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  • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Pacers should have traded Turner when the Pelicans were offering all that for him but nope typical Pacers they are going to make a mess out of this whole situation because they didn’t have a plan B.


    Expect to hear Sabo’s trade demands and list of teams he wants to go to soon.
    I actually agree with everything you said. I was pulling for that #4 pick package as well.

    I like Myles but he’s a bit inconsistent on the offensive end. He’s like Roy Hibbert 2.0 and I’m worried he might not have another level to get to. Maybe having Gaga makes Sabonis redundant now but I’m not sold on that just yet. Sabonis seemed upset by it when asked about it.

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    • Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post

      Well, for starters we have a little under 70 mill committed in free agency when Dipo is a free agent. You give Sabonis over 20 mill how do you plan on keeping Dipo?
      By going into the tax, of course.

      Sabonis and Dipo are tight, it might not matter if he gets upset about losing a good friend who is a hell of a player on top of that.

      The pressure is on Pritch to make this work. If it doesnt, it could be bad for us long term.
      Last edited by Taterhead; 10-19-2019, 11:47 PM.
      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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      • Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
        Grant Afseth is the Dollar Tree version of Evan Massey. I'd trust Miss Cleo with a crystal ball over either of those turds.
        So he's Tony East
        Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

        Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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        • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post

          By going into the tax, of course.

          Sabonis and Dipo are tight, it might not matter if he gets upset about losing a good friend who is a hell of a player on top of that.

          The pressure is on Pritch to make this work. If it doesnt, it could be bad for us long term.
          Obviously we don't know the number but I feel like its less about an overpay for money reasons but its more strategic. If we pay Sabo $25MM that contract is not movable unless he significantly improves. It's the same amount Gobert is getting paid. This is where not starting Sabonis/Turner last year really hurts us. If we knew more about how the pairing would work we could make a much more informed decision. As it stands today we have no ****ing clue how they will play together so we can't determine if its worth it to overpay Sabonis in order to keep the core together.

          The safest option would be to trade Sabonis to preserve long term flexibility however I doubt the Pacers will be able to get back an even piece for him as is.

          I think the best option might just be to not sign him to an extension and trade him at the deadline if Sabonis / Turner does not appear to be working.

          I will say that this rush job to immediately asses his trade value certainly reflects poorly on the front office.

          Originally posted by Pacerized View Post

          So he's Tony East
          Tony East is quoting an ESPN article and providing some commentary on top of it. He's not purporting to have the first hand knowledge.

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          • Originally posted by youOk View Post

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            Tony East is quoting an ESPN article and providing some commentary on top of it. He's not purporting to have the first hand knowledge.
            Do you have a link to that article? I don't see any source that says Sabonis is asking 25 mil like East is proposing. I think he's talking out of his ***.
            Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

            Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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            • Domas was at the Pacers function tonight. So he can't be too mad at them. I can't tell much from his expression, but he's definitely not gleeful. And he's got phone in hand as though he's been keeping tabs on something.

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              • Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                I’m not saying rebounding is not important all I’m saying is it has not been any winning team strength the last couple of years.Warriors Toronto Cleveland and Miami were near the bottom or middle of the pack. All of those teams were great at Offense and Defense Efficiency and three point shooting. I’ll say rebounding is 3rd to 5th most important to win a championship
                Okay, let's assume that you are correct and that it is 3rd to 5th most important thing. Would you really think a team can contend for anything being abysmal at the 3rd to 5th most important thing? Because I'm telling you, without Sabonis on this team we are abysmal at rebounding. Now the caveat to that is this. I have no idea of what Goga is as a rebounder. He may be great he may suck I just don't know.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • Every rebound is a new offensive opportunity. In a tight game, every additional opportunity is golden.
                  I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                  • I heard if you score more points than the other team you win most of the time.

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                    • Originally posted by Peck View Post

                      Okay, let's assume that you are correct and that it is 3rd to 5th most important thing. Would you really think a team can contend for anything being abysmal at the 3rd to 5th most important thing? Because I'm telling you, without Sabonis on this team we are abysmal at rebounding. Now the caveat to that is this. I have no idea of what Goga is as a rebounder. He may be great he may suck I just don't know.
                      It happens occasionally, but you have to be really good in other areas. The Rockets were bad at it last year. Two years ago it was the Warriors, and three years ago it was the Warriors and Cavs.

                      I would tend to agree they would need another front court body that was decent at rebounding if they traded Sabonjs. I would remind though that not having a Collison/Matthews backcourt is already going to help. That might have been one of the worst rebounding backcourts ever, and they replaced them with much better rebounders for their position.

                      ​​​That's especially big for a team like the Pacers where Turner is good at sealing off the best rebounder, but just often needs help securing the board.

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                      • Originally posted by natjjohn View Post
                        I heard if you score more points than the other team you win most of the time.
                        I heard that too - many times. Mostly from the players who do not want to defend...
                        I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                        • Rebounding is one of the most important aspects of winning basketball games. Offensive rebounding gives your team extra chances, and free throw opportunities, and frustrates the defense. Defensive rebounding is a key part of good defense in general, limiting the offense to just one shot.(Coachesclipboard.com)

                          Or you may want to argue that "modern teams need it less" which I'll give you but I don't see the splash brothers walking through that door, we (Pacers) need all the rebounds we can get.
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                          • Before everyone loses their mind remember that neither side is showing their final number until Monday afternoon. Right now there is a lot of posturing going on.

                            Just because Turner's extension didn't play out publicly doesn't mean that it wasn't contentious also. Remember he did not sign until the last minute so it wasn't a slam dunk on both sides.

                            It seems the Pacers want to keep Sabonis and Sabonis wants to stay here so there should be a deal that works for both sides.

                            If either side is too far away from a 4 year deal around $70-$75 then they probably are not being realistic.

                            For people who say go ahead and pay Sabonis whatever he is asking, remember from the Pacers perspective, Oladipo will be eligible for an extension next summer so the long term cap number has to be kept in mind. Based on current projections his max extension (not super max) would be worth 4 years at $169,000,000 or 5 years at $220,000,000.

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                            • Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              You can read this however you want to but this would kind of imply to me that the Pacers are trying to pay him less than Turner. He's not worth 25 million, I'll easily concede that, but if they think they can pay him 14-15 a year they have lost their damned minds as well.


                              Grant Afseth
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                              1h
                              According to a league source, Indiana Pacers center Domantas Sabonis is not willing to take "a penny less" than what Myles Turner received on his four year, $72 million contract extension.
                              That is exactly where his market should be. I have stated several times on this board that the team should start at 4-60 and that leaves them a couple million in the negotiation. Who out there is setting the market for Domas to be paid 20 million? Who is your comp? I see Kanter signing a 2-10 million dollar contract, Randle signed a 3-56 million dollar contract with the Knicks, these are his comps. Kanter isn’t as good, and I will give you that it was a value contract to sign with a good team, however, Randle has put up better numbers than Domas, and signed with a garbage franchise, and it was widely panned as a overpay. We are a good solid team, why should we have to overpay? And why would we be out of our damn minds for insisting on a fair deal?If Domas wants to be overpaid, he needs to find a crap organization to play for, I am proud of my Pacers for doing the right thing.

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                              • The local media should be roasting KP. He should have known, well before the draft, the amount of $$ Sabonis was looking for. Could have traded to move up in the draft for a change. Cobi White and Alexander-Walker would have been very nice to have. Another blunder by Kevin Pritchard.
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