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Will there ever be a time when the NBA can get parity in attention let alone in field of play?

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  • Will there ever be a time when the NBA can get parity in attention let alone in field of play?

    Llet me see if I can explain a little better here.

    Let me preface this by saying that I understand upfront that this is not a new issue and by no means is this exclusive to the NBA however it just seems worse there.

    This past season I've listened to both a lot of NBA radio and several NBA podcasts. I started early in the season and went all the way through the NBA draft and the one thing that constantly frustrated me about the podcasts and radio was that there was continual discussion of major market teams no matter their record, no matter their relevance and no matter what the topic was.

    I get that early on the Lakers were the story because of LeBron and then when everything collapsed that was a story as well. I can even get the talk about the Knicks during the draft because of the potential of getting Zion.

    But the absolute constant talking about the Knicks, Lakers, 76ers and Warriors is just tiresome. It's like no other NBA teams exist. BTW, this is not a cry for more Pacers talk. I understand that we had no real stories other than our record. Typically what I would here would be one of the talking heads say "we really probably should talk more about the Pacers" and everyone would sort of agree but then move right onto a story about something James Dolan has done.

    If you are 20 years old or younger the Knicks have never really been a relevant team in your lifetime. But with all of the podcasts and radio shows you would think that they have had the Warriors record over the past few years with the amount of coverage they get.

    I mean they are an inept team, I get that so that kind of is a story. But are they really much worse than the Wizards? At least NY had a plan last year the Wizards seem to be flying by the seat of their pants.

    I mean there were good story's last year that you never heard about. Orlando ended up having a decent season, but you would never know if it you listened to any of the shows. Portland gets talked about when the playoffs roll around but regular season? Not much more than us.

    I realize that the NY metro population is as much as most of the other NBA team city's combined, but is there a reason that they have to talk about them in each and every show? Hell the Nets are also in the NY area and they had a great season but again it was a great kept secret because none of the shows talked about them.

    I mean on occasion they will talk about Giannis or Leonard when he was up north but mostly the talk is all NY, LA & Philly.

    Is this just a symptom of trying to reach the masses or is there a way to change this.

    BTW for any of you that listen to NFL radio or podcast is it the same way or do they do a better job talking about all of the markets or do they focus on the Giants/Jets or whatever?



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    Well IMO, the small market ownership must take a stand for this to happen in the next CBA, and a lengthy holdout will be necessary. They have all the leverage, after all, and can easily break the players. These guys have a limited time and will eventually crack. I would personally be all for it. They must get a hard cap.

    And I dont wanna hear anyone say the NBA has always been like this so that's just the way it is. That's a cop out.

    The NFL is as popular as it is because they can drum up excitement for just about every team, every single year. How many teams are heading into training camp with realistic playoff expectations? Like 20-25 teams? Teams go wirst to first all the time. The Colts went from one of the worst teams in football to people talking about them as a potential dynasty in a single season. That's why they are such a juggernaut. The Colts get talked about all the time in the national media, and they never talk about markets.

    Otherwise, it's only a matter of time before the league destroys every small market franchise they have, which I fear is their ultimate goal. If they truly want to go global, taking a failing small market franchise and moving them to larger cities around the world might be a viable option for them someday. And that's my biggest fear because we are certainly one of those teams. The leagues success is not tied to the success of its franchises, it is completely separate. As long as the big markets are thriving and getting viewers, they will make money.

    You destroy the fanbases enthusiasm, then you point at the lack of it as an excuse to do what's ultimately best for you. They dont care about the fans in small markets at all.
    Last edited by Taterhead; 07-19-2019, 09:47 PM.
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    • #3
      One of the differences between the NBA and NFL is every NBA game is either aired locally or nationally, where as the NFL has games that are aired locally, regionally, or nationally. I believe these regional games can make a big difference in increasing the interest in smaller markets. This is something the NBA lacks. While the NBA may find it difficult convincing the networks to increase the number of nationally televised games, they might have a better chance if they can get games aired regionally.

      I think one way they could achieve this is to hijack Sunday afternoons and evenings once the NFL season is over. More or less just copy the NFL format almost verbatim.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        One of the differences between the NBA and NFL is every NBA game is either aired locally or nationally, where as the NFL has games that are aired locally, regionally, or nationally. I believe these regional games can make a big difference in increasing the interest in smaller markets. This is something the NBA lacks. While the NBA may find it difficult convincing the networks to increase the number of nationally televised games, they might have a better chance if they can get games aired regionally.

        I think one way they could achieve this is to hijack Sunday afternoons and evenings once the NFL season is over. More or less just copy the NFL format almost verbatim.
        Not trying to be argumentative, but I dont think that's entirely true.

        I think some small markets have tv deals that extend into other markets. I could be wrong.

        Dont the Pacers televise games in Kentucky on FS1?

        Maybe they could try and do more of it, but I believe it's being done at least on a small scale.

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          I think that on the court, at least, there is a lot more parity right now than there have been for the better part of the last decade. Definitely the most parity we've had since the start of the Warriors era.

          In attention, though, I don't think that we'll ever have any semblance of parity. The media is always going to talk about what sells and big markets sell the most and have the largest fanbases.
          People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

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            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
            One of the differences between the NBA and NFL is every NBA game is either aired locally or nationally, where as the NFL has games that are aired locally, regionally, or nationally. I believe these regional games can make a big difference in increasing the interest in smaller markets. This is something the NBA lacks. While the NBA may find it difficult convincing the networks to increase the number of nationally televised games, they might have a better chance if they can get games aired regionally.

            I think one way they could achieve this is to hijack Sunday afternoons and evenings once the NFL season is over. More or less just copy the NFL format almost verbatim.
            The biggest difference between the NBA and the NFL is that the NFL plays one game a week. We are an event culture, and every football game, from the pros to college to even high school in some areas, is an event. You can plan for it, discuss it, etc. The NBA has two events on it's calendar: The All Star game and the opening of free agency. The NBA will never catch football. Of course, the NFL is the worst major pro sports league to be in if you're a male professional athlete.

            One thing the NBA needs to do better is this: **** the Pacific time zone. There is no reason to start Eastern Conference Finals games at 8:30 Eastern. Those should start at 8:00 at the latest. And if no Pacific time zone team is in the Finals, they need to start Finals game at 8:00 eastern (the same is true of the NCAA championship game). Half of the country lives in the Eastern time zone, and the NBA needs to start catering to those fans.

            This can help with improving the NBA's popularity. As for the NFL, I always the feel the NFC East (Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles) get an inordinate amount of attention, much of it undeserved. But with one game a week, every team will get more coverage.

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            • #7
              As long as you have a good product or have an star worth watching people are going to talk about your team, people talk a lot about Atlanta because of Trae Young and Dallas because of Luka (they even have a song for him).

              Teams that are boring or don't have an star that's worth a damn to watch are not going to get any air time.
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              • #8
                Itís gotten better in recent years. The National tv dispersion has seemed reasonable lately. This is one thing that has seemed to improve under Silver. It seems to be better than six years ago when the Pacers couldnít even get a Christmas game even though they had just taken Miami to 7 games and had a budding young star in PG.

                The Warriors, Cavs, and Raptors have all won titles in recent years. Those were poor franchises for a while. Though to be fair, the Cavs success was 100% tied to Lebron. That franchise is an absolute pile of garbage if Lebron isnít on the roster. Yes the Warriors play in The Bay Area, but they were a poor franchise for many years and a total afterthought. You also have teams like the Bucks and Nuggets who are sitting pretty. The NBA can absolutely tout how many once-afterthought franchises are doing well right now. Yes the Sixers are a big market, but it took them a while to return to relevance after the Iverson era. Their success is good for the league.

                Basketball is always going to have more of a problem with parity than football because individual players can dominate a 5 on 5 game on both ends of the court. In football, however, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady canít play the other end of the field. Football requires a more balanced set of team building and requires many players to have an impact for a team to succeed, which is why there is more parity year to year.

                Yes the Pats have dominated for a while, but thatís becauee they have historic greatness. No one else will be able to dominate at that kind of level once the Brady-Belichick era finally ends.
                Last edited by Sollozzo; 07-20-2019, 10:42 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                  I think that on the court, at least, there is a lot more parity right now than there have been for the better part of the last decade. Definitely the most parity we've had since the start of the Warriors era.

                  In attention, though, I don't think that we'll ever have any semblance of parity. The media is always going to talk about what sells and big markets sell the most and have the largest fanbases.
                  Why do we not see the same thing then in the NFL? Jets , Rams etc...I will give you the Patriots but they just keep winning so there is that explanation plus BSPN
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                    Originally posted by Taterhead View Post

                    Not trying to be argumentative, but I dont think that's entirely true.

                    I think some small markets have tv deals that extend into other markets. I could be wrong.

                    Dont the Pacers televise games in Kentucky on FS1?

                    Maybe they could try and do more of it, but I believe it's being done at least on a small scale.
                    I know that I can't watch Pacers games in Iowa anymore on NBALP. I was forced to bootleg NBA streams to watch Pacers games.


                    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shags View Post

                      The biggest difference between the NBA and the NFL is that the NFL plays one game a week. We are an event culture, and every football game, from the pros to college to even high school in some areas, is an event. You can plan for it, discuss it, etc. The NBA has two events on it's calendar: The All Star game and the opening of free agency. The NBA will never catch football. Of course, the NFL is the worst major pro sports league to be in if you're a male professional athlete.

                      One thing the NBA needs to do better is this: **** the Pacific time zone. There is no reason to start Eastern Conference Finals games at 8:30 Eastern. Those should start at 8:00 at the latest. And if no Pacific time zone team is in the Finals, they need to start Finals game at 8:00 eastern (the same is true of the NCAA championship game). Half of the country lives in the Eastern time zone, and the NBA needs to start catering to those fans.
                      .
                      If the NBA could reduce game numbers and have like you said and have an NBA game day. Too many games
                      You would think the Pacific time zone rules everything.


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                      • #12
                        I listen to NBA radio everyday and all day. They discuss whatever is a good story. So at least to start this next season the Pels will get a lot of attention. Lennon always gets a lot of attention. Everything he does makes news. That is just the way it is. Doesnít mattter if Lebron played in Muncie. It would be big news no matter what.

                        I am just glad I can listen to NBA talk whenever I want so I love NBA radio whether they are talking about the Knocjs of the Pacers.

                        If if the pacers want attention they need to win that is the only way.

                        But it I have really learned and have accepted the fact that the pacers donít get a lot of attention. Although they have gotten high marks for the offseason

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                        • #13
                          Pacers got a ton of attention heading into that 13-14 season after bulldozing the Knicks and taking Miami to 7 in 13. Pacers got a lot of attention during the collapse in 2014. Pacers used to get a lot of attention in the Reggie era. If weíre good, weíll get plenty of attention. Gotta be able to get out of the first round though.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                            Pacers got a ton of attention heading into that 13-14 season after bulldozing the Knicks and taking Miami to 7 in 13. Pacers got a lot of attention during the collapse in 2014. Pacers used to get a lot of attention in the Reggie era. If weíre good, weíll get plenty of attention. Gotta be able to get out of the first round though.
                            That's nice to think, but as long as some franchises get attention merely by existing it will be hard for the Pacers to compete for attention even when they are winning. Without a perception that fans outside of Indiana want to watch the Pacers, there will be no national TV games. Without national TV games, pundits who vote for awards ignore Pacers players. I often think this is as much of an issue for FAs coming to Indiana ("go play for Indiana and drop off the award radar screen? Naaah.") as any of the other things we've talked about.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BillS View Post

                              That's nice to think, but as long as some franchises get attention merely by existing it will be hard for the Pacers to compete for attention even when they are winning. Without a perception that fans outside of Indiana want to watch the Pacers, there will be no national TV games. Without national TV games, pundits who vote for awards ignore Pacers players. I often think this is as much of an issue for FAs coming to Indiana ("go play for Indiana and drop off the award radar screen? Naaah.") as any of the other things we've talked about.
                              Thatís just the way the world is. Even in the NFL the Cowboys get talked about waaaaaaay more than theyíve deserved to over the last couple of decades. The Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs get talked about way more than the Cleveland Indians. Thatís life.

                              The NBA has improved a lot in this department recently and itís not as bad as it was years back.

                              The Raptors just won the title. The Warriors (before Durant) elevated themselves from obvlivion in the early to mid 2010ís. The Bucks, Nuggets, and Blazers are all relevant. The NBA has seen historically middling franchises have a lot of success recently.

                              The Pacers have overall been one of the more successful franchises of the last 25 years and have received a far amount of attention in the process.

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