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Are the Indiana Pacers the NBA version of America’s Team?

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    Are the Indiana Pacers the NBA’s version of America’s Team?

    Sometimes you just have to credit people for staying with it. Your dad may not have ever been a rich man or had the plushest job in the world, but regardless he kept at it. Day in and day out, he went into work and took care of the necessities to provide for you and the family. That man reminds me a lot of the Indiana Pacers over the years.

    Though they’ve had great players and competed for titles in the past, the Pacers have more often, especially as of late, just been one of those pretty good teams. Aside from giving Lebron and the Heat a run for their money in the conference finals, the team has largely been average. Dating back to the time they traded the Kawhi Leonard pick for George Hill, there have definitely been some questionable choices made, but overall the front office decisions have been solid.


    Allow me to get sidetracked for just a moment and let’s imagine a team with both Kawhi and Paul George…but anyway. Having previously used the 10th pick to get a player of almost the same caliber of Leonard, the team was nevertheless still in a good position for the future. They put veterans and rebounding around PG as he grew in the league, though questions did remain. What was he? A true small forward? A shooting guard?

    There were even talks at one point by Bird of playing Paul at power forward which was…definitely an idea…? He eventually settled into his natural place as a versatile wing ball-handler who can defend four positions adequately, shoot the lights out, take you off the dribble, and be smooth as butter while doing so.

    As much as the front office thought they were trying though they never did enough to properly surround PG with the right talent. Though the east has really been a monopolistic entity the entire tenure of LeBron’s past 10 years, so can you truly blame them? I think the Pacers were just simply being too laissez-faire about the fact that they had a star on their hands. Maybe the fact that he was young moved them to be patient or something, but PG13 has been a championship level player since he fully returned from that injury. Ultimately this leads to the disgruntlement of Paul and instead of getting nothing in return, the team decides to get something back for him.

    This trade for Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis was a very shrewd move by them and is one of the better, almost mutually, trades in recent memory. The Thunder had just lost their first love, and that isn’t a team wanting to rebuild, so Russell Westbrook needed a partner and he got it. While risky due to the chance of him not resigning, it worked out for them.

    The Pacers, on the other hand, obtained two undervalued and underutilized players in return. First of all, the fact that Oladipo even ended up on the Thunder is just a glimpse at the Magic front office for you, but that’s aside from the point. During his time in OKC Oladipo was playing to his weaknesses. He’s not Klay, he’s not an off ball shooting guard. He’s a combo guard that makes the most of his skills with the ball in his hands and a pass-first point beside him.

    In Oklahoma City, the offense was dominated by Westbrook and him giving Dipo the leftovers. Not ideal. Sabonis, on the other hand, was firstly a rookie but also underutilized as well. Basically used as a catch and shoot or secondary layup option, he never got to really show what he could do. With the Pacers, they’ve allowed him to come off the bench and be one of the primary scorers of the team and especially the second unit, though I believe he should start next year.

    In both of those players, Myles Turner, and a couple of other young guards, I think the Pacers did the best job possible in terms of recovering from losing George. Not only is it a decent free agent destination, but they have other surrounding pieces to match with new players who also happen to be young. They aren’t strapped for the cap, although they will have to pay Turner and Sabonis soon, and they have time to build further.

    Ultimately they’re even better than last season and I think it’s pretty clear they intend to contend for years to come. With signings of a great combo guard in Malcolm Brogdon, a versatile wing with Jeremy lamb, and trading barely anything to acquire T.J. Warren. I love all three signings, but the one I’m most excited about is the latter. People seem to discredit him for the team he was on, but he’s become a walking 15/8 with a 40 percent shooting clip from deep. Don’t sleep, these can more than makeup for the team losing Darren Collison (to retirement) and Thaddeus Young (in free agency).

    I think the Indiana Pacers will continue to be a perennial top 6 seed in the Eastern Conference and likely host an ECF within the next 4. Until then though they’ll remain a fun watch and respectable opponent. They’ll be one of those teams that simply keeps at it, which perfectly embodies the mindset of the state of Indiana and their loyal fans.

    Cue Vnzla in 4..3...2...1...
    Are the Indiana Pacers the NBA's version of America's Team? Before you laugh us out, hear us out. We explore that narrative.

  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
    Bogey gives you almost nothing in the way of rim protection. . . .
    Come on - he had a block last year.

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  • CJ Jones
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    Originally posted by Ryan View Post
    The Nets couldn’t give Bogie away until the Wizards swooped it. Indiana’s system and VO going down got Bogie that contract,

    Great shooter. Terrible defender. Not a playmaker. Good player but he’s ordinary in the wrong system. I remember the year he spent with Washington, Boston literally attacked him every single trip down court until he got removed the game. Likely happened this year too at times but I was so disgusted with our roster shut* most games off at half.
    His defense is another thing overrated here and around the league now. He looked McDermott-esque defensively the 2nd half of the season after taking on more of the offensive load. I guess he's still living on the ok defense he played against LeBron during the playoffs in 18'.

    I think Utah's system is probably as good a fit for him as any with all those playmakers and maybe the best defensive player in the league, but if they put him at PF they are setting him up for failure. Bogey gives you almost nothing in the way of rim protection and rebounding.

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  • naptownmenace
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    Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post

    Utah will be at least top 3 seed next year I think
    I think the Blazers, Clippers, and Nuggets will be the top 3 with the Jazz battling the Lakers and Rockets for 4th. You can't over look the chemistry of the Blazers, Nuggets, and even the Clippers. The Clips are basically just adding PG and Kawhi to an already competitive and selfless team.

    I like Bogey a lot and I wished they could've kept him but I think he and TJ Warren are basically a push. Brogdon is a big upgrade over Collison and Jeremy Lamb is better than Wesley Matthews and Tyreke Evans.

    As far as the article in the original post, it made very little sense. It started off comparing the team to a hardworking Dad of a Midwesterner and then quickly abandoned that comparison. It's like we got the setup but the punchline was never delivered. No, the Pacers aren't America's team because America is way too diverse. The Pacers are more like the American Agricultural & Economics Association Team. They even have the slogan for it: "We grow basketball here!"
    Last edited by naptownmenace; 07-15-2019, 01:39 PM.

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  • Ryan
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    The Nets couldn’t give Bogie away until the Wizards swooped it. Indiana’s system and VO going down got Bogie that contract,

    Great shooter. Terrible defender. Not a playmaker. Good player but he’s ordinary in the wrong system. I remember the year he spent with Washington, Boston literally attacked him every single trip down court until he got removed the game. Likely happened this year too at times but I was so disgusted with our roster shut* most games off at half.

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  • CJ Jones
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    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

    Ummmmm...he did much more than that once VO went down. He earned his contract, but we got a nice pick-up in TJ Warren. Not a big deal.
    He was more productive but he wasn’t out there creating his own offense off the dribble. He can attack bigs if they switch on to him but that’s about it. You’re not isolating him on wing defenders or asking him to create offense in pick and roll situations. That’s what I think of when I hear shot creator.

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  • ksuttonjr76
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    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
    I love Bogey but dude is highly overrated on this board and around the league. For the money I’d probably take him over Middleton because I’m not high on Middleton, but he’s clearly a better all around player than Bogey. I keep hearing these talking heads claim Bogey creates his own offense now and I just have to smh. Dude has a step back jumper that’s about the extent of his shot creation. I wish him well in Utah, but I’m very happy we chose not to match that contract.
    Ummmmm...he did much more than that once VO went down. He earned his contract, but we got a nice pick-up in TJ Warren. Not a big deal.

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  • BlueNGold
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    Here is a great story on Brogdon.

    https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...rs-acc-preview
    Source: Sports Illustrated
    Author: David Gardner

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  • CJ Jones
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    I love Bogey but dude is highly overrated on this board and around the league. For the money I’d probably take him over Middleton because I’m not high on Middleton, but he’s clearly a better all around player than Bogey. I keep hearing these talking heads claim Bogey creates his own offense now and I just have to smh. Dude has a step back jumper that’s about the extent of his shot creation. I wish him well in Utah, but I’m very happy we chose not to match that contract.

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  • BlueCollarColts
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    Middleton disappeared in the playoffs too much for my liking, it was easy to shut him down as well, Bogdanovic on the other hand did ok as the only guy that could score and create vs Boston.


    My prediction is Milwaukee is going to regret giving Middleton all that money.
    Bogdanovic wasn’t great at creating in the playoffs though. He shot sub 40% from the field and was significantly less efficient than Middleton was, who you’re saying was bad. The only advantage Bojan had over Middleton was points per game, even though he took more shots and was less efficient. I’m not saying Middleton is worth twice the amount of money Bojan is, but I would easily take Middleton over Bojan if the prices were the same.
    Last edited by BlueCollarColts; 07-13-2019, 04:48 PM.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    My prediction is Milwaukee is going to regret giving Middleton all that money.
    That's a pretty safe statement.

    Seriously - out of all the max contracts that have been given out, how many of them have lived up to the deal - for the length of the deal ?? I'd be interested to see some sort of breakdown of that. I'd guess half if them are mistakes.

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  • vnzla81
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    Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

    Would you care to explain why? For example, I could stress Middelton's advantages in passing, rebounding, and defense as why he was a little better, but I would like to figure out why you think Bogdanovic had such a clear advantage. The main thing Bojan did better was being a more efficient shooter, but that is not something you tend to value that highly so I am a little perplexed. Is it because of teammates?
    Middleton disappeared in the playoffs too much for my liking, it was easy to shut him down as well, Bogdanovic on the other hand did ok as the only guy that could score and create vs Boston.


    My prediction is Milwaukee is going to regret giving Middleton all that money.

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  • BlueCollarColts
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    Nah Middleton was trash during the playoffs, replace him with Bogdanovic and Bucks are making it to the finals.
    Bogdanovic’s main value as a player was his efficiency which also tanked in the playoffs.

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  • Cubs231721
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    He was better than both of them and I don't think it was even close.
    Would you care to explain why? For example, I could stress Middelton's advantages in passing, rebounding, and defense as why he was a little better, but I would like to figure out why you think Bogdanovic had such a clear advantage. The main thing Bojan did better was being a more efficient shooter, but that is not something you tend to value that highly so I am a little perplexed. Is it because of teammates?

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  • vnzla81
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    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
    Bogdanovic was more efficient but I don’t think he’s even close to the playmaker that Middleton is.
    Nah Middleton was trash during the playoffs, replace him with Bogdanovic and Bucks are making it to the finals.

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