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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pacerized View Post

    I think most people in that discussion agreed that location mattered, I know I agree with that. There are prerequisites for players with the first being money and the second being the chance to win but top tier players have multiple teams ready to throw max contracts at them. What I argued in the thread is that a warm climate doesn't mean squat when compared to the culture of the city and state, if that were the case then Phoenix and Dallas would be free agent destinations. Players with options aren't going to flock to a conservative redneck city or state which is what Indiana is and while Indianapolis is somewhat different than the state it doesn't stack up when compared to New York or any of the California cities.
    Yes, Indianapolis isnít New York or California. Neither is any place else. Next.....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DieHard View Post
      I just want to recognize that the clippers were able to make that trade because they had carefully and skillfully acquired so of those assets over the last couple of years. They made several good picks and trades to get where they are. Obviously it's a huge factor to be in la but it isn't the only one.
      And they remained competitive the entire process, proving there are more choices than "Tank and be horrible for 10 years" or try to be "as good as you can this year", every single year. Sure being LA helped them. But not as much as their boldness. They traded their best player last year midseason and still made the playoffs, and also put on a good showing.

      Plus, they were willing to take a rather big risk. If the Pacers are negotiating that trade once it gets over 2 1st round picks they are out. They dont make big moves like this, because they are simply always looking at worst case scenario and never want to trade anyone who actually has value.

      If Malcolm Brogdon is worth 3 draft picks, then 2 ALL NBA performers are easily worth 5 and 2 competent players. And I like Malcolm Brogdon a lot.
      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

        In no other major sport are the main players teaming up in pockets to remake the league like they are in the NBA. The makeup of the NFL and MLB could never be overhauled in a single off-season like the NBA just was. Itís artificial because the NBA doesnt require near as much executive skill to get to the top like the MLB and NFL do. The Lakers have been run terribly for a while, yet they still have Lebron and Davis on their team just because of who they are.

        Sure Eli and others have demanded trades. Not saying it never happens in other sports. Iím just saying that you would never have the MLB or NFL overhauled by some players to the extent the NBA just was. Iím not saying itís a bad thing either. Itís entertaining. The league will be fun to watch, thatís for sure. But itís sort of artificial IMO because such a low premium is put on executive skill and roster building as it relates to those at the very top.

        Thats why I respected the pre-Durant Warriors so much. They were built the old fashioned way through draft picks and some savvy roster moves. Totally homegrown and authentic.
        So let me be clear, I said there are things like this in every sport. Meaning parallels to artificial development of teams you describe. Some offseasons it feel like other team are intentionally helping the Patrtiots. The Steelers has to move on from 2 of the best at their position just this offseason. Why is it that people only critisize when itís the players doing it? Specifically NBA players?

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        • #19
          By the way, NFL players openly recruit all the time. They just have an extremely ****** union because they get hit in the head for a living.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post

            So let me be clear, I said there are things like this in every sport. Meaning parallels to artificial development of teams you describe. Some offseasons it feel like other team are intentionally helping the Patrtiots. The Steelers has to move on from 2 of the best at their position just this offseason. Why is it that people only critisize when itís the players doing it? Specifically NBA players?
            This is merely because it's new, and it's clearly hurting most of the markets in the NBA. It rubbed me the wrong way for a long time, and what got me to be more accepting of it was just the realization that it's exactly what I would do if I were in their position.

            And let's be real here, it's working very well for them. Lebron got exactly what he wanted by making "The Decision", he also got what he wanted by making a different decision, the second time, and it looks like he has another good shot with his latest one. Durant got what he wanted as well. Kawhi and PG also have a better shot at getting what they want, than the chances they had at their last place of employment.

            It's working, so it will continue.
            "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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            • #21
              Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post

              So let me be clear, I said there are things like this in every sport. Meaning parallels to artificial development of teams you describe. Some offseasons it feel like other team are intentionally helping the Patrtiots. The Steelers has to move on from 2 of the best at their position just this offseason. Why is it that people only critisize when itís the players doing it? Specifically NBA players?
              No one is disagreeing with you that it happens in other sports. The difference is that in the NBA this off-season, almost the entire upper crust of the league has shifted overnight. You never get that sort of dramatic of a change in other leagues.

              Across most markets in the league, fans -correctly for the most part- feel that at best, their team can be a decent team that makes the playoffs, but ultimately becomes a feeder for the upper crust of the league.

              Part of this is obviously because individual basketball players are generally more important than individual football players (aside from QBís). B-ball players play both sides of the ball, itís only 5 on 5, you can take as many shots as you want, etc etc.

              Its entertaining, donít get me wrong. Itís been a fascinating week. Iíll be watching all season. But itís increasingly not a league where great front office work and player development gets you very far for very long.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                By the way, NFL players openly recruit all the time. They just have an extremely ****** union because they get hit in the head for a living.
                I dont think they have a weak union, just much stronger and more united ownership that doesnt back down. They also have a much larger membership with far more guys on the fringes who cant afford an extended lockout, as well as shorter careers which increases the impact of a lost season and applies more pressure to the negotations.

                And the NBA cant compete with the NFL anymore for that reason. It's just in the best interest of the game to allow the decision makers to be separate from the game itself. What's best for the players is only what's best for the individual. What's best for the fans naturally drives the market for the sport. And that's whats important for long term growth. The NBA has become completely dependent on super teams to draw any kind of meaningful attention to the league. The NFL isn't in that predicament.
                "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                • #23
                  Raptors just won the chip. One of newest teams.

                  Pacers were able to sign a top free agent, prompting a S&T

                  League is about to have more parity than any season I can remember. Certainly more parity than years dominated by Bulls, Celtics, Lakers.

                  yet everyone complaining

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

                    No one is disagreeing with you that it happens in other sports. The difference is that in the NBA this off-season, almost the entire upper crust of the league has shifted overnight. You never get that sort of dramatic of a change in other leagues.

                    Across most markets in the league, fans -correctly for the most part- feel that at best, their team can be a decent team that makes the playoffs, but ultimately becomes a feeder for the upper crust of the league.

                    Part of this is obviously because individual basketball players are generally more important than individual football players (aside from QBís). B-ball players play both sides of the ball, itís only 5 on 5, you can take as many shots as you want, etc etc.

                    Its entertaining, donít get me wrong. Itís been a fascinating week. Iíll be watching all season. But itís increasingly not a league where great front office work and player development gets you very far for very long.
                    Eh, outside of Lebron movement Iím not sure how you can say great front office work and player development doesnít get you far. 90% of the time the champion and most the playoffs teams get there because of drafting and player development. Raptors drafted their 2nd leading scorer Siakam and traded DD who they drafted for Kawhi. Warriors team is all draft and masterful salary cap prep. 76ers, Bucks, Rockets, Jazz, Blazers. The list goes on, mostly draft, player development and great front office.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                      Raptors just won the chip. One of newest teams.

                      Pacers were able to sign a top free agent, prompting a S&T

                      League is about to have more parity than any season I can remember. Certainly more parity than years dominated by Bulls, Celtics, Lakers.

                      yet everyone complaining
                      I agree about the parity this year. It seems that the best teams only have two superstars, so even the teams that donít have one can compete. You can gameplay to defend two players, but when you have three, it is almost impossible.

                      I donít agree with the statement that the Pacers signed a top free agent, Brogdon is a great signing for us, but he was definitely not in the top tier.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                        I agree about the parity this year. It seems that the best teams only have two superstars, so even the teams that donít have one can compete. You can gameplay to defend two players, but when you have three, it is almost impossible.

                        I donít agree with the statement that the Pacers signed a top free agent, Brogdon is a great signing for us, but he was definitely not in the top tier.
                        I saw him on top 10 lists for months, including ESPN...

                        https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...potential-fits

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post

                          You do know Wilt Chamberlain demanded a trade to Lakers right?
                          Yes, when he was well past his prime.

                          The issue isn't the ring chaser that's been around for years. The issue are the star players in the league just entering their prime teaming up and destroying competition. It creates essentially a fake league similar to how you might go to a city park and the best 5 guys dominate all summer. Not real interesting unless you like to know the end result.
                          Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

                            No one is disagreeing with you that it happens in other sports. The difference is that in the NBA this off-season, almost the entire upper crust of the league has shifted overnight. You never get that sort of dramatic of a change in other leagues.

                            Across most markets in the league, fans -correctly for the most part- feel that at best, their team can be a decent team that makes the playoffs, but ultimately becomes a feeder for the upper crust of the league.

                            Part of this is obviously because individual basketball players are generally more important than individual football players (aside from QBís). B-ball players play both sides of the ball, itís only 5 on 5, you can take as many shots as you want, etc etc.

                            Its entertaining, donít get me wrong. Itís been a fascinating week. Iíll be watching all season. But itís increasingly not a league where great front office work and player development gets you very far for very long.
                            I agree with most of this except your first statement. It does not happen in other sports. Let me explain.

                            The NBA isn't like NFL and other sports. An NBA team only needs a small set of players (e.g. a "Big 3") that essentially determine if they are a top team in the league. The NFL has 22 starters and the offense and defense are completely different players and strategies. Not to mention there are special teams that have an impact. You can have the best QB in the league and have no chance of ever winning. You might even have the best QB and pass rusher and even the best receiver and you still need a lot of other high quality players to win. You may very well lose to a team without a single player as good as your top 3 depending on the rest of the roster.

                            Essentially it is FAR more of a team effort. One single player simply has less of an impact on the game than say a LeBron James has on an NBA game.

                            So, when a few of these guys move...maybe even a couple...it might give said team an overwhelming advantage. You just don't have that in the NFL.
                            Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                              Raptors just won the chip. One of newest teams.

                              Pacers were able to sign a top free agent, prompting a S&T

                              League is about to have more parity than any season I can remember. Certainly more parity than years dominated by Bulls, Celtics, Lakers.

                              yet everyone complaining
                              Raptors just won the championship.....and then their star player didnít even return for the repeat opportunity - likely sending them into a long period of mediocrity. So that example kind of proves what weíre complaing about. You can do everything right like the Raptors and STILL have nothing to show long term. The banner hangs forever and it was worth it, but it has to feel like it all happened in the blink of an eye for their fans.

                              Yes itís increased parity - but itís parity based on which coastal cities these guys decided to team up on. Itís entertaining and they have the right to do it, but if youíre a fan of a flyover franchise (which is most franchises - even the Bulls are flyover nowadays), you have feel like even great GM work wont get your team very far.
                              Last edited by Sollozzo; 07-07-2019, 07:40 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                                Yes, when he was well past his prime.

                                The issue isn't the ring chaser that's been around for years. The issue are the star players in the league just entering their prime teaming up and destroying competition. It creates essentially a fake league similar to how you might go to a city park and the best 5 guys dominate all summer. Not real interesting unless you like to know the end result.
                                You familiar with Kareem Abdul Jabaar?

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