The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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First six hours of the free agent period is now in the books, some quick thoughts

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  • #76
    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
    Pacers thoughts first...

    1. Several of you guys owe Kevin Pritchard an apology. I won't hold my breath waiting to read them though because saying I'm wrong isn't what a darksider does. He did what many of you said he wouldn't do by targeting a Restricted FA, he got a good return for those acquired 2nd round picks, and he didn't sign and older player on the decline. He got a player who was a 1st team All-Rookie, Rookie of the Year, and a key player on a 60-win Bucks team. Brogdon's not Kyrie or Kemba but he's nearly half the cost and at least 3/4 the player as those two. He's a better shooter than they are and he's bigger as well. What a great grab from a guy that people were calling clueless just last week.

    2. I new the Pacers weren't going to sign Ricky Rubio. The rumored move just made no sense. KP has been all about signing guys that can shoot a high precentage and he made a point to say they needed more scorers in the postseason press conference. The Jazz were looking for an upgrade because he wasn't getting it done on the offensive end of the court and they were basically the Pacers of the west. Maybe they would've settled for rubio if they struck out on Brogdon or it was all just a bunch of misdirection. Donnie Walsh was rumored to leak a few false rumors in the past to throw other teams off of what he was really looking to do. Either way, I'm elated that Rubio will not be playing for the Pacers!

    3. Losing Thad, Bojan, and CoJo. I could see the writing on the wall for CoJo once KP how good Aaron Holiday was during the post-season press conference. Actually I could see it when Cojo struggled hitting shots over the last 30 or so games of the season (for the second season in-a-row). Glad he could land somewhere else and I'm relieved he's no longer on the team. He was in the way of Aaron Holiday.

    4. The Nets... I'm not sure it's going to work out they way they think it will but I don't blame them for trying. I'm not convinced that KD will return to his superstar form. He'll still be a 20 ppg scorer but I worry he's going to be in and out of the lineup a lot even a year after he is cleared. Achilles injuries tend to be career altering if not ending. Kyrie is the hands down best one-on-one player in the NBA. No has better handles and can break down a defense better. He's clutch too but basketball is a team sport and I don't know how well he can lead a team. He's much better as a #2 than as your team's best player. He's one of my favorite players to watch play though and he'll wow the crowds in Brooklyn multiple times a night.

    5. The Celtics made a great decision to get Kemba Walker. He seems like the perfect fit for a Brad Stevens team. He's like Shelvin Mack injected with super serum. Losing Horford and trading Baynes doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can understand not wanting to pay Horford but Baynes was on a team friendly deal and is the type of role player you want on the team. I don't know who they're planning to man the middle but he'd better good.

    6. The Sixers lost Jimmy Butler and JJ Redick. That seems really bad but I'm a huge Tobias Harris fan and I think he is a better fit for that team than Butler is. Getting Horford was good but are they really going to force Tobi to play the 3? That hasn't really worked out too well at any of his other stops. Who's their shooting guard? Some are saying the Sixers are the new favorites in the East but just like last season, I don't see it.

    7. Jimmy Butler to Miami has disaster written all over it depending on who they get back in trades. They're going to be bad next season.

    8. David Griffin is doing a fantastic job with the Pelicans so far. Why'd the Cavs fire him again? They got JJ Redick, Nicolo Melli, and Derrick Favors to play with the young guys. Good move to get some savvy vets to help keep the kids in line and show them how to be professionals.

    I really don't see any other exciting signings that are worth mentioning. So far, the Pacers and Nets are winning free agency.
    Apologize to KP? Pritchard owes the fans an apology for drafting TJ Leaf, Goga, and signing McDermott. KP had a good day, but this not not excuse these blunders.
    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel


    • #77
      Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post

      Apologize to KP? Pritchard owes the fans an apology for drafting TJ Leaf, Goga, and signing McDermott. KP had a good day, but this not not excuse these blunders.
      Oh ya, I feel sooo cheated by these moves, let's get the torches and pitchforks and go on a run! Get outta here, these are 1) not as bad as you think and 2) not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Top 4 team in the East, those 3 moves didn't "stop us" from going "all the way".
      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.


      • #78
        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post

        Apologize to KP? Pritchard owes the fans an apology for drafting TJ Leaf, Goga, and signing McDermott. KP had a good day, but this not not excuse these blunders.
        If you had just said TJ Leaf (who actually improved this season) and McDermott maybe you would’ve had a point. But throwing Goga in there is just foolishness.

        Goga hasn’t played a single game and no one drafted after him has out performed him. You don’t even have Summer League games to base your opinion on. You probably don’t watch a lot of college basketball or Euroleague so how are you such a great judge in players? Even the so called experts who make mock drafts for a living are wrong every year in their projections. Ben McLemore was supposed to be the next Klay Thompson if you believed the “experts”.

        People still owe him an apology for the childish stuff they were saying about him in the KP is clueless thread.


        • #79
          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

          I will give KP alot of credit here after criticizing so much in the past several weeks. I only wish he would have moved Doug's 7 million. That would have given the Pacers the ability to keep Bogey and sign Brodgon.

          I also think the Al Horford signing is viewed as an insurance policy for how often Embiid is injured during the season. He can slide over and play the 5 when needed. Philly views it as we cost of ourselves the finals because Embiid couldn't stay healthy in the post season.
          Props to you my friend!

          That point about Embiid is a good one too. I didn’t really look at it that way. Getting Josh Richardson was a nice move too. They do look to be a threat if they can piece together a decent bench.


          • #80
            Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

            Doug did not prevent the Pacers from signing Bogey, we could have matched the Utah deal with his early bird rights. It appears that the team did not value him highly enough to add a year and 20 million to the offer. He would have been the oldest player on the team by three full years. Possible that management did not see fit to, in their eyes, overpay a guy that didn’t fit the rest of the team.
            Bogey still had a 13 million cap hold? Many post last week about pacers only being able to afford Rubio at 15 million and Bogey at 18 million.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.


            • #81
              I love Bogey, but honestly, I think Lamb/Warren should be able to replace most of his production. I'm not too worried about the drop off there, I actually think Lamb could be a steal, he's improved each year he's been in the league.


              • #82
                Not impressed with his 3 point FG%


                • #83

                  Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

                  Bogey still had a 13 million cap hold? Many post last week about pacers only being able to afford Rubio at 15 million and Bogey at 18 million.
                  Need a capologist to double check, but I think we had about 20 mil to spend and Brogdon's 1st year cap hit is just a little under that. If we needed a couple more we could of dropped Sumner and Alize too, if I'm not mistaken.


                  • #84
                    KOQ is signing with Philly

                    Man that's to bad because I still think we need a deep bench guy and he seemed to accept his role here.

                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


                    • #85
                      Quick thought: there isn't a more versatile performer than Kevin Pritchard...
                      PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731


                      • #86
                        Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                        Quick thought: there isn't a more versatile performer than Kevin Pritchard...
                        You're an arteest.

                        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Peck View Post
                          KOQ is signing with Philly

                          Man that's to bad because I still think we need a deep bench guy and he seemed to accept his role here.
                          He should see some minutes when Embiid gets hurt or they are resting him. I thought this would be a great place for him to sign before Horford got there.


                          • #88
                            Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                            Need a capologist to double check, but I think we had about 20 mil to spend and Brogdon's 1st year cap hit is just a little under that. If we needed a couple more we could of dropped Sumner and Alize too, if I'm not mistaken.
                            The only real difference between our supposed offer (3/53) and the Jazz's ultimate offer (4/73) was an additional year of compensation.

                            When you have an early bird exception, you can compensate up to 175% of their previous last year's salary, and give annual 8% raises for up to a 4 year contract... so that equates to a first year compensation of 18,375,000 and a total compensation of 82.3 million over 4 years.

                            Bogie had a cap hold of 13m. We would have been able to go over the cap up to that 18.3m number and only appreciated a practical cap hit of 13 million.

                            The bottom line is: we likely didn't want to compensate for a fourth year, given Bogie's age.

                            Hope that helps.


                            • #89
                              Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                              Bogie had a cap hold of 13m. We would have been able to go over the cap up to that 18.3m number and only appreciated a practical cap hit of 13 million.
                              I'm not quite getting what you are saying here. We take the cap hit on the whole amount, we can just wait to do it until after we've signed FAs or taken in salary based on the $13M cap hold.

                              As soon as we sign him the whole amount is counted against the cap.

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


                              • #90
                                Originally posted by BillS View Post

                                You're an arteest.
                                Actually more of a Meetta...
                                PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731