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  • Infinite MAN_force
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    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
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    I dont understand why so much hate for him. Hes one of the smartest players in the team. Moves well without the ball. I don't understand the hate. He was brought in to provide some shooting off the bench as the 8th or 9th man on the team. I thought he filled the role pretty well.
    Welcome to Pacers Digest.

    I think he's a fringe rotation player for us this season due to the glut of wings we now have, If someone gets injured we will be glad to have him.

    I don't put too much energy into freaking out about the role of the 10th or 11th man, the team has pretty good depth if Mcdermott is third string.

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  • dal9
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    Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post

    He's not a screen shooter. He only shot 48% EFG% off screens. But he did shoot 60% EFG% off catch and shoot. He also shot 73% on drives to the basket and shot an excellent 64% at the rim on 128 attempts. The only thing he sucked at on offense was shooting off the dribble which everyone knows that's not his role anyway. He scored 1.423 points per possession on cuts which ranked in the 84th percentile. His overall points per possession was 1.146 which ranked #8 in the whole NBA for a player with at least 490 possessions and ranked in the 95th percentile of all players with no minutes restrictions. He was incredibly underused and with the players coming in, there seems to be a focus on 3 point shooting which Doug will fit right in.

    His defense is severely underrated for his role as a spot up shooter. He gave up only 0.889 PPP which ranked in 72nd percentile. He allowed only 0.877 PPP on all jumpshots (86th percentile) and 0.811 on jumpers off the dribble (78th percentile). He's not a lockdown defender but he doesn't have to be to be a valuable asset in his role.

    He led the Pacers in net PPP by adding an absurd surplus of 25.7 total points per 100 individual possessions. He's not a player at all you build an offense around (like any other specialist?).He feeds off of other players drawing in the defense. I imagine Domas is going to get a lot of assists to Doug out of the post next season because of this, if they play together. Holiday's drive and kick ability to find spot up shooters will also help Doug's offense when they play together. But if he's on the floor with a bunch of other shooters, his cutting ability allows him to still be a threat. He's a multifaceted offensive weapon who needs to be on a team that prioritizes 3 point shooting which should happen next season.
    one day i'm going to make a post like this and just completely make up all the numbers, and see if anyone catches me

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  • ksuttonjr76
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    Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post

    He's not a screen shooter. He only shot 48% EFG% off screens. But he did shoot 60% EFG% off catch and shoot. He also shot 73% on drives to the basket and shot an excellent 64% at the rim on 128 attempts. The only thing he sucked at on offense was shooting off the dribble which everyone knows that's not his role anyway. He scored 1.423 points per possession on cuts which ranked in the 84th percentile. His overall points per possession was 1.146 which ranked #8 in the whole NBA for a player with at least 490 possessions and ranked in the 95th percentile of all players with no minutes restrictions. He was incredibly underused and with the players coming in, there seems to be a focus on 3 point shooting which Doug will fit right in.

    His defense is severely underrated for his role as a spot up shooter. He gave up only 0.889 PPP which ranked in 72nd percentile. He allowed only 0.877 PPP on all jumpshots (86th percentile) and 0.811 on jumpers off the dribble (78th percentile). He's not a lockdown defender but he doesn't have to be to be a valuable asset in his role.

    He led the Pacers in net PPP by adding an absurd surplus of 25.7 total points per 100 individual possessions. He's not a player at all you build an offense around (like any other specialist?).He feeds off of other players drawing in the defense. I imagine Domas is going to get a lot of assists to Doug out of the post next season because of this, if they play together. Holiday's drive and kick ability to find spot up shooters will also help Doug's offense when they play together. But if he's on the floor with a bunch of other shooters, his cutting ability allows him to still be a threat. He's a multifaceted offensive weapon who needs to be on a team that prioritizes 3 point shooting which should happen next season.
    And posts like this is the whole reason why I stopped talking about him...advanced stats shows that he's a slow player, but perception says he's not.

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  • 90'sNBARocked
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    I seem to recall the douggie played a lot better when he was playing with sabonis and of course the bonuses great p&r and a great passer, and I'm hoping Gogi will be the same I expect him to have a much better year next year at least that's what I'm hoping for

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  • Taterhead
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    How can a guy not fit in an offense when hes so good at moving without the ball and shooting junpers? Because there isn't an offense in existence that doesnt utilize shooting and off ball movement. Blaming the offense is just an excuse.

    Maybe hes not any good at those things after all? Just because you see a guy do something occasionally, doesnt mean hes good at it.

    I lose 15 lbs every 3 months or so, but I'm far more of an expert on gaining weight.

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  • pizza guy
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    It all hinges on Nate. McDermott isn't going to go out and suddenly become the new Bojan. He's not a guy who can create his own shot. But he can absolutely knock down shots when he gets them. Brogdon should help. Having a lineup that's overall better shooting should help as well, just by creating a little more space, because you can't sag off Brogdon or Warren like you could CoJo and Thad.

    But the question that looms over the whole team is whether or not Nate McMillan will join this century and run an offense that fully utilizes the shooters available to him and gets up enough 3-pointers to have a chance in the 2019-2020 NBA.

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  • Ichi
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    Welllllp I'm pretty brain-dead today as is, so I will definitely take the blame haha

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  • Peck
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    Originally posted by Ichi View Post

    I don't see the logic here Mr. Peck. People complain about coaches' rotations all the time, and I believe it would be easy to find posts of yours being upset about some of Nate's rotations as well. Not that I remember any beef of yours in particular, just saying, we're on a message board and everyone complains about minutes for such and such at some point. It's the playoffs, and his shot wasn't falling. Bench players routinely get benched more when it's win or go home, and especially when you're having a cold (sub-zero) streak.
    A lot of people wanted Holiday to play more, myself included. Just because he didn't play much doesn't mean he isn't good.

    While Doug isn't the 8th best scorer in the NBA, it doesn't mean the numbers mean nothing.
    Well apparently my jokes are not translating to the written word in this thread.

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  • Ichi
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    Originally posted by Peck View Post

    Well hell, why didn't he just show these stats to Nate during the playoffs? Surely he wouldn't have been benched if Nate would have seen that he was 8th in the whole NBA for ppp.
    I don't see the logic here Mr. Peck. People complain about coaches' rotations all the time, and I believe it would be easy to find posts of yours being upset about some of Nate's rotations as well. Not that I remember any beef of yours in particular, just saying, we're on a message board and everyone complains about minutes for such and such at some point. It's the playoffs, and his shot wasn't falling. Bench players routinely get benched more when it's win or go home, and especially when you're having a cold (sub-zero) streak.
    A lot of people wanted Holiday to play more, myself included. Just because he didn't play much doesn't mean he isn't good.

    While Doug isn't the 8th best scorer in the NBA, it doesn't mean the numbers mean nothing.

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  • Ichi
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    I just want to thank Pacersalltheway. I feel I've been fighting in the dark about Doug, because I sincerely believe he was a good player for us last season, but never did any research to see what the numbers said. He is a really good cutter, not just decent imo. He is a great shooter, yes, great. Also, I don't see him as a bad defender. I don't see him as a good one, but he's pretty average, and I think he's a really good rotation guy off the bench. I think he has more to show us in the next couple years as well, and I hope he gels with the new guys.

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  • Peck
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    Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post

    He's not a screen shooter. He only shot 48% EFG% off screens. But he did shoot 60% EFG% off catch and shoot. He also shot 73% on drives to the basket and shot an excellent 64% at the rim on 128 attempts. The only thing he sucked at on offense was shooting off the dribble which everyone knows that's not his role anyway. He scored 1.423 points per possession on cuts which ranked in the 84th percentile. His overall points per possession was 1.146 which ranked #8 in the whole NBA for a player with at least 490 possessions and ranked in the 95th percentile of all players with no minutes restrictions. He was incredibly underused and with the players coming in, there seems to be a focus on 3 point shooting which Doug will fit right in.

    His defense is severely underrated for his role as a spot up shooter. He gave up only 0.889 PPP which ranked in 72nd percentile. He allowed only 0.877 PPP on all jumpshots (86th percentile) and 0.811 on jumpers off the dribble (78th percentile). He's not a lockdown defender but he doesn't have to be to be a valuable asset in his role.

    He led the Pacers in net PPP by adding an absurd surplus of 25.7 total points per 100 individual possessions. He's not a player at all you build an offense around (like any other specialist?).He feeds off of other players drawing in the defense. I imagine Domas is going to get a lot of assists to Doug out of the post next season because of this, if they play together. Holiday's drive and kick ability to find spot up shooters will also help Doug's offense when they play together. But if he's on the floor with a bunch of other shooters, his cutting ability allows him to still be a threat. He's a multifaceted offensive weapon who needs to be on a team that prioritizes 3 point shooting which should happen next season.
    Well hell, why didn't he just show these stats to Nate during the playoffs? Surely he wouldn't have been benched if Nate would have seen that he was 8th in the whole NBA for ppp.

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  • Peck
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    Originally posted by dal9 View Post

    uh, Steve Novak was also white...unless you know someone named Steve Nokak who is not white
    It was a joke.

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  • Pacersalltheway10
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    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Doug McDermott is a one and a half trick pony, period.

    He can hit a jump shot off of a screen when the ball is delivered to him at the right place and time. That is his one solid trick.

    His half trick is that if he has a good passer in the high post and the opponent has no rim protection and his defender gets caught napping he can drive to the basket and has deceptive leaping ability so he can finish at the rim on occasion. There are a lot of factors that have to work in his favor for this to work so I'm only giving him half credit.

    He is an atrocious defender, rebounder and really is only just good at passing (I guess that is at least something he's not bad at it).

    He is a dime a dozen specialist who is just not reliable. There is no reason on the planet that you ever design and offense around this guy.

    Think of him as the white Steve Nokak with less shooting ability.
    He's not a screen shooter. He only shot 48% EFG% off screens. But he did shoot 60% EFG% off catch and shoot. He also shot 73% on drives to the basket and shot an excellent 64% at the rim on 128 attempts. The only thing he sucked at on offense was shooting off the dribble which everyone knows that's not his role anyway. He scored 1.423 points per possession on cuts which ranked in the 84th percentile. His overall points per possession was 1.146 which ranked #8 in the whole NBA for a player with at least 490 possessions and ranked in the 95th percentile of all players with no minutes restrictions. He was incredibly underused and with the players coming in, there seems to be a focus on 3 point shooting which Doug will fit right in.

    His defense is severely underrated for his role as a spot up shooter. He gave up only 0.889 PPP which ranked in 72nd percentile. He allowed only 0.877 PPP on all jumpshots (86th percentile) and 0.811 on jumpers off the dribble (78th percentile). He's not a lockdown defender but he doesn't have to be to be a valuable asset in his role.

    He led the Pacers in net PPP by adding an absurd surplus of 25.7 total points per 100 individual possessions. He's not a player at all you build an offense around (like any other specialist?).He feeds off of other players drawing in the defense. I imagine Domas is going to get a lot of assists to Doug out of the post next season because of this, if they play together. Holiday's drive and kick ability to find spot up shooters will also help Doug's offense when they play together. But if he's on the floor with a bunch of other shooters, his cutting ability allows him to still be a threat. He's a multifaceted offensive weapon who needs to be on a team that prioritizes 3 point shooting which should happen next season.

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  • dal9
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    Originally posted by Peck View Post

    Think of him as the white Steve Nokak with less shooting ability.
    uh, Steve Novak was also white...unless you know someone named Steve Nokak who is not white

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  • bumpercar3
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    To me he’s a heat check dude who can find lanes to the basket. Seems like when he shoots he’s almost always either chucking, shooting a lay up, or open because we ran a set. So I think adding a few more plays for Doug will allow him to become our 3 point specialist. If there’s a 20 percent chance a dude can play similar to KK you go for it.

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