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An epic day for the franchise - Malcolm Brogdon intro press conference

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  • An epic day for the franchise - Malcolm Brogdon intro press conference

    https://www.facebook.com/pacers/videos/348539039157117/
    Wow! I'm blown away by this guy. This is a must watch.
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 07-08-2019, 12:56 PM.

  • CJ Jones
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    Checked out Brogdon's combine measurements after seeing him palm that ball and the dude has some massive meat hooks for any position, let alone a guard. He tied for 2nd in his draft class with 2 centers, Poeltl and Swanigan. That probably explains why he can sneaky dunk on people with either hand even though he's just an average leaper.

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  • youOk
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    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
    Brogdon’’’s defense against speedy point guards will be something to watch. Oladipo should be able to handle them when he’s healthy.
    I care more about his ball handling and ability to lead an offense even if he struggles with quick point guards. That's literally who Oladipo would always switch on so I'm less concerned.

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  • BlueCollarColts
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    Brogdon’s defense against speedy point guards will be something to watch. Oladipo should be able to handle them when he’s healthy.
    Last edited by BlueCollarColts; 07-13-2019, 06:27 PM.

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  • Unclebuck
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    https://theathletic.com/1070184/2019...y-with-pacers/
    Some of the fans comments are interesting

    Just curious, did anyone ask if he had any other issues with Milwaukee, either the city or the team? He seemed ambivalent at best with staying when asked about free agency near the end of the year. If he didn't want to be here, I'm okay with him leaving. Good player, but I'm not sure he's as good as he thinks he is at point guard. Going to struggle defensively against the really quick, elite point guards.
    AJ T.
    22h ago
    3 likes
    @John F. disagree, he can guard quick guards
    Joe S.
    20h ago
    @AJ T. we shall see about that ...

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    19h ago
    3 likes
    @John F. It was just a short chat I had with him at Summer League. He seemed pretty complimentary of Milwaukee in his introductory presser with the Pacers.

    Also, I would agree regarding him guarding point guards.

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    19h ago
    4 likes
    @AJ T. I don't think he can. He died on pick-and-rolls far too often when he was assigned to point guards.
    Joshua B.
    4h ago
    @Eric Nehm when Oladipo comes back I wouldn't be surprised to see Oladipo guard the point and shift Brogdon defensively.
    Brian S.
    22h ago
    4 likes
    At least ownership did right by him and expedited the process.

    Sounds like position was a tad more important to him than total $?

    What was your impression, Eric?

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    19h ago
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    Brian S. That was certainly what I got from the conversation. He mentioned both things though. I would put his desire to play point guard above his desire to get paid, but his "drive the price up" comment would suggest, the $ still mattered quite a bit.
    Jerry K.
    25m ago
    Brogden is heavy into his charity work which I appreciate and signing that contract helps in that regard. I think the Bucks did the right thing by not signing or matching that contract. He will be missed but the Bucks will be ok.
    AJ T.
    22h ago
    4 likes
    It's odd to me that this is spun as "owner does right by player" when it should be "owner saw chance to not pay the tax, blames it on him wanting to play PG"....

    I hope I am wrong, but I can't help but think the Bucks will regret this. It's not up for debate; the team is worse now. The only way they are not is if multiple players go from spot minutes to playoff contributors. In a season where the Bucks have their best chance to win a title (no Durant, no Thompson, many teams in flux), they are betting on end of bench players taking big leaps. I am not a fan of that bet.
    Bob S.
    21h ago
    1 like
    Seems like those were Malcolm’s words so unless you’re claiming that he’s spinning this I’m unclear how it can be considered spin.

    They’re worse on paper, no doubt. But I don’t think they’re banking on end of the bench guys. They’re banking on Giannis continuing on the arc he’s established throughout his career. There’s more coming to his game.
    Joe S.
    20h ago
    @Bob S. Not only Giannis, but lots of guys on the team are young enough to still have upside... And second year in Bud system should also benefit players, plus Bud should have learned some things to do differently after the Toronto series , etc.... But I really think Hill, Sterling, and Donte can overall make up for loss of Brogdon.. And as I often mention, we shall see how well Brogdon feet and legs hold up in Indiana...

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    19h ago
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    @AJ T. Maybe it hasn't been quite clear enough, but I've said repeatedly since the Brogdon deal that the Bucks are worse for it. Their team simply isn't as good as it was last season and I don't think you'd get any disagreement from anyone in that regard.

    Also, I explicitly framed their entire offseason in terms of willingness to pay the tax. The free agency primer made it very clear the Bucks either had the chance to bring the big 3 FA back and pay the tax or not pay the tax and lose one.
    AJ T.
    18h ago
    @Eric Nehm that's the frustrating part. Ownership claimed they were willing to invest, everyone knew that was the scenario (paying tax or losing 1), and then they didn't do it
    AJ T.
    18h ago
    @Bob S. "spun" was probably too strong. I meant the focus of the piece was on that. I am very frustrated as a Bucks fan. The ownership stating they were willing to invest was a straight up lie. If not now, when?
    Keith C.
    18h ago
    For what the Bucks paid Middleton they could have had Brogdon and Bogdanovich both.
    Alex S.
    17h ago
    @Eric Nehm "Maybe it hasn't been quite clear enough, but I've said repeatedly since the Brogdon deal that the Bucks are worse for it. Their team simply isn't as good as it was last season and I don't think you'd get any disagreement from anyone in that regard.

    Also, I explicitly framed their entire offseason in terms of willingness to pay the tax. The free agency primer made it very clear the Bucks either had the chance to bring the big 3 FA back and pay the tax or not pay the tax and lose one."

    ^ SO MUCH THIS

    Bucks are absolutely worse without Brogdon and more importantly, ownership saying they would go into the luxury and then not carrying through, they're also quickly deteriorating any trust w/the fans at ever taking their word seriously.

    Also, and let's be perfectly honest - only way to win a ring nowadays for a team like MIL is to go into the luxury -- what kind of message does this offseason send to Giannis? Does ownership actually think he's going to stay just because we kept Middleton, who might be his friend but beyond that is a fringe top 20 player?

    Biggest fear is Giannis walks and/or demands a trade and all we're left with is nothing to show for Middleton's contract.
    Matt P.
    8h ago
    1 like
    @Eric Nehm The Bucks also never really played at full strength last season when you factor in the timing around the trades and Brogdon's injury. In some aspects, we don't really know if the full strength Bucks were better on the court, although they certainly were on paper. Re-inserting Brogdon back into the team in the middle of the playoffs was probably a bigger challenge for the team than we've given it credit for.
    Jerry K.
    20m ago
    This is one of the reasons they didn’t want to commit that money to him. I believe if it was closer to 15 mil a year, he would still be a Buck. I also believe he wanted out of Milwaukee.
    Jonathan B.
    21h ago
    5 likes
    I hope he gets another 50-40-90 season again. I have nothing but respect for him.
    Matt P.
    8h ago
    2 likes
    Jonathan B. He definitely won't if he plays PG
    Joe S.
    21h ago
    1 like
    Great stuff to know a little bit of the insider stuff with the owners getting involved... Did he have anything to say about the fans of Milwaukee and any of his charity work if he did any in the city ?
    Cordon G.
    21h ago
    3 likes
    In his press conference when he was introduced to Indy he was nothing but complimentary of Milwaukee. He mentioned his charity work in Africa building wells but I don't think he said anything about charity in Milwaukee specifically
    Joe S.
    20h ago
    3 likes
    @Cordon G. glad to hear that .. I think this whole thing about him not liking Milwaukee is folks looking for a story and just trying to push a narrative for their own purposes... He did acknowledge the fact most of us know about Milwaukee's reputation for segregation, but I think only because he was asked about it, so he gave an honest answer..

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    19h ago
    1 like
    @Joe S. That wasn't something we discussed in our short conversation, but I certainly didn't get the sense "getting out of Milwaukee" was high on his list of offseason priorities. Playing point guard and getting paid were clearly much higher.
    Joe S.
    19h ago
    2 likes
    @Eric Nehm .... I agree ... I have this feeling it is the National Writer types and Folks who have never actually visited Milwaukee pushing that get out of Milwaukee narrative... thanks..
    Alex S.
    17h ago
    2 likes
    @Joe S. Yeah, I'm right there with yah - seemed like a very forced narrative because of Brogdon's (entirely valid) criticism of Milwaukee's segregation. How people ever extended that into "I don't like playing in Milwaukee" is completely illogical.
    Joe S.
    17h ago
    @Alex S. JSOnline just today I think it was had some more articles on the Milwaukee segregation thing in the news section, not the sports section , though I did not read the stories so not sure if the stories had any new info
    Alex S.
    17h ago
    1 like
    Eric, great piece but you're not making me any more optimistic about losing Brogdon...

    As I keep ranting about on here, can only hope Horst has another move up his sleeve.
    Joe S.
    17h ago
    @Alex S. In Horst we Trust, and let us remember the team in October is likely not the same as the team come January or February or whenever the trade deadline is... Maybe I have too much faith in guys like Sterling and Donte making year 2 to 3 and year 1 to 2 leaps, and in what Wes Matthews and his veteran savvy and presence will bring to the team ?? Not to mention having Hill from day 1 to gel with the team...
    Alex S.
    3h ago
    1 like
    The fact Lasry brokered the Brogdon move isn't a good sign...could actually be the most important detail in the article. In addition to going back on their word about going into the luxury to keep the team together, not sure if Horst will want to stay here for too long if ownership starts meddling even more.

    Either way, we'll see if they make any additional moves...and color me preemptively disappointed if they do not.
    Ben R.
    42m ago
    1 like
    @Alex S. My concern too. That just jumped off of the, er, page(?) when I read the article. It may even explain how the Bucks messed up on the trade exception thingie.
    Timothy M.
    8h ago
    3 likes
    Eric, I just don't see us being worse without Brogdon. The Bucks now have a handful of gifted off-ball players who will get more opportunities to develop and contribute. Add to that Brogdon's 60 games lost to injury over the past two seasons, and I don't see that Milwaukee is worse off without him.

    I understand Brogdon's 40-50-90 was impressive, but, George Hill had very close to those numbers just two seasons ago (46-51-85), he goes to the FT line at a higher rate is a better defender. Sterling Brown was 45-50-77 through all 4 years while at SMU, while his Defensive Box +/- was far superior, as was Pat Connaughton's & Wes Matthews' DBPM. Consider all 4 of these players remaining with or joining the Bucks roster are true volume shooters, where Brogdon was not. We haven't even brought Donte into this equation.

    I do not see us as worse at all, especially not adamantly so. I believe we might be a better team, and Milwaukee was able to add/retain better talent at positions of need. Brogdon also has foot problems both right and left, that have plagued him since his days at Virginia. Those tend to be chronic conditions that rarely get back to normal. With the 3 additional picks, it is my view that the Bucks clearly won in this deal, as much as I like Malcolm Brogdon. He will be missed, but the Bucks will be just fine.

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    6h ago
    5 likes
    @Timothy M. I've written in the past that his shooting is not the most important thing about his offensive contribution. He was the only driver the team had outside of Antetokounmpo and Bledsoe and that is significant for a 5-out dribble drive offense.

    Unless you think Matthews is a better player than Brogdon, I don't know how you can believe this team might be better. Their wing rotation is literally the exact same as last year except you're switching Matthews for Brogdon.
    Joe B.
    6h ago
    1 like
    Pacers fan here. I'm thrilled to get Brogdon. Darren Collison was a good point guard, but Brogdon is a clear letter grade higher than DC. Indiana's ceiling raised with Brogdon not only because of his efficiency, but because everything about him screams team player who wants to empower others.
    Jerry K.
    18m ago
    He’s not a point guard, IMO.
    ALLAN L.
    6h ago
    Bledsoe cannot shoot the ball. Yes, he plays D but this team needs shooters. They gave the money to wrong guy. Bledsoe already hearing the negative from fans about his poor shooting in playoffs and he will become the fall guy next season as he fails to put the ball in hole after D collapses on the Greek Freak. Brogdan was their 2nd best player and their smartest player. He will be missed.
    Alex S.
    3h ago
    @ALLAN L. Bledsoe had a 48.4 FG% in 2018-2019.

    Khris Middleton? 44.1 FG% in 2018-2019.

    In fact, Bledsoe has a higher FG% for his career than Middleton.

    No one's arguing that Bled has some mental issues to figure out in the postseason but to say he can't shoot is ridiculous.

    More importantly though, all the constant Bledsoe hate just needs to stop - he's an integral part of Bud's offense, even more so after losing Brogdon. And always keep in mind Bled may have sacrificed up to 8 figures to stay in Milwaukee because he likes it here -- can you name the last time that happened?
    ALLAN L.
    3h ago
    @Alex S.
    32.9% for 3's and a whopping 23.6% on 3's in playoffs. They gave money to wrong guy.
    Alex S.
    43m ago
    @ALLAN L. Bucks lived and died by the 3 as a team against TOR - 31% isn't going to cut it.

    Either way, pretty telling folks like you sum up Bled's entire worth by the fact he's not lights out from 3 - 1st team all NBA guards don't just fall from the sky, especially onto small market teams like MIL. And again, Bled would easily be making Brogdon's money or more if he had decided to test free agency - any way you cut it, signing Bled to that deal was a great move by the Bucks.
    Zach C.
    6h ago
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    As someone who is coming to this article from the Pacers side, it seems he will have more flexibility with this team.

    I don't know much about Milwaukee's makeup, other than what I see when Pacers play them, but based on the article, Bledsoe is more of a pure point guard. Even though Brogdon will be the Pacers starting PG on paper, once Oladipo gets back, I'm sure those two will be sharing time at point. Especially when you get into clutch scenarios, Vic will most likely have the ball in his hands. Brogdon's 3 % will pay dividends at those times.

    As far as his defense, he seems to be coming to the Pacers at a decent level already. With the way this team is coached, and the core returning guys, defense is a priority. They have one of the best defensive assistants in the game, so they have a way of elevating everyone defensively. They took Bogey from marginal defender to someone who did a reasonable job on LeBron in the playoffs.

    As a Pacers fan, I'm excited by this pick-up!
    Larry W.
    5h ago
    I believe it was a Zach Harper article on here that said in part “it doesn’t sound like he wants to be there long term” (referencing brogdon/mke). Just wanted someone closer to the situation to dive deeper on that comment. If you tell me it was primarily because Brogdon wanted to play pg/ the money then I’ll just take you at your word. But I’ve been in locker rooms and sometimes there is more to the story (mo williams v. mike redd for example) Even Brogdon’s presser was quite telling imo. No biggie just wanted tougher questions to be asked.

    Eric Nehm
    STAFF
    3h ago
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    larry W. I think I found the article you're talking about (theathletic.com/1055760/2019/06/30/instant-grades-and-reaction-the-malcom-brogdon-sign-and-trade-to-indiana/). Everything I've heard from all parties involved are pretty much exactly what Zach laid out. Playing point guard and getting a payday were the priorities. The other storyline about he doesn't like the city of Milwaukee or whatever that narrative has become among fans was not why he wanted a change of scenery.

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  • Unclebuck
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    https://theathletic.com/1070184/2019...y-with-pacers/

    Malcolm Brogdon reflects on his time with Bucks and is excited about the opportunity with Pacers
    By Eric Nehm Jul 11, 2019



    LAS VEGAS – As the Bucks entered free agency this summer, general manager Jon Horst cleared enough cap space to bring back the team’s three most important free agents: Malcolm Brogdon, Brook Lopez and Khris Middleton.

    Now, less than two weeks later, we only know that Lopez and Middleton will return to Milwaukee next season. Brogdon will instead join the Pacers, who surrendered a first-round pick and two second-round picks in a sign-and-trade deal that also gave Brogdon a brand new four-year, $85 million contract.

    It is the first significant payday for the 26-year-old combo guard since being selected by the Bucks with the 36th pick in the 2016 NBA Draft. Brogdon’s big move comes after an impressive third season in which he averaged 15.6 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.2 assists per game.

    He also was just the eighth player in NBA history to finish a season shooting at least 40 percent from the 3-point arc, 50 percent from the field and 90 percent from the free-throw line.

    With just three years in the NBA, Brogdon was a restricted free agent, allowing him limited freedom to search for a deal with a different team. The Bucks could simply match any offer sheet made to him.

    “It was stressful,” Brogdon said this week during summer-league games. “Not knowing where you were going to go, not knowing who was going to come to the table and drive the price up.

    “But for me, it worked out. I went from one great team to another. I’m really excited to be with the Pacers.”

    The sign-and-trade surprised many, including Brogdon’s teammates in Milwaukee.

    “I thought they were going to find a way to keep everybody together,” Middleton said. “They weren’t and that’s the way things happen sometimes, but bringing George (Hill) back, bringing Brook (Lopez) back, that’s huge.

    “Just to try to keep other pieces of the team together rather than having changeover like a lot of the other teams are doing.”

    The impact of losing Brogdon on the floor is quite obvious, but Bucks guard Pat Connaughton believes the impact will be felt in other ways.

    “Malcolm was probably one of my closest friends on the team, so losing him, it hurts a lot,” Connaughton said. “Both from a team standpoint from what he can do and from a personal standpoint because of the camaraderie he brought to the team.”

    For Brogdon though, a new team offered opportunities he did not have in Milwaukee. In his introductory news conference in Indiana, Brogdon said he believed his best position was point guard. The answer seemed a bit out of place because he hadn’t played the position much in Milwaukee outside of his rookie season under Jason Kidd.

    Since the Bucks traded for Eric Bledsoe in November 2017, Brogdon has been used almost exclusively as a shooting guard and he has excelled in the role. Before missing the final month of the season with a plantar fascia tear in his right foot, Brogdon had started all 64 games.

    “I definitely wanted to do it more, but what I realized when Bledsoe got there is that it worked for me,” Brogdon told The Athletic Wisconsin of his desire to play more point guard in Milwaukee. “Playing shooting guard, playing off the ball, it worked for me. It worked for my teammates and I wanted to win at the end of the day, so that’s what was good for me.”

    Bledsoe’s three-year extension this past March essentially eliminated any possibility of Brogdon starting at point guard in Milwaukee in the near future with Bledsoe much better served on the ball as opposed to spotting up as a shooter.

    Brogdon never voiced a desire to play point guard publicly in the last two seasons, a nod to his high character and desire to be a part of a winning culture. But as he discusses his move to Indiana more, it has become obvious not getting a chance to play the position bothered him.

    Malcolm Brogdon is now a member of the Pacers after a sign-and-trade deal with the Bucks. (Ron Hoskins / Getty Images)

    During the news conference in Indianapolis, Kevin Pritchard, the Pacers president of basketball operations, praised Pacers owner Herb Simon for getting on the phone and helping work out the deal with one of the Bucks’ owners. Brogdon revealed that owner was Marc Lasry.

    “I was extremely grateful to Marc Lasry,” Brogdon said. “I think he was the key in all this, sort of putting it together, signing off on the deal and really allowing the Pacers to acquire me.”

    With owners on each side involved, both teams were able to work out a deal that kept the Pacers from tying up their free-agency period with an offer sheet for up to 10 days, allowing them to sign Brogdon without fear of the Bucks matching. For that freedom, the Pacers paid a hefty price by giving up draft picks, something they didn’t need to do if an offer sheet was extended.

    The assets could certainly help the Bucks in the future, but the current roster may not be as good as last year’s team. The subsequent moves they’ve made to replace Brogdon simply don’t add up to the player they lost, and the Bucks understand how difficult it will be to replace him.

    “Fortunately and unfortunately, a little bit of both, we had to try to figure out how to play without him this year and I think we did a really good job when he was out,” Connaughton said. “He did a really good job of empowering us guys to step up and make sure that we build our role.”

    Connaughton will be part of a group of players that attempt to replace Brogdon, as will Sterling Brown, Donte DiVincenzo, George Hill and Wesley Matthews Jr. That group will have their work cut out for them, but not just because of Brogdon’s impressive stats. His play contributed to a team that ultimately compiled the league’s best regular-season record by winning 60 games.

    “We were winners, man,” Brogdon said, when asked what he’ll remember about Milwaukee. “We were winners. And we did it with high-character guys.”

    And that will be how the Bucks are judged and how they manage to replace Brogdon next season.

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  • BlueCollarColts
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    I agree with others that our wing defense looks very suspect right now, but if you would have told someone a couple years ago that Bojan would be our primary wing defender, I don't think anyone would've been too impressed and that worked out well. Dan Burke is very good on the defensive end, I trust he can help Warren get to where he needs to be defensively.

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  • Rogco
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    Finally got around to listening to some interviews with Brogdon. They were excellent. Excited to have him in Indy.

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  • Drew46229
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    Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

    I would say that TJ has defended worse than Bogey, but he said in the interview that nobody took things seriously in Phoenix. I will reserve judgement on his defense until I can see what Burke and Nate can do with him.
    That's been my mantra, as well. Trust the system. Until proven otherwise. I heard a stat a while back, the only team with a better defensive rating than the Indiana Pacers since Dan Burke's hire (cumulative since '99-2000) was the San Antonio Spurs. Dan Burke is an absolute guru of the defense. He received Bojan as a negative defender, by some accounts the very worst in the Association. The system Dan has put in place covers a multitude of sins, as it were. With Turner and Goga as the back-stops, the other players can feel more free to gamble for steals (remember Vic led the league in steals his most recent healthy season). I know the swing spot (the 3) is generally viewed as very important to a top-notch defense, but I genuinely believe that the coaching staff, generally, and Dan Burke, specifically, will have everyone ready to play their role in a top-3 defense.

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  • imawhat
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    Originally posted by docpaul View Post

    The truth is, four transactions were all relayed over Twitter within 2 minutes by both Shams and Woj:
    1) Bogie to Utah
    2) Brogdon to Indy
    3) Lamb to Indy
    4) Rubio to Phoenix

    ..and all of those literally, came within a 2-3 minute period... so it was clear that all of those transactions were contingent on each other and coordinated.

    Sounds like they were talking with Brogdon's agent a considerable time before free agency began. Of course, no-one is supposed to be doing any of that until the moratorium is lifted, but obviously, no-one actually adheres to that rule anymore.
    Brogdon dropped a bomb during his summer league in-game interview tonight and confirmed the sign and trade discussions heated up "a few hours" before it actually happened. It turns out we didn't take a sharp left turn at 6:12pm, after Bogey left. Pritchard knew that Bogey leaving was a distinct possibility and even mentioned it in the days leading up to free agency.

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  • Pacergeek
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    Malcolm Brogdon wins the press conference. TKO Round 2!!

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  • BlueNGold
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    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
    This is the kind of move that has a ripple effect going forward in the sense that credibility in the owner and front office was strengthened throughout the league because they were able to make this deal. High-caliber players want to see that ability in the ownership. Not all front offices have the ability to do it. This will help in the future for Indy shedding it's "flyover country" reputation. It also establishes that they are a management entity capable of hanging with the big boys. Had they just kept their own guy and then filled in with Rubio, I think it would've played into the whole "Pacers gonna Pacers" mentality. This was a big deal in the long term.
    Very nice post. I can see how a lot of that is true. Good for Herb and whomever else was involved.

    So I like the move, actually. But I stopped following at the point you said there would be some ripple across the league regarding this acquisition. The only ripple here might be whatever Pacer fans are drinking. The league as a whole does not care if the Pacers acquired Malcolm Brogdon. They consider the Pacers to be a pretty good team with a franchise player who has a bum knee. IOW, not going anywhere and Malcolm Brogdon isn't the answer for that.

    But all things considered, the Pacers seemed to be on the offensive rather than defensive this off season. I think they did go with Plan A and last year they settled for Plan B or C.

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  • docpaul
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    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post

    Which just further validates my sentiment that they had deals lined up for Rubio and had an inkling Bogey was gone. Think about it...what's the chance they learned Bogey and Rubio had turned us down for Utah and Phoenix, and were announced, and so we worked out the Brogdon deal in a minute? The Brogdon deal to me was a much more difficult transaction to work out. They had to have been working on it and putting Rubio on hold.
    Yep, that's what I was trying to help surface alongside you. That's the only valid explanation. Trades don't happen over a 5 minute rush phone call.

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  • Kid Minneapolis
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    Originally posted by docpaul View Post

    The truth is, four transactions were all relayed over Twitter within 2 minutes by both Shams and Woj:
    1) Bogie to Utah
    2) Brogdon to Indy
    3) Lamb to Indy
    4) Rubio to Phoenix

    ..and all of those literally, came within a 2-3 minute period... so it was clear that all of those transactions were contingent on each other and coordinated.

    Sounds like they were talking with Brogdon's agent a considerable time before free agency began. Of course, no-one is supposed to be doing any of that until the moratorium is lifted, but obviously, no-one actually adheres to that rule anymore.
    Which just further validates my sentiment that they had deals lined up for Rubio and had an inkling Bogey was gone. Think about it...what's the chance they learned Bogey and Rubio had turned us down for Utah and Phoenix, and were announced, and so we worked out the Brogdon deal in a minute? The Brogdon deal to me was a much more difficult transaction to work out. They had to have been working on it and putting Rubio on hold.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 07-09-2019, 09:02 PM.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by SaintLouisan View Post
    Ooooohhhh I'm almost there....
    Think of baseball stats.

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