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Kravitz: The Pacers are stuck in purgatory, and the NBA is to blame

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  • #31
    Pacers got criticized for drafting another big and J Michael who is supposed to be an independent "journalist" has been doing work this past few weeks defending the Pacers pick (did the same with Tyreke last year) and what he decided to write about? "I talked to a bunch of GM's and they told me what a home run that pick was"

    I wonder if they are paying them or just giving them access is enough for them to write PR piece after PR piece

    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      Pacers got criticized for drafting another big and J Michael who is supposed to be an independent "journalist" has been doing work this past few weeks defending the Pacers pick (did the same with Tyreke last year) and what he decided to write about? "I talked to a bunch of GM's and they told me what a home run that pick was"

      I wonder if they are paying them or just giving them access is enough for them to write PR piece after PR piece

      https://www.dailytarheel.com/article...ttle-draft-fit



      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • #34
        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Pacers got criticized for drafting another big and J Michael who is supposed to be an independent "journalist" has been doing work this past few weeks defending the Pacers pick (did the same with Tyreke last year) and what he decided to write about? "I talked to a bunch of GM's and they told me what a home run that pick was"

        I wonder if they are paying them or just giving them access is enough for them to write PR piece after PR piece

        A journalist asking league execs and scouts about a prospect he is unfamiliar with, sounds like journalism. What is he supposed to do, be like you and say, I never heard of him, means heís trash

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        • #35
          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
          People are attacking this article as an "excuse" or a "PR spin", but I can't see what the Pacers can do if they can't even get a meeting.
          The narrative doesn't deny that the Pacers can't get a meeting. The narrative just says that it has nothing to do with being a small market - it has to do with the Pacers owner being cheap, the city and the team treating players badly, and KP not being competent to make top players think the FO will net them good supporting talent.
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #36
            Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

            A journalist asking league execs and scouts about a prospect he is unfamiliar with, sounds like journalism. What is he supposed to do, be like you and say, I never heard of him, means heís trash
            He's supposed to ask V, who has never been wrong about a player. Goga is already trash and he hasn't played a minute in the NBA. Book it.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #37
              J Michael calls a GM" hey Mr GM what do you think about Goga?"


              GM: "I think it was OK" (like the GM is going to say he is trash or something)


              J Michael's article: "I spoke to multiple GM's and they all agree Pacers hit a home run"
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #38
                Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                i mean, maybe, then again the ECF was Milwaukee-Toronto
                Then again, they couldn't keep Kawhi and there is probably a solid chance Giannis leaves.
                "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                • #39
                  Originally posted by BillS View Post

                  The narrative doesn't deny that the Pacers can't get a meeting. The narrative just says that it has nothing to do with being a small market - it has to do with the Pacers owner being cheap, the city and the team treating players badly, and KP not being competent to make top players think the FO will net them good supporting talent.
                  To be fair, there are many others who think like V.

                  In my mind, we have 35+ years of history to backup that Indiana is not a free agent destination for whatever reason. Not to pull the race card, but sometimes I see it simply as...what does Indiana offer a young, black athlete? Hell, we can't get even players who were born and raised in Indiana. At some point, fans just have to accept that this the reality of the Pacers while ALSO accepting the reality that the FO will never do a tanking job. It doesn't help that Indiana probably did the most perceived lopsided trade in NBA history with Hill/KL situation, so that outcome is fueling this "hate" of the FO and belief that they're only happy with making the playoffs. As I stated before, for Simon to get on the phone in order to get Malcolm Brogdon kinda implies that the free agency market was not kind to Indiana when trying to get an impact player.


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                  • #40
                    Damn, Vnzla was right about Tyreke? If only Jmichael would listen to you! Have you shared your opinion on Monta Ellis yet?

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                    • #41
                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      J Michael calls a GM" hey Mr GM what do you think about Goga?"


                      GM: "I think it was OK" (like the GM is going to say he is trash or something)


                      J Michael's article: "I spoke to multiple GM's and they all agree Pacers hit a home run"
                      OK, I'll play along.

                      What do you want the articles to focus on instead?

                      Being critical of the FO and Pritchard? If so, how?

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                      • #42
                        Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                        Damn, Vnzla was right about Tyreke? If only Jmichael would listen to you! Have you shared your opinion on Monta Ellis yet?
                        Oh no a joke from 2017 you got me
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #43
                          Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                          OK, I'll play along.

                          What do you want the articles to focus on instead?

                          Being critical of the FO and Pritchard? If so, how?
                          I want them to be what they are supposed to be "journalists" if I want PR bs I am typing pacers.com and I'm reading one of Mark Monthieth or whoever they have writing articles for them at this point.


                          Do I want them to be 100% critical? no really, but how about writing an article about the subsidies? or an article talking about they screwed up the off season so bad they ended up signing a crack head?

                          This same guys have more energy to criticize the Colts than the Pacers it's very obvious something is going on.
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                          • #44
                            Did the Pacers not just sign their biggest free agent in their history?

                            I canít even read this drivel. The super team era is over. Durant left Golden State and Kawhi opted not to join 2 stars with the Lakers. Competitive balance looks as good as it has in awhile.

                            I like sports as a fun distraction, so the excessive whining and constant negativity that is ingrained in the culture of sports (at least from a media and fan perspective) is completely baffling to me.

                            "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                            - ilive4sports

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                            • #45
                              I hate whenever anyone uses the San Antonio Spurs as an example of how a small market team can compete. Not unlike the Sam Hinkey 76ers the Spurs cheated and blatantly tanked the one year that David Robinson was out for a season and were able to draft a once in a generation player to go along with another top 50 of all time players and then surround them with solid role players. The Pacers have never once in our NBA career had a player the caliber of David Robinson let alone Tim Duncan.

                              As to the meat of this article I agree with it.

                              Now what I'm going to say next is going to be somewhat critical but I want it known up front that in no way am I criticizing the Pacers off season this year, I'm absolutely not and am thrilled beyond belief with how this off season has played out.

                              That being said the only thing that I can see where all of this cap space helped us was in being able to take in T.J. Warren. Which is no small thing, but I would hardly call the end of a three year cycle where we were lining up all of this cap availability the bringing in of a player another team actually paid you to take a rousing success.

                              Brogdon will go down as a trade.

                              Again KP did great work this off season, we are IMO headed in the right direction. But like Kravitz alludes, we really are just headed in the direction to be one of the better teams in the East maybe by the end of this season or by next season. Nothing we have done most likely will make us a title contender. Victor is a great player and is our best player but I'm sorry he is not in the James, Leonard, Durrant, etc. caliber. I'm not even really certain he is in the George, Harden, Lillard, etc. second tier catagory.

                              That in a nutshell really is the Indiana Pacers history in the NBA. We never really truly have had a superstar on our team. One where you can throw the ball to and say "go win the game". Our best NBA players have been Reggie, Jermaine & Paul.

                              Again this is something that I've never blamed the front office for. I know our limitations based on geography. Now I do freely admit to starting to question some of that this off season because of things Bird said, things Zach Lowe and Brian Wyndhorst said and frankly some things that KP said. But as it stands I still firmly believe we suffer from the most unique of NBA issues (small market stigma).

                              Also truth be told the only team that has been able over the years to garner superstars has been the Lakers and the only reason it is the Lakers is because of Los Angeles. Remember Sterling owned the Clippers for a long time or they could have done the same thing. In other words if the Atlanta Hawks back in the 50's move to L.A. the Los Angeles Hawks would have 17 titles and all the stars and glitz simply because it is LA. Remember its not just free agents that go there, players have forced trades there from as far back as Kareem through Koby and now Anthony Davis.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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