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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Will there ever be a time when the NBA can get parity in attention let alone in field of play?

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  • #16
    No.

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    Lifelong pacers fan

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

      Thatís just the way the world is. Even in the NFL the Cowboys get talked about waaaaaaay more than theyíve deserved to over the last couple of decades. The Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs get talked about way more than the Cleveland Indians. Thatís life.

      The NBA has improved a lot in this department recently and itís not as bad as it was years back.

      The Raptors just won the title. The Warriors (before Durant) elevated themselves from obvlivion in the early to mid 2010ís. The Bucks, Nuggets, and Blazers are all relevant. The NBA has seen historically middling franchises have a lot of success recently.

      The Pacers have overall been one of the more successful franchises of the last 25 years and have received a far amount of attention in the process.
      Roy Hibbert would tell you differently.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BillS View Post

        That's nice to think, but as long as some franchises get attention merely by existing it will be hard for the Pacers to compete for attention even when they are winning. Without a perception that fans outside of Indiana want to watch the Pacers, there will be no national TV games. Without national TV games, pundits who vote for awards ignore Pacers players. I often think this is as much of an issue for FAs coming to Indiana ("go play for Indiana and drop off the award radar screen? Naaah.") as any of the other things we've talked about.
        Itís probably more true than any of us want to think. To quote Kyle Kuzma from last season ďI would rather play bad in l a and be talked about than to play good in Orlando and not be talked about at allĒ.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by BillS View Post

          That's nice to think, but as long as some franchises get attention merely by existing it will be hard for the Pacers to compete for attention even when they are winning. Without a perception that fans outside of Indiana want to watch the Pacers, there will be no national TV games. Without national TV games, pundits who vote for awards ignore Pacers players. I often think this is as much of an issue for FAs coming to Indiana ("go play for Indiana and drop off the award radar screen? Naaah.") as any of the other things we've talked about.
          Where is the evidence that players drop off the award radar screen? The Pacers have basically never had a MVP candidate (and Jermaine who finished 3rd was not even close to the 3rd best player in the league that year, so that is a point against that). They have had 1 defensive player of the year winner in the last 20 years and maybe 1 or 2 that had a chance to that finished just short. They have been way overrepresented in the most improved player category. They've never had a traditional 6th man winner type player. Who are all the players that should have won or gotten major consideration but didn't?

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          • #20
            The biggest thing that would change the attention would be to change the playoff format of the league. National media tends to cover teams that can win the title, certain star players that just make news, team drama, and big markets no matter how they are doing. The Pacers have occasionally been in the first category, but not that often. They rarely have the second category, and have only had 1 year of team drama in the last 10+ years.

            A big part of the reason more NFL teams get covered is because of 1 game playoffs. 16 teams have a 30 to 1 or better chance to win the tile in the NFL this year according to Vegas. In the NBA even in the most wide open year in a long time, that number is 9.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

              Roy Hibbert would tell you differently.
              And ironically, the Pacers started getting plenty of attention for the next year through their collapse.

              Pacers were a VERY talked about team entering the 13-14 season and their early season matchups against Miami were very hyped.

              Hibbert was right that the Pacers were under the radar before waxing NY, but that did change.

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              • #22
                The problem isn't that establish contenders aren't getting their fair share of attention. The problem is good teams that may not have established themselves as contenders yet do not get their fair share of attention. The 12-13 Pacers deserved just as much attention as the 13-14 squad got, but no one paid attention until the playoffs.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by owl View Post

                  Why do we not see the same thing then in the NFL? Jets , Rams etc...I will give you the Patriots but they just keep winning so there is that explanation plus BSPN
                  No idea. I don't watch the NFL so I can't judge.
                  People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
                  Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                  • #24
                    I think the few games, but many players per team will always make the NFL coverage more diverse. Which sucks, because I love basketball, but I do find football a little better to follow. I think any sports fan knows a guy or two, or a story or two from pretty much any NFL team.

                    While it would never happen, I wish there were NBA games on almost every night. Have the big weekend games, and Wednesday or whatever night, but then just random match-ups in between. The Suns suck, but it might be fun to see Booker light it up. I honestly didn't even realize Orlando had gotten pretty solid. Could be interesting to see if the Kings continue to improve. Teams like that will rarely if ever be on, and I wouldn't want to League Pass them, but it'd be fun to see them here & there.

                    All that said, no. It'll never be like the NFL, as much as I'd love it..

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                      I think the few games, but many players per team will always make the NFL coverage more diverse. Which sucks, because I love basketball, but I do find football a little better to follow. I think any sports fan knows a guy or two, or a story or two from pretty much any NFL team.

                      While it would never happen, I wish there were NBA games on almost every night. Have the big weekend games, and Wednesday or whatever night, but then just random match-ups in between. The Suns suck, but it might be fun to see Booker light it up. I honestly didn't even realize Orlando had gotten pretty solid. Could be interesting to see if the Kings continue to improve. Teams like that will rarely if ever be on, and I wouldn't want to League Pass them, but it'd be fun to see them here & there.

                      All that said, no. It'll never be like the NFL, as much as I'd love it..
                      Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the NFL games just more accessible on a weekly basis? Don't they have like 3 national televised games on Sunday, MNF, and some other day of the week? In the NBA, they basically televise the same teams on TNT and ESPN. If you only have basic TV, then you only see the games from the local team. Truthfully, it seems like the only way to see a wide variety of games is if you have NBALP and/or NBA TV. Like in my area, NBA TV is not even offered unless you have satellite services.


                      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                        I know that I can't watch Pacers games in Iowa anymore on NBALP. I was forced to bootleg NBA streams to watch Pacers games.
                        In Ames, I would watch the Pacers on FSMW until Baseball season started and then the Cards would over take. If by small chance they didn't have a game they would show the Pacers.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post

                          In Ames, I would watch the Pacers on FSMW until Baseball season started and then the Cards would over take. If by small chance they didn't have a game they would show the Pacers.
                          It's some "routing" issue that the local ISPs have in Cedar Rapids relative to NBALP's servers. For whatever reason, NBALP blacks out the Bulls (which is understandable due to WGN and the Chicago sports station), Wolves, and Pacers games. Before these past 3 years, the only games that were blacked out were the Bulls games. On the bright side, I guess I'm saving $130/season, but I LOVED the convenience of firing up the games on my X-Box and having access to the DVR features plus the other bonuses of the NBA app.
                          Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 07-22-2019, 10:26 AM.


                          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                            Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the NFL games just more accessible on a weekly basis? Don't they have like 3 national televised games on Sunday, MNF, and some other day of the week? In the NBA, they basically televise the same teams on TNT and ESPN. If you only have basic TV, then you only see the games from the local team. Truthfully, it seems like the only way to see a wide variety of games is if you have NBALP and/or NBA TV. Like in my area, NBA TV is not even offered unless you have satellite services.
                            On Sundays, yes. Thursday is NFLN and Monday is ESPN, so still semi-inaccessible.

                            ETA: and those more accessible games are the ones that are usually your local team followed by the weekly NFC East matchup...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

                              On Sundays, yes. Thursday is NFLN and Monday is ESPN, so still semi-inaccessible.

                              ETA: and those more accessible games are the ones that are usually your local team followed by the weekly NFC East matchup...
                              Gotcha. It just seems like the NFL exposes fans to different teams pretty regularly, plus the 13 game season just makes each individual game so important. In the NBA, you would swear it was only the Warriors, Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, (forgetting the other teams that dominated the TV schedule) that made up the NBA. I don't watch football, but I never feel like the NFL "forces" certain teams on the fans or casual viewers.


                              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                                Gotcha. It just seems like the NFL exposes fans to different teams pretty regularly, plus the 13 game season just makes each individual game so important. In the NBA, you would swear it was only the Warriors, Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, (forgetting the other teams that dominated the TV schedule) that made up the NBA. I don't watch football, but I never feel like the NFL "forces" certain teams on the fans or casual viewers.
                                Eh, not really to me. You're pretty much guaranteed to see the Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, or Eagles every single weekend. Plus, you get the local team, so 2/3 games at least are most likely going to be pretty similar.

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