention to.

          If I'm Sabonis, I'm playing this out. His stats will be great.

          A suggestion I made at the party was Draymond Green for one of our bigs.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post

            Where are you getting that number from? I haven't read anything stating what he wants or what the team is offering. I hope the team isn't trying to low ball him with a 14-15 mill offer.
            They are pulling it out of their asses. There hasn't been any reports on numbers, only that the two sides are far apart. Which honestly is not surprising at this point. For a RFA an extension is a bet. For the team, you are betting the player will outplay their extension, and for the player you are betting you won't get paid as much on the open market. If Sabonis is thinking he can get $20+ million on the open market it is unlikely the Pacers will want to sign him to an extension as the odds of Sabonis out playing a $20+ million extension is small. So you might as well wait for him to prove he is worth that contract before signing him to that contract.

            What does not make a lick of sense to me is trading him before or during the season. At this point it is going to be very difficult to get anything of value for Sabonis. We do not have any bad contracts to pair with him or cap space to absorb a larger contract. Getting equal value for him in a trade is going to be very very difficult. You also have to consider with Vic's injury there is a not small chance that Sabonis will be the best player on the team this season.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

              They are pulling it out of their asses. There hasn't been any reports on numbers, only that the two sides are far apart. Which honestly is not surprising at this point. For a RFA an extension is a bet. For the team, you are betting the player will outplay their extension, and for the player you are betting you won't get paid as much on the open market. If Sabonis is thinking he can get $20+ million on the open market it is unlikely the Pacers will want to sign him to an extension as the odds of Sabonis out playing a $20+ million extension is small. So you might as well wait for him to prove he is worth that contract before signing him to that contract.

              What does not make a lick of sense to me is trading him before or during the season. At this point it is going to be very difficult to get anything of value for Sabonis. We do not have any bad contracts to pair with him or cap space to absorb a larger contract. Getting equal value for him in a trade is going to be very very difficult. You also have to consider with Vic's injury there is a not small chance that Sabonis will be the best player on the team this season.
              For the player the extension lets him lock in a huge payday. If he doesn't sign the extension and gets seriously hurt then he may never get a long term big contract offer again. So he's weighing a sure thing against how much more he might get as a free agent. And the risk is that he could get hurt and get considerably less.

              I'm guessing he has value now to a team that is willing to give him the extension he wants. That value goes away after Monday. After Monday we would be trading him to a team that can only hope to re-sign him after the season. So I think the Pacers are smart to see what the interest level is before the Monday deadline.

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              • #52
                So the Pacers are going to trade away my favorite player. Last year, they also let my favorite player slip away. The year before that, my favorite starter got traded away. Maybe not all the Pacers fault, but this is tough on a fan.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                  So the Pacers are going to trade away my favorite player. Last year, they also let my favorite player slip away. The year before that, my favorite starter got traded away. Maybe not all the Pacers fault, but this is tough on a fan.
                  Who are the other players?

                  I love Sabonis as well, there is a big part of me that hopes we just play out the season with him then let the market & his play decide how much he is worth. Too many questions to be answered at this point to gauge his actual value.

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                  • #54
                    From Amick's article

                    Thus far, sources say the Pacers’ asking price in talks with several teams has been too high
                    Never forget

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                    • #55
                      If he makes it to RFA, some bottom-feeder team will come along and make him a huge, obnoxious offer. If he wants the $$$, he'll take it and be stuck on a bad team, but raking in the cash. If he wants to be on a decent team and make it to the playoffs, he'll need to realize how competing teams are built.

                      No competing team is going to make him an unreasonable offer. That's why they're competing teams and the bottom-feeders are what they are. Smart decisions.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
                        From Amick's article


                        So, we respect his talents enough to ask for a big return, but not enough to pay him?

                        I'm fine with a moderate overpay; if that's what it takes to keep together a talented team worth watching, then pay up. Anything up to around $25M/year should be fine. Any more than that, and I start having serious second thoughts.

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                        • #57
                          Pacers should have traded Turner when the Pelicans were offering all that for him but nope typical Pacers they are going to make a mess out of this whole situation because they didn’t have a plan B.


                          Expect to hear Sabo’s trade demands and list of teams he wants to go to soon.
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                          • #58
                            I love Sabonis, but I would be weary about paying him Myles money. 20/year average would be absolute ceiling for me.

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                            • #59
                              A few of us warned for this ages ago, it was easy to see it coming, I appreciate all the Myles fans believing a pumped up story when on his rookie contract and in the end I'mat peace with his current contract.
                              The market hasn't particularly been wild to pry Turner away from us, though he probably believe the hype around him self as well, seeing his talk about the DPOY.

                              Of course Pacers are "over asking" they are going to trade away a guy worth in the region of 20-25 p/a because they don't want to pay him more than Myles (that may upset Myles) and they have Bitadze for the future, yet he would be ideal to replace Turner, not Domas, who is a far superior passer to anyone on the team, and yes he is our point forward.

                              IF he goes we will not get anywhere near in value, stop dropping the big names, we have no cap room to take on contracts, we are always talking rookie scale people who will present the same problem we have now in the near future.

                              Even the thought of trading him is insane, and make sure you are not scoring big points with your real franchise player.
                              Myles has turned into the new Lance, look at the product on the floor and be honest, he's nowhere near a DPOY like for instance Artest was, and Domas defense is a lot better than most here give him credit for.

                              The idea that Domas is a bench player is ridiculous and if he gets traded to for instance Boston (Larry's involved so who knows) he will most certainly bite us hard.

                              The talk alone has ruined my feelings over the start of the season from mild excitement to totally meh
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by able View Post
                                A few of us warned for this ages ago, it was easy to see it coming, I appreciate all the Myles fans believing a pumped up story when on his rookie contract and in the end I'mat peace with his current contract.
                                The market hasn't particularly been wild to pry Turner away from us, though he probably believe the hype around him self as well, seeing his talk about the DPOY.

                                Of course Pacers are "over asking" they are going to trade away a guy worth in the region of 20-25 p/a because they don't want to pay him more than Myles (that may upset Myles) and they have Bitadze for the future, yet he would be ideal to replace Turner, not Domas, who is a far superior passer to anyone on the team, and yes he is our point forward.

                                IF he goes we will not get anywhere near in value, stop dropping the big names, we have no cap room to take on contracts, we are always talking rookie scale people who will present the same problem we have now in the near future.

                                Even the thought of trading him is insane, and make sure you are not scoring big points with your real franchise player.
                                Myles has turned into the new Lance, look at the product on the floor and be honest, he's nowhere near a DPOY like for instance Artest was, and Domas defense is a lot better than most here give him credit for.

                                The idea that Domas is a bench player is ridiculous and if he gets traded to for instance Boston (Larry's involved so who knows) he will most certainly bite us hard.

                                The talk alone has ruined my feelings over the start of the season from mild excitement to totally meh
                                I think Sabonis is clearly a starting level player but its unclear as to if he can play PF or if he has to play C. Turner / Sabonis are similar levels of players with their own faults so if Sabonis is demanding much more than Turner got it seems pretty clear to take Turner. Turner probably won't be an all-star but he is a great complimentary piece for any team. This is a guard / wing league now so personally I think they are better off keeping Turner and trying to find a wing to pair with Victor if we have to trade Sabonis.

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