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  • Lance Stephenson is headed to China

    Chris Haynes

    @ChrisBHaynes

    1h
    Free agent guard Lance Stephenson has reached a one-year, $4 million agreement with Liaoning of the Chinese Basketball Association, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

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    Well I think it's safe to say that this is the end of the road for Lance's NBA career. I think when we look back at his career we can smile at some of his antics, shake our heads about some of his antics but in the end I think there has to be a slight disappointment about him.

    No matter what you thought about Lance the character, Lance the basketball player did have talent and sadly he had a ton of undeveloped talent. He never dedicated himself to being a better shooter, he never really grasped the entire concept of making a play that sets up the play (in other words not the assist but the pass that led to the assist).

    He was a valuable member of the team that went back to back to the ECF's and he had triple doubles before they were a common everyday occurrence.

    Fare thee well born ready. My only regret is not being able to watch BillS face whenever Lance plays again.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Chris Haynes

    @ChrisBHaynes

    1h
    Free agent guard Lance Stephenson has reached a one-year, $4 million agreement with Liaoning of the Chinese Basketball Association, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

    .................................................. ............

    Well I think it's safe to say that this is the end of the road for Lance's NBA career. I think when we look back at his career we can smile at some of his antics, shake our heads about some of his antics but in the end I think there has to be a slight disappointment about him.

    No matter what you thought about Lance the character, Lance the basketball player did have talent and sadly he had a ton of undeveloped talent. He never dedicated himself to being a better shooter, he never really grasped the entire concept of making a play that sets up the play (in other words not the assist but the pass that led to the assist).

    He was a valuable member of the team that went back to back to the ECF's and he had triple doubles before they were a common everyday occurrence.

    Fare thee well born ready. My only regret is not being able to watch BillS face whenever Lance plays again.
    yeah this ****ing sucks...hopefully he comes back when the Chinese season ends...

    i disagree about that he didn't try to improve his shooting...he shot 37 pct from deep last year

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    • #3
      The fact he was the starting SG on the team the last time we advanced past the first round should have been reason enough to bring him back for 4M. But he was also the guy who, after returning to the Pacers, lifted them into the playoffs.

      This is just a matter of Kevin Pritchard's ego getting in the way. Kevin claimed he wanted to retain Lance last summer only getting played by LeBron. Now Kevin doesn't have the humility to bring him back on board.
      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        The fact he was the starting SG on the team the last time we advanced past the first round should have been reason enough to bring him back for 4M. But he was also the guy who, after returning to the Pacers, lifted them into the playoffs.

        This is just a matter of Kevin Pritchard's ego getting in the way. Kevin claimed he wanted to retain Lance last summer only getting played by LeBron. Now Kevin doesn't have the humility to bring him back on board.
        Your views are warped when it comes to LS
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        • #5
          Originally posted by able View Post

          Your views are warped when it comes to LS
          Acting like Lance was the key to the whole team

          I like Lance, and he was super fun. But he's a back up or 5th starter at best and I think he kind of suffers by needing the ball to be at his best. I feel like the pool of those kind of guys is very top heavy, and if you have one of those guys, you need more specialists and role players than another ball dominant guy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
            The fact he was the starting SG on the team the last time we advanced past the first round should have been reason enough to bring him back for 4M. But he was also the guy who, after returning to the Pacers, lifted them into the playoffs.

            This is just a matter of Kevin Pritchard's ego getting in the way. Kevin claimed he wanted to retain Lance last summer only getting played by LeBron. Now Kevin doesn't have the humility to bring him back on board.
            What about the other 29 teams?

            Love Lance, but this has to be sarcasm, right?


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            • #7
              I really enjoyed Lance and wish him well. He always brought energy, if not smart basketball play. He seemed to like Indiana and the fans, and honestly did a pretty good job of keeping his head when Hibbert was losing his.
              Danger Zone

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              • #8
                many predicated that he would end up in China, prophecy fulfilled. He played his best ball here. I strongly feel he played his way out of the league, his childish mind never caught up to his immense talent. But history is full of those cases. However, he stayed in the league for several years, was an nab starter and at times, very valuable to the team. Even now, making 4 million is considered a huge success. He is still young and maybe another culture will polish his mind and character where he can come back. Lance will mostly be appreciated for what he did for my pacers

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                • #9
                  Itís a possibility that Lance may never play in the NBA again.

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                  • #10
                    I will never understand why Lance received so much love from some Pacers fans. I will never understand why many of the same fans who hate and despise other players who left the Pacers and yet Lance left the Pacers twice (To his own detriment) and he is still loved by many.



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                    • #11
                      So he turned down our 5-year $44 million contract ($8.8 annually) back in 2014, which would've made him an unrestricted free agent THIS SUMMER, to sign with Charlotte for 3 years $27 million ($9 million annually) with the 3rd year being a team option. That 3rd year of his deal ended up being declined so he ended up losing out on 3 years of stability + $26 million in guaranteed money. Along the way, rather than being settled down in Indy, he was traded from Charlotte to the Clippers 1 year later in the summer of 2015, 8 months later at the 2016 deadline traded to Memphis. In the summer of 2016 after his 3rd year was declined he went unsigned all the way up to September 2016 where he signed a non guaranteed contract with New Orleans, only to be waived 1.5 months later. 3 months later, Feb 2018, he signs with Minnesota on a 10-day deal. Lance injured his ankle during that 10-day and was let go. A month later Minnesota signed him to another 10-day deal. After those 10 days he was let go again. He signed with us that same season in March on a 2 year deal. In summer 2018 Pacers declined his option, in hopes to reworking a deal to bring him back. Lance was not interested, instead signing with LeBron and the Lakers. 1 season in LA later he's off to China.

                      So we did all we could for the guy. He screwed himself twice by leaving here. If he signs that contract in 2014 there's a chance we re-sign him again this summer and he's playing for 1 team making $$$ his entire career. Instead, he declines it, loses out on millions and has to travel from city to city to country every year. Idiot
                      Last edited by I Love P; 08-01-2019, 12:03 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Adios. Good luck.

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                        • #13
                          So many Stephenson haters. The same people who wanted to sign Tyreke Evans last season and thought it was a home run signing. "It was a good signing at the time". FOH.

                          Pacers need to retire Stephenson's jersey.

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                          • #14
                            He made a boneheaded move by not taking our great offer in 2014 and his career simply never recovered.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Chris Haynes

                              @ChrisBHaynes

                              1h
                              Free agent guard Lance Stephenson has reached a one-year, $4 million agreement with Liaoning of the Chinese Basketball Association, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

                              .................................................. ............

                              Well I think it's safe to say that this is the end of the road for Lance's NBA career. I think when we look back at his career we can smile at some of his antics, shake our heads about some of his antics but in the end I think there has to be a slight disappointment about him.

                              No matter what you thought about Lance the character, Lance the basketball player did have talent and sadly he had a ton of undeveloped talent. He never dedicated himself to being a better shooter, he never really grasped the entire concept of making a play that sets up the play (in other words not the assist but the pass that led to the assist).

                              He was a valuable member of the team that went back to back to the ECF's and he had triple doubles before they were a common everyday occurrence.

                              Fare thee well born ready. My only regret is not being able to watch BillS face whenever Lance plays again.
                              I have to agree on both counts.

                              Lance Stephenson was never a floor general type of Point Guard. He was more of a flashy Point Guard, a sort of throwback to the "Show Time NBA" where players like Magic Johnson made the no-look pass famous. Unfortunately for Lance, he plays in an era were being a floor general is more important because the shooter, not the playmaker, gets the glory.

                              Usually, not being picked up in the NBA and being relegated to playing overseas is a death nil to an NBA career, but there have been a few players who have come back from overseas to once gain play state-side. Then again, there have been players who once they went overseas thrived and became more famous abroad than they were on this side of the pond. Kenyon Martin, for example. So, all is not lost for Lance Stephenson. I suspect he'll do very well overseas, perhaps better than he did in the NBA.

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