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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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BLOCKBUSTER: Kawhi Leonard & Paul George both to the Clippers in massive deal

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  • #76
    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    So... the Raptors could have had Kawhi/George/Russ for the next 3 years, and chose none of them instead. Does not speak well of Russís value/contract around the league.
    I donít think it was because of Westbrook.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      So... the Raptors could have had Kawhi/George/Russ for the next 3 years, and chose none of them instead. Does not speak well of Russ�s value/contract around the league.
      I was reading an article that kind of read that they were scared to still lose Leonard despite picking up Paul George. Would you want to gut your team for Russell and George?

      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?


      • #78
        The Lakers better hope LeBron doesn't get hurt this season. I don't think AD would walk out as a free agent next year, but if LeBron got hurt and they had a mediocre season, stranger things have happened...and that would completely destroy the Lakers for a long time.


        • #79
          I actually don't expect the Clippers to be that dominant and not even as good as Toronto was last year. Toronto wasn't that great either. LeBron leaving the east helped.
          Toronto barely got by Philly and it was not an easy route. Essentially, circumstances aligned in their favor. Great team but still fortunate to win a title.


          • #80
            Originally posted by Grimp View Post
            This has illegal written all over it. Word is Kawhi pushed Paul to find a way to get traded to the Clippers óbecause thatís where Kawhi was going. So this is tampering.

            This is like James Harden becoming a free agent, then calling Victor Oladipo on the lowkey and getting in his ear to push Pacers management to trade him to the Knicks so they can team up there.

            A highly illegal move. You literally have a player tampering with another player under contract on another team. Now itíííll be interesting to see if the bounty the Clippers gave to OKC in terms of assets ó is enough to keep them from filing a charge against LAC.
            There is nothing illegal that happened here. The NBA ruled that player to player conversations that are not directed by the FO are not considered tampering. OKC has no case here and they know it.

            Originally posted by Peck View Post

            But the trade demand had no teeth. He has 3 more years on his contract, they could have and should have used this season to shop him around. Yes draft picks are great but let's be real here, if the pairing of Kawhi and Paul with their other players works out then for the 2-5 years the Clippers will be drafting in the 20's. Do you really think the Thunder are going to replace the value of Paul George with someone picked that low? Even the Heat's pick might not be lottery because of Butler and how they build around him, it could be a lottery pick but who knows.

            No, IMO OKC really messed up here because at the end of the day what could Paul have done if they just said "no". At least we got a year of superstar Vic and a really good player in Sabonis.

            They get Galanari who was washed up 3 years ago and is almost never healthy and a decent but not a star second year player plus a lot of mid round first round picks. Now on the plus side they can also package those picks out to people. But if I were an OKC fan I would be pretty down today because it looks like the beginning of the end of their run of superstar talent that they as a fan base have never known. Remember they got this team with Kevin Durrant in his second year so they are almost like Lakers fans, they don't know what its like for the rest of us.
            It's a star player run league now. No modern GM is going to ruin their reputations with other star players. The last 4 or so years shows that no one, not even the Spurs, can keep a player if they want out, even if they are under contract. Sure, Presti could have said no, but then he would never be able to pull another PG trade or ever sign a good free agent to OKC ever again. With that being the backdrop here, any smart front office has to do this. The Knicks shipped out Porzingus (whom they could have restricted and matched for even longer), the Spurs shipped out Kawhi, the Pelicans shipped out Davis, it's just how the NBA works now. If you deny PG his chance to play with Kawhi you are going to have one unhappy 2nd star that will not be playing very well next to Russ on the decline, a team that already has had 3 straight first round exits with no improvement in sight. They had to dump Adams or Roberson this offseason to avoid the t. Daryl Morey had the 5% rule - if your team has a 5% chance to win the championship you should go all in. As OKC was projected to be constructed in the beginning of the 2019-2020 season - they did not have the 5% window. No one in season is going to give up 7 picks plus a prospect as good as SGA.


            • #81
              Also, with all these extra first round picks, OKC has a lot of extra darts to throw at the board for this supposed "double draft" coming when the NBA allows high schoolers back to the draft.


              • #82
                You know something!? Did anyone think think that Kawahi was the type of "player" to secretly recruit players behind the scenes? After reading the articles, this just seems to be the most cutthroat free agent signing that I have ever seen, lol

                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?


                • #83
                  Pacers should be all over Westbrook but that is not what they do as they are counting on Oladipo the same way they counted on Granger when they traded Kwahi.

                  Keep Dipo but don't put that many eggs in that basket.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                    That team is Beverly, Lou, PG, Kwahi, Harrell, yeah they are going to be amazing.
                    Really good defensive team. Yikes. With offense. Favorites in the West.


                    • #85
                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                      That team is Beverly, Lou, PG, Kwahi, Harrell, yeah they are going to be amazing.
                      I'm not sure that Harrell will fit well, Kawhi is a midrange kind of guy that spacing might be a bit suspect for him. They almost certainly won't start Lou Will, they have Shamet whom provides better spacing for Kawhi and they need someone to carry the 2nd unit a la van-vleet in toronto. I'm curious to see if they will resign jamychel green and let him start.

                      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                      So... the Raptors could have had Kawhi/George/Russ for the next 3 years, and chose none of them instead. Does not speak well of Russís value/contract around the league.
                      Woj also reported this so I'm not sure about that.

                      There was a time frame to get this deal done and Masai didn't want to do it. When he traded for Kawhi he knew that it could be a 1 season rental. I know I would have traded for George and Russ, but Masai obviously has wanted to blow it up. The trade would have undone his hard work in setting up his cap, and I think he value's Siakam's rookie extension as a better build around than Kawhi/George/Russ. He worked so hard to get rid of DeRozen and I don't think he had the stomach to take back Russ.

                      If OKC really wanted to trade Russ or if Russ wanted out, I'm sure they could find a partner in a market starved for talent.


                      • #87
                        Originally posted by Banta View Post
                        Will league rules allow LAL to honor ADís trade bonus that he waived to free up cap space for Kawhi?
                        IIRC the trade is not official yet so they can still have him not waive the bonus once the league call is made for the trade to be official. With that said, I think he still waves it since the lakers need players


                        • #88
                          At the end of the day Kwahi gave Toronto a choice and they blew it, they needed to trade for another star and were incapable of pulling it off.
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                          • #89
                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                            You know something!? Did anyone think think that Kawahi was the type of "player" to secretly recruit players behind the scenes? After reading the articles, this just seems to be the most cutthroat free agent signing that I have ever seen, lol
                            Increasingly, yes it has been apparent that Kawhi is that type of player. Others include LeBron, AD and Kyrie Irving. Essentially, like many of the players of this era, they do not want the NBA or its individual franchises to have any control over where they play. This has more to do with control (from the player's perspective) than what they really want in terms of pay, location, etc.

                            So the result of this is a high cost to the league. People in OKC cannot expect to be able to build a franchise that has a chance to win a title because they have lost so many star players over the years. The haul they got is interesting but it takes star players in their prime to win titles and that's not what they have now. There is a similar impact to the Pacers. Our best success came through years of building the team (i.e. the Reggie era) through smart draft picks and a growing culture of support in Indianapolis. This took a number of years and in today's NBA you just don't have the time. Great players don't stay with their teams. Building teams is so yesterday now that I question if you need much strategy in the boardroom. It all boils down to where said star player(s) want to play and normally the moves screw one team and greatly benefit another one, essentially destroying fair competition.

                            This reduces the value of having a GM with a long term strategy. How do you attract said star player? It helps to be in California or perhaps said player's hometown (Cleveland). It has very little to do with how good your GM really is at making wise trades and picks.


                            • #90
                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              At the end of the day Kwahi gave Toronto a choice and they blew it, they needed to trade for another star and were incapable of pulling it off.
                              Kawhi absolutely was never going to stay in Toronto because he didn't choose to go there himself.

                              By the way, if you recall from his interview shortly after the title, Kawhi referred to the Raptors as "they". Very, very telling.
                              Last edited by BlueNGold; 07-06-2019, 10:51 AM.