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  • Thread to discuss the issue of the Darryl Morey tweet about Hong Kong, the NBA (organization/owners/management/players/agents) response to it. WARNING AT THE BEGINNING

    It has been requested that this be a topic of discussion. This certainly is a topic that falls into basketball discussion (at the moment) and how the association that we all follow has responded and will be impacted by it going forward.

    That being said this comes very close to touching the third rail of politics that we do NOT want on the main board. So with that in mind the ground rules are pretty basic. Feel free to discuss anything that is on this topic. However do not turn this into a political discussion. In other words to break this down to the most general statements there will be no "Orange man bad" or "all of these lefty NBA people are commies anyway" type of posts. Is pointing out hypocrisy a political point? Probably, but that basically what this entire controversy is over so that is almost impossible to avoid.

    We will keep a very close watch on this and will remove posts or close the thread as needed.

    With that in mind, feel free to comment.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    I'm very interested to see where this story goes from here. Is the whole China issue over with?

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    • #3
      The NBA wasn't the only major company that ran afoul of China's sensibilities. Microsoft and Blizzard recently got some punitive actions against them for speaking ill of the Chinese government. Infact Blizzard banned or suspended a streamer who had displayed a free hong kong sign in their video feed.

      This is really concrete proof that most American companies are no longer American in any way as they openly bow to the whims of the Chinese government. Its an unprecedented move that China would threaten a company because a customer/ user or employee in the another part of the world posted something or streamed something they didn't like.

      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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      • #4
        Allow me to share my thoughts on HK. It is not as straightforward as a fight for democracy. As Kerr and LBJ said, there are many nuances to consider. Personally, I do think there have not been any human rights abuses committed by the police, at least compared to how other police forces handle riots.

        The trouble began with the proposed extradition bill, which would have allowed criminals who commit crimes in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau to be arrested and brought back to the scene of the crime. This followed a case whereby a Hong Kong man killed someone in Taiwan but couldn’t be charged after returning to HK. The HK government decided to close the legal loophole and expand the coverage to include China and Macau. Beijing probably didn’t have anything to do with it.

        This proved to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. The youth in HK had felt a sense of hopelessness as they are unable to get good jobs due to the city’s worsening economic prospects. As arguably the freest economy, the impact of the trade war was felt. Even so, they have been losing China related business to Shanghai and Shenzhen and competing fiercely with Singapore for international business. The biggest social issue is the affordability of homes. Even the 400 square foot micro apartments are expensive and beyond the budgets of most young people. The problem is that property developers hoard land, waiting for prices to rise before beginning construction.

        In general, Hong Kongers have disliked the mainland Chinese for a long time. The mainlanders are viewed as uncouth, and not just by HK. Even their own government had issued a guide on how to avoid being a terrible tourist. Since the handover in 1997, mainlanders have been flocking to HK, resulting in a strain of the city’s social infrastructure. Schools and hospitals became crowded.

        What started out as peaceful protests to prevent the passing of the bill evolved. Some felt the authorities would only listen to violence. The violence led to arguments within families; typically, the older generation would ask their children to refrain from joining the protests. The leaderless movement eventually released 5 demands: “one, the bill must be withdrawn; two, the chief executive must resign; three, the government must retract its characterisation of the violent clashes as “riots”; four, there must be a full independent inquiry into the actions of the police and; five, everyone arrested in respect of the clashes must be unconditionally freed.”

        I am not sure if one of the demands has been changed to requiring democracy but it seems more like a politically expedient tool to leverage on the trade war and gain supporters overseas. In any case, they have lost the moral high ground. They have attacked police repeatedly. The protestor that was shot ambushed police with other protestors armed with metal poles. One protestor also stabbed a policeman in the neck with a penknife. I particularly remember these incidents because they were videoed. They beat up other citizens, usually older folk, for having a different point of view and inconvenience everyone by destroying public property.

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        • #5
          Why do all these sports people keep opening their mouth ?? Or pressing SEND ??

          Haven't they learned from the past ?? NONE of these 'incidents' ever end up well. The offender will get vilified until another comes along. Rinse / repeat. Owners, office people, players, ball-boys (and girls), mascots - just do your job. And your job is to entertain. The only people that care about your 'opinions' are either minions that live and die with your every word (and therefore - have no opinion of their own) or people that want to rip you a new one. No matter what you say, no matter what side of the fence you fall on - there is always another group of people that are on the other side. It's a lose-lose situation. Keep your opinions with your friends, family, co-workers - that makes for discussion. Throwing stupid stuff out there for the world to see makes for - THIS.

          Hate to say it (well, not really, but saying that makes IT OK) - just shut up and dribble. Yeah - that'd be great.
          Last edited by PacerDude; 10-16-2019, 06:20 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Team Indy View Post

            The trouble began with the proposed extradition bill, which would have allowed criminals who commit crimes in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau to be arrested and brought back to the scene of the crime. This followed a case whereby a Hong Kong man killed someone in Taiwan but couldn’t be charged after returning to HK. The HK government decided to close the legal loophole and expand the coverage to include China and Macau. Beijing probably didn’t have anything to do with it.
            I find this VERY hard to believe Beijing knew nothing about this bill. They heard about Morey and his tweet. They were behind the legislation. I heard it being discussed
            as people in Hong Kong be extradited to China for their justice. That would be very bad as they can then take political enemies out of Hong Kong easily.


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            • #7
              From wikipedia....

              The introduction of the bill caused widespread criticism domestically and abroad from the legal profession, journalist organisations, business groups, and foreign governments fearing the erosion of Hong Kong's legal system and its built-in safeguards, as well as damage to Hong Kong's business climate. Largely, this fear is attributed to China's newfound ability through this bill to arrest voices of political dissent in Hong Kong. There have been multiple protests against the bill in Hong Kong and other cities abroad. On 9 June, protesters estimated to number from hundreds of thousands to more than a million marched in the streets and called for Chief Executive Carrie Lam to step down.[4][5] On 15 June, Lam announced she would 'suspend' the proposed bill.[6] Ongoing protests called for a complete withdrawal of the bill and subsequently the implementation of universal suffrage, which is promised in the Basic Law. On 4 September, after 13 weeks of protests, Lam officially promised to withdraw the bill upon the resumption of the legislative session from its summer recess.[7][8]
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              • #8
                Somebody help me here. Isn't the U.S. doing boatloads of business with China, and for a couple decades now? Don't almost all Americans buy TVs and phones made in China? Where is all the protesting for that? Why isn't Walmart being picketed and boycotted?

                I'm not saying there should not be criticism for the NBA doing business with the Communists. But why are they all of the sudden being targeted? Are they supposed to suddenly become social justice warriors regarding China when all the rest of us are constantly doing business with China every day? I'm not being difficult. I'm asking an honest question.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                  Somebody help me here. Isn't the U.S. doing boatloads of business with China, and for a couple decades now? Don't almost all Americans buy TVs and phones made in China? Where is all the protesting for that? Why isn't Walmart being picketed and boycotted?

                  I'm not saying there should not be criticism for the NBA doing business with the Communists. But why are they all of the sudden being targeted? Are they supposed to suddenly become social justice warriors regarding China when all the rest of us are constantly doing business with China every day? I'm not being difficult. I'm asking an honest question.
                  Hypocrisy runs rampant at all levels, rich poor or in between. Simply put, Americans want their stuff to be cheap. We could go on all day about free vs fair trade but when all is said and done we put the Mom & Pop shops out of business back in the late 80's early 90's so that we could buy our batteries in bulk at cheaper prices. Change batteries for any product and it is the same. American does exist but mostly just can not compete with bigger brand names that can be sold in bulk for cheaper because they are made elsewhere (not just china) with labor that is pennies on the dollar and regulations that are not held world wide.

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                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by owl View Post

                    I find this VERY hard to believe Beijing knew nothing about this bill. They heard about Morey and his tweet. They were behind the legislation. I heard it being discussed
                    as people in Hong Kong be extradited to China for their justice. That would be very bad as they can then take political enemies out of Hong Kong easily.

                    Not that they weren't aware of the bill, just that it wasn't at their instruction. The reason I think that is because it seems like an innocuous bill that was introduced in response to a legal situation. In the past, they have simply abducted people of interest; the infamous cases include the HK booksellers and a billionaire. Which is worse but did not cause as much outrage.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      Somebody help me here. Isn't the U.S. doing boatloads of business with China, and for a couple decades now? Don't almost all Americans buy TVs and phones made in China? Where is all the protesting for that? Why isn't Walmart being picketed and boycotted?

                      I'm not saying there should not be criticism for the NBA doing business with the Communists. But why are they all of the sudden being targeted? Are they supposed to suddenly become social justice warriors regarding China when all the rest of us are constantly doing business with China every day? I'm not being difficult. I'm asking an honest question.
                      They have been vocal social justice warriors for awhile now. There is a level of responsibility that comes with that.

                      From Popovich to Kerr to LeBron to etc., the biggest names in the NBA have been spouting off for years regarding political topics. Normally it all revolves around social justice issues. They've demonized the USA and they are giving China a pass, apparently because of the market potential. They know...and we've already seen this...that the Chinese will shut them down unlike our system.

                      So, in a nutshell it's just pure, unadulterated hypocrisy. They are free to say what they think. I support that. But if they are NOT consistent they will get criticism. Really, there's no place to hide unless the media covers for them and it appears the media isn't doing that.

                      Note: Typical businesses do not have faces like NBA people. Also, the viewpoints of say Steve Jobs (RIP) generally doesn't impact whether people buy an iPhone. It's different when the product is more closely associated with the person making the statements.
                      Last edited by BlueNGold; 10-16-2019, 10:13 PM.
                      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                        Why do all these sports people keep opening their mouth ?? Or pressing SEND ??

                        Haven't they learned from the past ?? NONE of these 'incidents' ever end up well. The offender will get vilified until another comes along. Rinse / repeat. Owners, office people, players, ball-boys (and girls), mascots - just do your job. And your job is to entertain. The only people that care about your 'opinions' are either minions that live and die with your every word (and therefore - have no opinion of their own) or people that want to rip you a new one. No matter what you say, no matter what side of the fence you fall on - there is always another group of people that are on the other side. It's a lose-lose situation. Keep your opinions with your friends, family, co-workers - that makes for discussion. Throwing stupid stuff out there for the world to see makes for - THIS.

                        Hate to say it (well, not really, but saying that makes IT OK) - just shut up and dribble. Yeah - that'd be great.
                        There is nothing wrong with people in sports having political opinions and expressing them in their free time on their personal platforms, which is what happened here. This isn't a kneeling situation where they were doing it on during a game or going out of their way in an interview to talk about it. He used his own personal Twitter account to make a comment. To be frank, I doubt anyone here would have known he ever posted anything if it wasn't for China making a big deal about it, even though Twitter is banned in China so it isn't like the Chinese people can see it anyways (at least not legally).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by owl View Post
                          I find this VERY hard to believe Beijing knew nothing about this bill. They heard about Morey and his tweet. They were behind the legislation. I heard it being discussed
                          as people in Hong Kong be extradited to China for their justice. That would be very bad as they can then take political enemies out of Hong Kong easily.
                          By the letter of the bill, legally China would not be able to extradite a political enemy. It required that the person commit a crime in China that can be punishable for, I think, 5 years in prison. On its surface it really isn't all that different than the extradition agreement the US has with Canada. The problem is trust, they do not trust China, nor should they.

                          This is several layers deep. To start out with China is corrupt. If you are visiting China, and **** off the wrong person, even if you didn't do anything illegal, you could find yourself serving prison time. (China has a 99% conviction rate) Then there is business corruption, where sometimes if you want to do business in mainland China there is a good chance you will be expected to do some bribery. This would increase the risk factor of Hong Kong businesses doing business with mainland China. Then finally you are getting down into the realm of political dissidents who could be wrongly accused of a crime by Chinese authorities in order to get them "legally" extradited to mainland China.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                            They have been vocal social justice warriors for awhile now. There is a level of responsibility that comes with that.

                            From Popovich to Kerr to LeBron to etc., the biggest names in the NBA have been spouting off for years regarding political topics. Normally it all revolves around social justice issues. They've demonized the USA and they are giving China a pass, apparently because of the market potential. They know...and we've already seen this...that the Chinese will shut them down unlike our system.

                            So, in a nutshell it's just pure, unadulterated hypocrisy. They are free to say what they think. I support that. But if they are NOT consistent they will get criticism. Really, there's no place to hide unless the media covers for them and it appears the media isn't doing that.

                            Note: Typical businesses do not have faces like NBA people. Also, the viewpoints of say Steve Jobs (RIP) generally doesn't impact whether people buy an iPhone. It's different when the product is more closely associated with the person making the statements.
                            I see it way more as being a lot more educated on domestic issues and therefor making more frequent, reasonable statements, while I can't imagine Pop or James know the ins and outs of the HK/China situation enough to even really talk about it.

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                            • #15
                              Let's not forget LeBron (almost certainly) pulled a Jussie Smollett back in 2017:

                              https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/l...cist-graffiti/

                              He's not a good person. He's not a smart person. He's hateful, and he's used that hatred to further divide America. His legacy should be forever tarnished, not just as a basketball player, but as a man.

                              As for Kerr, Popovitch, and the rest of the blowhards: are we still surprised that those who make the biggest show about how virtuous they are tend to be scum? We shouldn't be.

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