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Pacers and Sabonis far apart on extension talks. Pacers listening to offers: The Athletic

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  • **** yeah!!! What a relief...

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    • Woo-hoo! Whether in engineering, interior decorating, committee organizing, or armchair GMing, there's something deeply satisfying about taking a bunch of quality parts that don't fit perfectly ... and making them work. Let's discount the he-said-they-said rumors and celebrate the news that we'll be continuing to cheer for a key component to a team that is building on the young players we've grown fond of, in spite of their imperfections ... maybe even because of their imperfections.

      Now, PREPARE FOR BATTLE!!


      "Sumner reminds me of a young Paul George."

      - Clyde Drexler.

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      • Originally posted by PaulGeorgeHill View Post

        Only thing this did was prove you were full of ****
        really...so this is my original post
        1 Domas was confident he will get an extension and he was looking for same deal as Turner and not a penny less as it's not exactly about money as about perceived value (if Turner had smaller contract or a larger one it would made no difference) the asking contract would be same as Turner and not a penny less.
        2 Pacers FO indicated that Turners money was a non starter.
        3 Domas was happy to play out the season without an extention.
        4 Pacers realised (Domas as well) that in a weak FO he will receive bigger offer anyway.
        5 Pacers leaked that Domas is being shopped in order to pressure for him to sign an extension (i do not know the number they where offering, but it was less than Miles.)
        6. Domas got enraged call his dad for advise.
        7 Advise was stop negotiations go public call Vic and ask for a trade.
        8 As i understand now Pacers are ready to pay him Miles money....but Domas is saying he will not sign anything and if not traded will take qualifying offer....
        9 Vic is asking Domas reconsider and take the deal.
        10 Domas are talking to Vic about playing together on another team.
        11 Deal could happen if Domas cools dawn....(he can get extremely mad) even he is as mild mannered as they come.


        do you mind showing me inaccuracies in it.

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        • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post
          Yikes Brown got 29 mil
          That means Vic is getting at least 35 million minimum
          Vic is 100% getting the max, if he's healthy by that point. If he gets to 100% this season or is showing significant progress theretowards, he will get every dollar he possibly can. And deserves to.

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          • Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

            I don't know your source but I'm fairly confident from waht I know that the Pacers were not the ones who leaked this.

            Vic and Domas are very good friends, but Victor Oladipo is not tying his career to Domas. Oladipo is beloved here in a way that transcends whatever he does with the Pacers, this cannot be overstated. However, Oladipo also holds considerable sway over the org.

            Anyway, there's a lot of emotion going on here on both sides for sure, if cooler heads can prevail, there's no reason both sides shouldn't come to an agreement by 6pm.
            Easy enough. Let's play basketball.


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            • Sad to see the disrespect to Sabonis the past couple of days. He has been an important player the past 2 seasons for the Pacers. His 1st year with the Pacers, he definitely played better than Turner. This past year, Turner had a very slow start to the season and Sabonis came in and produced.

              I don't want to make it Sabonis vs. Turner. I'm happy the Pacers have both.

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              • Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                really...so this is my original post
                1 Domas was confident he will get an extension and he was looking for same deal as Turner and not a penny less as it's not exactly about money as about perceived value (if Turner had smaller contract or a larger one it would made no difference) the asking contract would be same as Turner and not a penny less.
                2 Pacers FO indicated that Turners money was a non starter.
                3 Domas was happy to play out the season without an extention.
                4 Pacers realised (Domas as well) that in a weak FO he will receive bigger offer anyway.
                5 Pacers leaked that Domas is being shopped in order to pressure for him to sign an extension (i do not know the number they where offering, but it was less than Miles.)
                6. Domas got enraged call his dad for advise.
                7 Advise was stop negotiations go public call Vic and ask for a trade.
                8 As i understand now Pacers are ready to pay him Miles money....but Domas is saying he will not sign anything and if not traded will take qualifying offer....
                9 Vic is asking Domas reconsider and take the deal.
                10 Domas are talking to Vic about playing together on another team.
                11 Deal could happen if Domas cools dawn....(he can get extremely mad) even he is as mild mannered as they come.


                do you mind showing me inaccuracies in it.
                Yeah you said the Pacers wouldn't give him more than Myles, but they did. So pretty big inaccuracy. You're just a big Domas fan and maybe know someone tangentially related to the Sabonis family. It's cool.


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                • Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                  No way Domas signs anything now...my prediction (and i know Domas and his family somewhat)...he will ask for a trade ...i believe bridges are burned...trust is lost...
                  Hmm. So now what do you have to say, insider?

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                  • Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                    really...so this is my original post
                    1 Domas was confident he will get an extension and he was looking for same deal as Turner and not a penny less as it's not exactly about money as about perceived value (if Turner had smaller contract or a larger one it would made no difference) the asking contract would be same as Turner and not a penny less.
                    2 Pacers FO indicated that Turners money was a non starter.
                    3 Domas was happy to play out the season without an extention.
                    4 Pacers realised (Domas as well) that in a weak FO he will receive bigger offer anyway.
                    5 Pacers leaked that Domas is being shopped in order to pressure for him to sign an extension (i do not know the number they where offering, but it was less than Miles.)
                    6. Domas got enraged call his dad for advise.
                    7 Advise was stop negotiations go public call Vic and ask for a trade.
                    8 As i understand now Pacers are ready to pay him Miles money....but Domas is saying he will not sign anything and if not traded will take qualifying offer....
                    9 Vic is asking Domas reconsider and take the deal.
                    10 Domas are talking to Vic about playing together on another team.
                    11 Deal could happen if Domas cools dawn....(he can get extremely mad) even he is as mild mannered as they come.


                    do you mind showing me inaccuracies in it.
                    Oh where to start...

                    Let's start with #8 Pacers paid him MORE than Myles (it's MYLES by the way) and Domas signed the extension. You really expect us to believe that Vic and Domas talked about playing together on a different team? This is Vic's team and has never once given any indication of going anywhere else. You claim to have this "insider information" but looks like you just threw **** against the wall to see if it will stick. Some of it stuck, most of it did not. Nothing you said is any tangible proof that you have any inside information.

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                    • Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

                      Yeah you said the Pacers wouldn't give him more than Myles, but they did. So pretty big inaccuracy. You're just a big Domas fan and maybe know someone tangentially related to the Sabonis family. It's cool.
                      As i understand it Domantas was going to take Myles money, but Pacers were lowballing him and leaked that he is shopped...Domas got mad...They finally were ready to pay him Turners money...but Domas was still mad...they payed some extra...for the trouble they caused ....everyone is happy now...

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                      • Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                        Domantas Sabonis: “Theres not really much to talk about. I know exactly how the Pacers feel about me now. They know how I feel about that. There’s not much more to say. I’ll let my agents do the rest of it, we’ll see what happens”

                        https://twitter.com/teastnba/status/...137197569?s=21
                        Now that this contract has been signed: is it possible that Domantas knew that he was going to be signed all along?

                        This is why I held out hope. People immediately went negative with his quote, but it's not clear that their conversation was a negative one. He could have known that the Pacers really wanted him as a part of the core.

                        Man, reading through this thread now is awesome. All of this confirmation bias within the thread.

                        Is there anyone here that doesn't think that 4/74.9 is a great deal?! It's literally between 18 and 19 mil/year, which is good market value.

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                        • Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                          As i understand it Domantas was going to take Myles money, but Pacers were lowballing him and leaked that he is shopped...Domas got mad...They finally were ready to pay him Turners money...but Domas was still mad...they payed some extra...for the trouble they caused ....everyone is happy now...
                          In the US, it's our form of negotiation. When someone knows the fair market value of something, they don't start the negotiation process with that number... they start lower knowing that it'll be countered higher, with the goal of hitting the middle of the sides. Which is literally between 18 and 19mil/year.

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                          • Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post

                            As i understand it Domantas was going to take Myles money, but Pacers were lowballing him and leaked that he is shopped...Domas got mad...They finally were ready to pay him Turners money...but Domas was still mad...they payed some extra...for the trouble they caused ....everyone is happy now...
                            I'd call within $0.75M per year pretty much exactly Myles money.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • Originally posted by PaulGeorgeHill View Post

                              Oh where to start...

                              Let's start with #8 Pacers paid him MORE than Myles (it's MYLES by the way) and Domas signed the extension. You really expect us to believe that Vic and Domas talked about playing together on a different team? This is Vic's team and has never once given any indication of going anywhere else. You claim to have this "insider information" but looks like you just threw **** against the wall to see if it will stick. Some of it stuck, most of it did not. Nothing you said is any tangible proof that you have any inside information.
                              You misunderstood me...i wasn't in a room when Domas, Greg and Thad called and where really angry about "we want to trade you leak"...people who where in a room got angry as well...suggestions F*** them take Q offer next year...ask 4 a trade...talk to Vic etc....mood was to hurt the Pacers as much as possible ...or so i was told ...then they got news that they ready to pay...but anger was still there...i guess everyone come dawn and made a deal...but man it should never be like that....

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                              • Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                                Hmm. So now what do you have to say, insider?
                                that was yesterday ...things change ...

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