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First six hours of the free agent period is now in the books, some quick thoughts

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  • #46
    Originally posted by docpaul View Post

    That last year or two of his contract is going to leave a mark on the Jazz. The guy is 30.

    Three year deal with a team option? OK. But heís going to regress in a year or two. Love Bogie, donít love the deal.


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    Thatís a reasonable take, but I tend to think his game will age well. Plus he has less mileage on him than his age would suggest considering he didnít come to the NBA until he was like 25.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
      So, same old same old?
      OK, who do you want to bench so we can tank for the 6th pick for the Bucks?
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Gremz View Post
        I don't mind us keeping Doug. He has a specific skill and a decent enough BB IQ. Hopefully after a full season here he'll be able to put both to use,
        No Doug's gotta go. He doesn't defend well at all, and on the offensive end he just doesn't do enough. We need to move him and Leaf and open up more space. We could then add Marcus Morris or Danny Green. Then use the room exception for a Trey Lyles or extend an offer sheet to Kelly Oubre Jr. Also here's an idea. If we open up the extra cap space and combined that with what we have now? That's around $16 mil in cap space. How about offering Boogie Cousins a two year deal? If not him, then Willy Cauley Stein or Nerlens Noel?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GizzyStardust View Post
          One thing that I haven't seen discussed much is the prospect of team chemistry next year. We've had such an amazing culture here (which I know some would say is overrated in the NBA) and losing Thad (especially), DC, CoJo, and even Bogie to an extent really removes a large part of that equation as well as their veteran leadership. I know Vic is, by all accounts, a big part of that as well, but he will still be out for a while. Probably fair to say that Domas and Myles are important contributors to the chemistry as well. Will just certainly be a different dynamic in that locker room and on the court next year.
          I agree about the chemistry. I really hate that we didn't sign Bogie. Loved to watch him play. I also feel we'll miss Collison. That being said I was surprised by the moves we've made this summer. Being the eternal optimist I think the season will go this way, First third of the season about .500. I expect it to pick up the 2nd third with us moving into a playoff position. By the middle of February or perhaps March, Vic should be back into the swing of things and we should move up to 4th or 5th. I fully expect to do well in the playoffs. As always time will tell.

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          • #50
            It really is nice to see the board in unison on these moves. It's weird.

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            • #51
              Doug ainít going nowhere folks deal with it. Iíd bet my house that most people in the organization, particularly in analytics, think much more highly of Doug than most here do. Theyíre not about to give him away.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                It really is nice to see the board in unison on these moves. It's weird.
                Some reason Vnz hates the Lamb move. 50% ainít bad for him though lol

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
                  I also feel we'll miss Collison.
                  somebody good at special fx should like trick him one night like: "This is God....Sign with the Pacers, 3 years, league min"

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                    Doug ainít going nowhere folks deal with it. Iíd bet my house that most people in the organization, particularly in analytics, think much more highly of Doug than most here do. Theyíre not about to give him away.
                    That makes no sense. You move him and Leaf and you open up enough space to sign Marcus Morris, Danny Green or Kelly Oubre.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by BillS View Post

                      OK, who do you want to bench so we can tank for the 6th pick for the Bucks?
                      I apologize. I should have green fonted my post. I should have been less "tongue in check" in my response. I am one of the few here in PD that recognizes that "tanking" and the approach that the Pacers have taken to "Win at all costs" is what this Front Office's MO. So, I'm Ok with the "Same old Same Old".
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                        Some reason Vnz hates the Lamb move. 50% ainít bad for him though lol
                        Don't hate it but don't love it either, I'm always afraid of players that had career years on s*** teams specially in Charlotte where somebody needed to score at some point.


                        And I for sure don't like it if the plan is for him to replace Bogdanovic, now Warren could be that guy but then again that is another guy (who I loved in Phoenix and was an steal) that was playing in a bad team as well.

                        I'm optimistic and cautious at the same time as I still think they need to make a couple of moves
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Grimp View Post

                          That makes no sense. You move him and Leaf and you open up enough space to sign Marcus Morris, Danny Green or Kelly Oubre.
                          Ainít happening man. I would bet a boatload of cash on it. Theyíre going to see what these guys can do.

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                          • #58
                            People who are evaluating changes in the East think that Pacers improved the most. I agree with that. Raptors already think that Pacers could be the biggest problem for them, but better they worry about themselves. Aging core and Kawhi is still not under contract with them.
                            For the past two seasons Pacers biggest problem was that they were not stacked. If some of Myles, Domas, Dipo was out - glaring problems everywhere. Not the case now.
                            Myself, I look at the Boston, they look good. Kemba is a bad, bad guy and now he has plenty of talent around him plus a very good coach. Still, regular season is long. If Pacers will start hot right from the gate, play eye pleasing game (I think they will) - chatter around the league will start. That should make life a little easier. For three seasons half of the fouls called on Domas were bs. Now, a starter on a very good team, with some impressive numbers - I hope he will get more respect from the refs. Raptors traded JV for Gasol and the refs let Marc to get away with a lot of stuff while JV would be immediately in foul problems with the same stuff.
                            I know, biggest concern is Dipo's knee. But after all his injuries maybe he will change his style a bit? There is no need to be a super hero and die under opponents basket for the glory of 2 points. When MJ came back to play basketball again, he lost some of his athleticism. But he developed deadly fade-away jumper.
                            It's so cool for me now. In the East I'm all in on Pacers, while in the West JV got a new life with Grizzlies. Last season, before Dipo's injury, I was in the difficult spot. Basketball culture wise I was on the Pacers side, but wanted JV to get a ring with Toronto. Now it's simple. I want Pacers to kick arse to EVERYBODY, and Memphis - miraculously make post-season in the West meat-grinder.
                            12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                            Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                              Ainít happening man. I would bet a boatload of cash on it. Theyíre going to see what these guys can do.
                              I think the FO saw what McDermott could do last season, and they aren't that impressed. I think they'd move him with so many better options out there.

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                              • #60
                                - Like the Brogdon move, surprised me. Everyone who freaked out when we loaded up on 2nd round picks --- that was why we grabbed them.
                                - Like the Lamb move, gives us a Dipo replacement until he's back, and then becomes a great bench option, he's really improved the last few years, he was clutch as hell last year, good player.
                                - I feel like the Warren move sorta forced their hand on Bojan. We basically traded Warren for Bojan. I think ultimately it'll pay off for us, but I think in the immediate-term we get set back slightly at that position. Warren younger and more athletic, but not as polished offensively as Bojan. Dan will get him to play some defense, especially if he could get Bojan to do so.
                                - Pacers are under-rated as usual, even by their own fans. They won 48 games last year and largely outplayed most of the "contenders" in the East even without their star player --- got rid of their older players and replaced them with some good young talent. Quietly I think Indy made savvy moves that made them remarkably younger, more attractive assets, and still remained a top 4 team for next year with plenty of cap flexibility. Was funny watching everyone jump off a cliff on here for the past few weeks.
                                - Everyone loving the Jazz, I'm sorta meh on it. I think they went for it this year, and I think they'll be a really good team this year, but I'm not sure it's enough to go all the way. Conley and Bogey, good players, expensive, and bound to decline sooner than later. Feel like they loaded up on the present and it just isn't quite good enough to get it done. They basically got better this year by getting quite a bit more expensive and older, and it's just a bit of a gamble.
                                - Everyone praising the Nets, again, I'm sorta meh on it. We all saw what Kyrie did to Boston, wasn't pretty. Durant is the same kinda weird/moody guy as Irving, and he's out at least a year, and likely won't be the same player when he does return. Same with Jordan, past his prime, and only getting older. I just don't see how that is all gonna work.
                                - Sixers... I like the JRich get.... Horford has been a rock for years.... good player..... but again, like Utah and Nets, he's making $27mill/year, and he's 33 years old. And I'm just not a massive Tobias Harris guy. Dude is making $30mill/year. Man, that is alot of money tied up in those two guys. They'll be a load this year, but I'm just not a massive fan of the decisions they make on the whole, I don't know how they got where they are. They've made some huge roster changes in the last year alone.
                                - Warriors... how do they do it? Although that move may not work like a lot of people think it may. But we'll see. Talking about flipping Russell, which makes sense.
                                - Freakin' Knicks. Why do we let them be a franchise.
                                - Bucks --- not entirely sure why they threw so much at Middleton, and then kept Lopez over Brogdon. Honestly not a huge fan of what they did. But they'll be a massive force because of Giannis, so whatever.
                                - Celtics --- loved what they did this off-season. They got rid of Kyrie the splinter; lost a bit of older bloat in Horford; grabbed a great guy and player in Kemba; picked up Romeo who I think is going to be a stud; and generally just sorta shored up the over-talented mess that they were last year. They seem to have a more focused roster now.
                                - Someone said if the Lakers don't land Kawhi, they F'd up, and I'm like, "Uh, they still have LeBron and AD, they'll be alright", lol...
                                - Heat - eh, incomplete. Butler is an enigma, but he looks right in a Heat uni.

                                Roster looks like:
                                1 - Brogdon/Holiday
                                2 - Dipo/Lamb/Sumner
                                3 - Warren/Buckets/Johnson
                                4 - Sabo/Leaf/Johnson
                                5 - Turner/Goga

                                I'm on-board. I think it all looks like a fun, competitive, athletic roster. Most are super young and so we'll be seeing some guys grow up, even Turner/Sabo. Our oldest guys are literally Dipo, Buckets, and Lamb, all 27. So this is officially Dipo's team now, he's the leader, whereas in the past folks would state that Thad or Collison rallied the troops, it's Dipo now.

                                Even intrigued by the 2nd team. A line-up of Holiday, Lamb, Buckets, Leaf, and Goga will have it's growing pains, but I think they'll be fun to watch. I do expect Sumner's minutes will trail off considerably when Dipo returns.
                                Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 07-01-2019, 01:56 PM.
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