The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Thread to discuss the issue of the Darryl Morey tweet about Hong Kong, the NBA (organization/owners/management/players/agents) response to it. WARNING AT THE BEGINNING

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  • #31
    I thought this was a interesting perspective as well:

    Yahoo Sports: Sure, it’s cool to call LeBron a hypocrite, but the truth is he’s just like most people

    But almost everyone went along with it. Players and coaches said they felt lucky to be part of a league that valued freedom of speech. James himself produced a documentary series called “Shut Up and Dribble,” exploring NBA players’ changing roles in affecting social change. #MoreThanAnAthlete, right? The media, including myself, praised the phenomenon without applying appropriate rigor. And the fans just wanted to feel good about liking what they were watching. The impulse seems innocent, but it left so much unexamined.

    Those chickens just came home to roost. With James opting to protect his pockets, the NBA finally passed the morality buck back to its consumers.

    Does that make him a hypocrite? Yes. I might add, though, that “hypocrite” has become quite the scarlet letter for a term that applies to nearly every one of us, especially when it comes to our economic ties to China. That’s the problem with marketing morality: Moral character doesn’t exist in an easily prepackaged binary of good and bad. It’s more like a dichotomy, and most of us fill in the space between monks and multibillionaires.

    No matter how many times James’ tweet quoting Martin Luther King Jr. is retroactively ironically retweeted today, James’ stance on China — though I do hope he examines it — doesn’t erase the good he’s done.
    LeBron’s passivity doesn’t make him a fraud. It makes him like most people: He believes in a few key issues that are close to his heart and makes sacrifices for them while generally doing what good he can within the confines of the behavior that ensures the rewards keep rolling in. He is morally compromised in a morally compromised world, a hypocrite and a hero to the people he has uplifted, an aspiring billionaire trying to be a social activist, more than an athlete but less than an ideal.


    • #32

      Protesters said James’ comments smacked of a double-standard, because he’s used his clout as a sports headliner to press for social causes in the United States.

      “Please remember, all NBA players, what you said before: ‘Black lives matter.’ Hong Kong lives also matter!”one of the protesters, 36-year-old office worker William Mok, said in addressing the applauding crowd.

      Others said LeBron’s comments made it seem that he’s more worried about money than people.

      “James was trying, you know, to take a side, on the China side, which is like ridiculous,” said Aaron Lee, a 36-year-old marketing director. “He was being honest, financially. Financial is money. Simple as that. LeBron James stands for money. Period.”
      Last edited by vapacersfan; 10-18-2019, 05:27 AM.


      • #33
        This is a bit OT so mods feel free to delete if this does not belong.

        It appears the NBA is not the only company in hot water with China as of late. I saw on the news this morning South Park was as well. Also a article I read from the WSJ was talking about Blizzard media. Still not sure what they do (computer games, video games?) but looks like they were in the news and are backing off a suspension for a gamer relating to the HK/China situation


        • #34
          I believe Adam Silver would stand up to China and risk the money if this story doesn't die.


          • #35
            Can you imagine how bad China would look if nobody in their country was allowed to watch the NBA in 2019?


            • #36
              Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
              Can you imagine how bad China would look if nobody in their country was allowed to watch the NBA in 2019?
              They’re not doing that to themselves. They tried to ban Nintendo for decades. All it did was create a lucrative black market for it and embarrass them for being powerless to do anything about it. Even in China if enough people want something, they’re going to get it with or without government approval.
              Last edited by Kstat; 10-18-2019, 11:22 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
                Can you imagine how bad China would look if nobody in their country was allowed to watch the NBA in 2019?
                I honestly don’t think the government of China cares how they would look.

                I mean, without getting OT, this is a country that has banned winnie the pooh for crying out loud


                • #38
                  Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
                  I believe Adam Silver would stand up to China and risk the money if this story doesn't die.
                  I think this is a interesting side conversation to have. At this time I have two thoughts:

                  1. I think this, like most hot topics, will die soon enough. I bet the NBA and LeBron are really hoping that is sooner rather than later.

                  1A. The only way I see this topic not dying is if another Tiananmen Square type incident happen.

                  2. While I would like to agree with you I actually don’t. I think the NBA (like Apple, Nike, etc) value the bottom line. We as consumers value cheap products, and we are willing [IMO sometimes consciously sometimes sub-consciously] to look the other way


                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
                    I believe Adam Silver would stand up to China and risk the money if this story doesn't die.
                    I have been quite pleased with Silver. He is standing firm on his principles. So much more respect to him than some of the other faces of the NBA.


                    • #40
                      I wish I could talk about this more, but I don't think people really understand how big of an issue this is, and how important the NBA's and Silver's response to China is.


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                        I have been quite pleased with Silver. He is standing firm on his principles. So much more respect to him than some of the other faces of the NBA.
                        Eh . . . it's not so much principles as it is a financially-motivated calculated response. As much as he wants that Chinese money, he can't risk any further damage to the league's reputation in America. Naive, overly-emotional people will buy into it, and that's the entire point.


                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                          I wish I could talk about this more, but I don't think people really understand how big of an issue this is, and how important the NBA's and Silver's response to China is.
                          There are so many different directions discussion could go on this topic. It actually puts a spotlight on our culture and forcibly requires consistency lest people come off as clear hypocrites. It is really a wonderful development requiring that people actually think about their positions instead of automatically reaching for their favorite biases. This is one reason along with money that several people have acted in confusing and inconsistent ways. It has exposed character in ways we would never see within our own culture and through our own media’s filter.


                          • #43
                            1. Producer and activist Andrew Duncan bought 300 tickets to tonight's Nets vs Raptors game and is hosting hundreds of Chinese pro-Democracy activists to protest the NBA.

                            They're all wearing "Stand With Hong Kong" t-shirts View image on Twitter



                            • #44
                              Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                              I thought this was a interesting perspective as well:


                              Yahoo Sports: Sure, it’s cool to call LeBron a hypocrite, but the truth is he’s just like most people
                              Thank you for posting this.

                              The current political climate has done 1 good has exposed how naive, misinformed, self absorbed, easily manipulated and hypocritical the average person is.

                              I always side with the people over the government. I wont pretend I am anti government when I'm the one voting to enable them thru deregulation like the right. And I wont pretend I am for the people when I vote to empower the government thru excessive taxation on the working class like the left. I refuse to fall into that. It's a game people, and this Hong Kong nonsense is just another way to distract us from the fact the elites in this country are enslaving us economically and socially thru the masterfully executed art of media manipulation, on both sides. All they do is attempt to separate us thru emotional manipulation. You're side isnt righteous, it's just the other side of the coin. Stop buying into it and go talk to your neighbor about life. Youd be surprised how alike you are.

                              Wake up.

                              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                                1. Producer and activist Andrew Duncan bought 300 tickets to tonight's Nets vs Raptors game and is hosting hundreds of Chinese pro-Democracy activists to protest the NBA.

                                They're all wearing "Stand With Hong Kong" t-shirts View image on Twitter


                                If China was embarrassed about a tweet. This might just be the beginning for them.