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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Kravitz: The Pacers are stuck in purgatory, and the NBA is to blame

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  • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    I mean instead of calling me names how about you prove that what I'm saying is wrong?
    "Prove how I'm mindlessly assuming top tier FAs would love to play in Indy, but we never want to pay them." While mindlessly ignoring the fact that all top tier FAs either re-signed with their teams or signed in big markets. The proof is in the pudding.

    Top tier FAs the last three seasons:

    2017:

    Curry - resigned.
    Griffin - resigned.
    Holiday - resigned.
    Hayward - Boston
    Lowry - resigned

    2018:

    Paul - resigned
    LBJ - Lakers
    Jokich - resigned
    George - resigned
    Durant - resigned


    2019:

    Leonard/George - Clippers
    Davis - Forced his way to Lakers.
    Durant/Irving - Brooklyn
    Thompson - resigned
    Harris - resigned
    Porzingis - resigned
    Butler - Miami
    Walker - Boston
    Russell - GSW

    It's like you enjoy being wrong on this. Because... you are. The top tier FAs are either resigning, forcing their hands to play alongside other stars(typically in big markets), or to be "the guy" in a big market. Pointing the blame at Indiana and acting like guys are willing to play here, but we're just not willing to pay is ignorant and flat out wrong. The best we can hope for is for our guys to start going from really good to All-Star Caliber and we won't have to rely on All-Stars signing here OR hope that Oladipo takes another step, makes friends along the way, and they force their hands to be traded here.
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    • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      Harris in a Pacers uniform is an all star, s*** he was an all star with the Clippers, acting like he is Tyreke Evans is disingenuous specially coming from those that keep telling us how Pacers can't even get a call.

      An all star caliber player was willing to talk to Pacers and was ok with coming to Indy.
      You know....you could have said that Indiana was stupid for not signing him for the max and/or contacting him instead of taking the stance that you did. Thread would have been way shorter.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Harris in a Pacers uniform is an all star, s*** he was an all star with the Clippers, acting like he is Tyreke Evans is disingenuous specially coming from those that keep telling us how Pacers can't even get a call.

        An all star caliber player was willing to talk to Pacers and was ok with coming to Indy.
        It was rumored he had interest in the Pacers. Which I don't believe for one second because he also came out and said he wants to play for a team that pushes the pace and scores a ton of points - nothing which the Pacers do.
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        • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

          Did the meeting happen? Yes or no.
          Nope. The Pacers also didn't meet with me, but if they would have called my agent they could have.

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            • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

              Harris in a Pacers uniform is an all star, s*** he was an all star with the Clippers, acting like he is Tyreke Evans is disingenuous specially coming from those that keep telling us how Pacers can't even get a call.

              An all star caliber player was willing to talk to Pacers and was ok with coming to Indy.
            • Excuse me when was Tobias Harris ever an NBA All Star, he was never named to an All Star team, thus never an All Star
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            • Originally posted by Drew46229 View Post

              What mechanism would you have liked the Pacers to employ to retain BB? His cap hold was $13M, the Pacers Early Bird rights allowed them to pay up to $18.25M (what he signed for with Utah) per season without eating in to additional cap space. The Pacers could not have acquired some of the other pieces with Bojan's cap hold on the books. Likely choosing between him and TJ Warren and #32 in the 2019 draft. I suppose it's equally possible the Pacers could have still traded for Warren and the pick and signed Bogdanovic but missed out on Jeremy Lamb. There's no world in which the Pacers enter the 2019-20 NBA season with everyone they have now AND Bojan Bogdanovic. A reasonable case can be made for choosing BB over either Warren or Lamb, but given that Warren's production is in-line with Bogie's and he's younger and came with a draft pick I'd have chosen him too. Jeremy Lamb also fits the Pacers time line better than a 30 year old making $18+M a season.
              We would have had to move McDermott, but it could've been done. I just feel like the team looks for every excuse to save a buck.
              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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              • This is a really pathetic column. Typical for Kravitz who’s been mailing it in since 2005.

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                • I actually do believe that Tobias Harris rumor of him being interested in the Pacers. Good friends with Victor if I recall, and we are in this new era where guys want to play with their friends. however adding a $40 million salary in free agency when you are team operating under the cap Is very hard to do. Once the Pacers are able to extend Sabonis they will be way over the cap. Which will allow them to then package a player like lamb/ warren and Sabonis or Turner in a trade for a player like Bradley Beal. That’s essential the only way the Pacers can add another max level player.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • Originally posted by Wage View Post

                    Ok, but did you read the original post that said we can't even get a meeting with a guy like Tobias Harris? I'm no NBA scout but Tobias Harris is A LOT like Tobias Harris.
                    No, I did not, but I think we can both agree that the two of them are eerily similar.
                    Danger Zone

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                    • Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post

                      So you knew who Kawhi was?
                      Sure but I am and was a pretty big college basketball fan. Anybody that says they knew Kawhi was going to be an all-star is likely stretching the truth but it was pretty clear he was an NBA player that would translate well on the defensive end and on the boards. Definitely were questions offensively. Particularly around his ability score efficiently from the perimeter......

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                      • Originally posted by Downtown Bang! View Post

                        Sure but I am and was a pretty big college basketball fan. Anybody that says they knew Kawhi was going to be an all-star is likely stretching the truth but it was pretty clear he was an NBA player that would translate well on the defensive end and on the boards. Definitely were questions offensively. Particularly around his ability score efficiently from the perimeter......
                        Oh...so his game was similar to Gerald Wallace?


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                        • Originally posted by Ryan View Post
                          This is a really pathetic column. Typical for Kravitz who’s been mailing it in since 2005.
                          And he may have a little internal motivation since WTHR canned him a while back. He's just a hack now for the Athletic and may hold a bit of a grudge towards the entire city.

                          Grain of salt . . . .

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                          • Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                            And he may have a little internal motivation since WTHR canned him a while back. He's just a hack now for the Athletic and may hold a bit of a grudge towards the entire city.

                            Grain of salt . . . .
                            So he has a grudge against the city but is a shill for pro-Pacers propaganda? Is this supposed to mean that being pro-Pacers is an anti-Indianapolis agenda?
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

                              Oh...so his game was similar to Gerald Wallace?
                              Gerald Wallace is a pretty good call. I think most NBA team saw him as a "tweener" forward with some potential to be more. Maybe San Antonio truly thought he could develop the ball skills and perimeter game he did or maybe they just liked him for what they were confident would translate and got lucky.....

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                              • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post

                                We would have had to move McDermott, but it could've been done. I just feel like the team looks for every excuse to save a buck.
                                I get where you're coming from, but there wouldn't be any additional dollars spent moving McDermott to use his salary elsewhere. I know your perception of the team influences the conversation here, but I don't think there was a way for the Pacers to spend more money this offseason aside from maybe using the last $5M or whatever in space plus the $4.8M or whatever room midlevel exception. Now if the Pacers cheap out when it comes time to pay Domas next year and/or don't spend the full non-taxpayer MLE (~$10M) I could see complaining, but the only player the Pacers could have exceeded the cap for this offseason was Thad and as much as I liked him here I'm glad they didn't keep his $21M cap hold and/or exceed that in a new deal for him.

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