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Sabonis at the Four: What are your expectations?

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  • docpaul
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    In more optimistic news, I am amped to see Oladipo / Brogdon defensive looks. It might end up being one of our best defensive backcourts ever. Look closely at Brogdon's film and statistics, and it's easy to get excited about what those two will do together.

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  • docpaul
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    I'm fingers crossed, in a big way, that they work out.

    To be honest, I don't think there's a big window of time to figure it out: I'd be surprised if he signs an extension before the season starts. I think they'll want to pay him as a 5/6 man, and he likely thinks his upside is higher.

    If he demonstrates cohesion with Turner, it's a done deal... they'll pay him. He'll want 20/year.

    Especially with Warren as his partner, I think it's up to Sabonis to demonstrate he can guard the perimeter immediately, or we're going to get crushed on defense at the start of the year.

    Sabonis will be another Turner-like unusual unicorn if he can be both a bull under the post offensively, and guard the perimeter effectively.

    The really hard thing to say is that Sabonis is not particularly good at post defense either, at least from my eye test.

    We are going to start the season minus on defense because we have no Oladipo, and Warren is going to get some burn. This puts pressure on Sabonis to figure it out quickly, especially if he's going to get 18-20m/year.

    OTOH, he is ELITE as a post offensive player. He is also elite as a big facilitator, and a board muncher. It's still a toss up for me as to whether he's a league leading 6th man, or a true starter. It's going to be up to him, to be honest.

    He has to demonstrate defensive mastery somewhere on the floor to get there.

    If he doesn't get it done, look for the Pacers to go for someone like Aaron Gordon, who seems like a more obvious partner to Turner.
    Last edited by docpaul; 07-14-2019, 05:52 PM.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
    Is there any chance Oladipo is ready by opening day?

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  • sav
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    Sabonis and Turner will work well together. Everyone is basing their opinions on last season (by the way, they were fairly effective together) and not taking into consideration their summers.

    I think the coaches gave Myles and Domas a list of stuff to work on so they can play together. Both guys are very hard workers. I think they are both working their butts off and will greatly improve the areas that they need to in order to succeed.

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  • Motion Offense
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    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

    Playing against guys more his size may actually help him avoid foul trouble. There's really only a handful of guys that'll be able to blow by him and most of those guys will get killed in the paint on the offensive end.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/depth

    edit: Is Utah really talking about starting Bogey at the 4? I don't think that'll last long.
    Teams will put the center on Sabonis and the smaller 4 on Myles. If Myles post ups then he gets double because Sabonis isnít that much of a threat outside the paint unless he gets a consistent jumpshot

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  • BornIndy
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    So happy the twin towers will be making their full time debut. It's going to work. Why does Oladipo have to be injured?!

    Is there any chance Oladipo is ready by opening day?

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  • Eleazar
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    Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
    Minor thing, but he actually averaged 4.2 assists per 36, the 5.6 is per 100 possessions.
    Good catch so his assists went up when he played with better scorers.

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  • BobbyMac
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    I expect Sabonis to play the post on offense, and Turner to play the post on defense. Perhaps on defense they'll play a 3 2 zone with Domas and Myles down low. It will be interesting. Just hope Sabonis plays better next season than he did during the playoffs last year.

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  • TheDavisBrothers
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    Minor thing, but he actually averaged 4.2 assists per 36, the 5.6 is per 100 possessions.

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  • Eleazar
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    Originally posted by bumpercar3 View Post

    Per 36 has to be taken with a grain of salt. You are less fatigued and playing mainly against weak competition in the East. This experiment needs to happen. Fans need to be shown that it canít work against real competition. Again, it will work against the hornets, Cavs, pistons, bulls, Thunder, etc.... it will not work against the Rockets, Spurs, Clippers, Celtics, Raptors, Lakers, etc... Those that want it to work will site the numbers vs tankers. Those that understand this is another gimmick will simply watch Sabonis not close when we play real teams.
    Ok let's look at his stats while he is starting.

    In 31mpg as a starter he averaged 18.4ppg, 11.6rpg, and 4.4apg. That is about right on track with his per 36 numbers. I expect he'll average about what his per36 numbers last year were as a starter this year playing around 30-32 minutes, with maybe slightly fewer rebounds since he'll be playing next to Turner instead of whoever McMillian decided to fill in the backup 4 position that night.

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  • jrwannabe
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    Originally posted by Pacerized View Post

    I'm hoping for 32 mpg for Sabonis which is a 33% increase in playing time. Sabonis is at 9.3 boards now and 14.1 ppg. Do you think his numbers will go down with an additional 8 mpg?
    If he can get 32 minutes a game, I see his average staying about the same. But I see him getting about the same minutes as last year due to foul trouble. And since he will be facing starters and playing with starters, I see his point average falling but rebounds will stay close to the same. 12/9 as a starter

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  • Pacerized
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    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

    Yeah. He's not going to be as much of a focus on offense as a starter as he was as a bench player. He'll be going against better defenders and he'll have better offensive players around him.

    Still say the 6th man role is the best for him.
    Sabonis should be the focus of our offense while Vic is out. Get the ball to Sabonis and if he's pressured he's a great passer who will make teams pay whether he scores or finds the open mad.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
    Do you think his numbers will go down with an additional 8 mpg?
    Yeah. He's not going to be as much of a focus on offense as a starter as he was as a bench player. He'll be going against better defenders and he'll have better offensive players around him.

    Still say the 6th man role is the best for him.

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  • Pacerized
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    Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
    I don't think it'll work but as of right now he's our best option. Other than Alize, we don't have a PF that is a defensive threat (and even right now that's questionable). Our PF options are all solid offensively. I hope it works cause I love Sabo's game but pessimistic that it will. Truly think foul trouble will get him.
    I'm hoping for 32 mpg for Sabonis which is a 33% increase in playing time. Sabonis is at 9.3 boards now and 14.1 ppg. Do you think his numbers will go down with an additional 8 mpg?

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  • vnzla81
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    Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
    It not to work out because quicker 4s just destroy him on defense and McMillan can't find the right way to use him offense, they put him on the bench after going 10-15 to start and start Warren at the 4 which along with Oladipo returning gives us a nice run of wins and Sabonis excels as the backup center, then instead of trading Sabonis for a young wing and a pick, we use this momentum to get the 6 seed where we get swept by the Celtics again and Sabonis walks in the offseason after getting a 4 year 80 million dollar deal from the Raptors. Also McMillan gets another coaching extension for some reason.
    Yeah my prediction is very similar but I think they are going to destroy his value so much they are gonna have to trade him for a bag of Cheetos and call it a day, donít forget Sabo is on record wanting to start pretty much telling Pacers ďstart me or trade meĒ.

    They will panic and sign some PF free agent that has been bought out or something like that.

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